sphinxsix Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 ..available now! https://metallica.com/ I'll be frank - I don't expect a lot from this album (and hope I'm wrong ) Link to comment
SpurrierSucks Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I think it's damn good. Track 12 is brutal! Mac Mini w/4TB external HD(minimserver)>NaimUniti 2b w/Naim Power-line>Scansonic MB 2.5>w/Naim NACA5 Speaker Cable Auralic Aries Mini>Dynaudio XEO 3 Link to comment
vibes Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Also available in (crushed) 96/24, but only direct from Metallica.com. Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 Also available in (crushed) 96/24, but only direct from Metallica.com.Crushed.? Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 The 24-96 DR is 5 - 6. How lovely Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 Just found it on youtube Link to comment
vibes Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Just got this from Metallica: Thank you for purchasing a high-resolution download of Hardwired…To Self-Destruct! It has come to our attention that many audiophiles are not pleased with the dynamic range of the 24-bit/96KHz digital download. Rather than continue selling a download that is not up to audiophile standards, we have decided to offer up an alternative. We have created new 24-bit/44.1KHz digital downloads from the Mastered for iTunes digital master which features a greater dynamic range than was previously available with the 24-bit/96KHz download. To download the 24-bit/44.1KHz version of Hardwired…To Self-Destruct, simply go back to the web receipt where you initially downloaded your files and download again. You can access that web receipt either in the download email that you received or by visiting your order history at metallica.com/me. I'm positively shocked by this, considering the band's lack of willingness to do anything about mastering complaints on previous albums. Downloading now.... Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Just got this from Metallica: Thank you for purchasing a high-resolution download of Hardwired…To Self-Destruct! It has come to our attention that many audiophiles are not pleased with the dynamic range of the 24-bit/96KHz digital download. Rather than continue selling a download that is not up to audiophile standards, we have decided to offer up an alternative. We have created new 24-bit/44.1KHz digital downloads from the Mastered for iTunes digital master which features a greater dynamic range than was previously available with the 24-bit/96KHz download. To download the 24-bit/44.1KHz version of Hardwired…To Self-Destruct, simply go back to the web receipt where you initially downloaded your files and download again. You can access that web receipt either in the download email that you received or by visiting your order history at metallica.com/me. I'm positively shocked by this, considering the band's lack of willingness to do anything about mastering complaints on previous albums. Downloading now.... Wow! This is a big deal. The band previously said crushed dynamic range was just how they made records now days and people had to deal with it. The fact that that they cared enough or thought there was enough money in releasing a better version is cool. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
wwaldmanfan Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Wow! This is a big deal. The band previously said crushed dynamic range was just how they made records now days and people had to deal with it. The fact that that they cared enough or thought there was enough money in releasing a better version is cool. Since today is Sunday, let's all PRAY that this sets a precendent for other musicians to follow suit. Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 They obviously aren't the first band to issue an 'audiophile' mastered version. For example: nine inch nails 1. Yes, I also hope the others will follow this. But: 2. Why not 24/96.? Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 They obviously aren't the first band to issue an 'audiophile' mastered version.For example: nine inch nails 1. Yes, I also hope the others will follow this. But: 2. Why not 24/96.? The NIN audiophile version was actually much worse than the regular version. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
vibes Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 The NIN audiophile version was actually much worse than the regular version. In what way? Link to comment
tallica1 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Wow! This is a big deal. The band previously said crushed dynamic range was just how they made records now days and people had to deal with it. The fact that that they cared enough or thought there was enough money in releasing a better version is cool. AWESOME!!! Thank you Chris. Looking forward to downloading later and critical listening. Stay Heavy! Steven Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Link to comment
vibes Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Here's some info about the new download: And here's the original download: Interestingly, the third disc, starting with "Lords of Summer", is still 96/24. No real change in dynamic range, but the peak levels on the new download are definitely an improvement--both the 44/24 and 96/24 files in the new download. Definitely perplexing as to why the entire album couldn't be 96/24. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 In what way? More dynamic range compression. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Sirius6B Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Here's some info about the new download: [ATTACH=CONFIG]30873[/ATTACH] And here's the original download: [ATTACH=CONFIG]30874[/ATTACH] Interestingly, the third disc, starting with "Lords of Summer", is still 96/24. No real change in dynamic range, but the peak levels on the new download are definitely an improvement--both the 44/24 and 96/24 files in the new download. Definitely perplexing as to why the entire album couldn't be 96/24. I would agree with you sir. Definitely an improvement but as to the new download not being fully 24/96 it's irksome. The fuzziness I heard during my first play through doesn't seem to be present which I also find to be a defect in a number of artists works and it drives me nuts. Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 The NIN audiophile version was actually much worse than the regular version. More dynamic range compression. I think you are wrong, Chris. DR comparison. The 'loud' 24bit master. The 'audiophile' 24bit master. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 I think you are wrong, Chris. DR comparison. [ATTACH=CONFIG]30877[/ATTACH] The 'loud' 24bit master. [ATTACH=CONFIG]30878[/ATTACH] The 'audiophile' 24bit master. [ATTACH=CONFIG]30879[/ATTACH] You're correct, I am wrong. The audiophile version is louder than the other version, but has 1 bit more dynamic range - Audiophile Mastered…NOT! | Real HD-Audio Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
tallica1 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 looking forward to the download latter BUT so this still sounds the best but disappointing? FLAC-HD (24-bit/44.1KHz) Link to comment
mkrzych Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I have decided to chime in for the discussion about newest Metallica album. To me it is hard to imagine that this kind of music could be expected up to audiophile standards, but so much compression applied to it making it disgusting and not necessary IMHO. Just take a look at the results! That's good that they responded and created another so called master from iTunes Master, blah, blah, blah, but this album was recorded digitally and so much compression was applied during the mastering process. Why creating something from not the master content, do not know and not buying it. Bad finger Metallica as for the Death Magnetic in the past! -- Krzysztof Maj http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/ "Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata Link to comment
PhilR Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Newest DR posting for the album. Looks like an absolute minimal difference between the "new" 44.1/24 version that is supposed to placate us audiophiles and the original 24/96 download. Clearly they have a much better mastering version for vinyl, why would they not simply use this for the audiophile digital version? I'd bet the vinyl sounds incredible with all that extra DR.. Synology DS1515+ > PS Audio P10 > Innuos Zenith Mk II running Roon Core > IsoRegen/LPS-1 > Lyngdorf TDAI 2170 > Tekton Double Impact Speakers Link to comment
mkrzych Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Newest DR posting for the album. Looks like an absolute minimal difference between the "new" 44.1/24 version that is supposed to placate us audiophiles and the original 24/96 download. Clearly they have a much better mastering version for vinyl, why would they not simply use this for the audiophile digital version? I'd bet the vinyl sounds incredible with all that extra DR.. [ATTACH=CONFIG]30907[/ATTACH] Hehe, so it seems that nowadays for new mass market releases vinyl is the way to go, even if done from the digital source - weird ;-) On the other hand, pressing quality may be also one of the factor to participate in the quality of the whole album and someone said on this forum, that vinyl releases usually have better DR values which are not so adequate - didn't really catch why? In this case looking at the values it's double! -- Krzysztof Maj http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/ "Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata Link to comment
mkrzych Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 BTW, it also seems that due to the fact of the better possible dynamic on vinyl - those are already sold out! -- Krzysztof Maj http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/ "Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hehe, so it seems that nowadays for new mass market releases vinyl is the way to go, even if done from the digital source - weird ;-) On the other hand, pressing quality may be also one of the factor to participate in the quality of the whole album and someone said on this forum, that vinyl releases usually have better DR values which are not so adequate - didn't really catch why? In this case looking at the values it's double! BTW, it also seems that due to the fact of the better possible dynamic on vinyl - those are already sold out! [ATTACH=CONFIG]30925[/ATTACH] Wow, what kind of crazy f'ed up digital world are we living in! The digitally made album must be put on analog vinyl and converted at home back to digital for the best sound quality. Frustrating. Metallica is very much a money making machine. I wish they'd sell the vinyl rip. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Even better, the master used to create the vinyl, but that must be a bridge to far. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
wwaldmanfan Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Wow, what kind of crazy f'ed up digital world are we living in! The digitally made album must be put on analog vinyl and converted at home back to digital for the best sound quality. Frustrating. Metallica is very much a money making machine. I wish they'd sell the vinyl rip. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Even better, the master used to create the vinyl, but that must be a bridge to far. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but this is the irony of this entire website. While we are all throwing money around chasing tiny, incremental improvements in our audio systems, the record companies continue to issue poorer and poorer masterings of the music we want to reproduce in our homes. It's ludicrous. Link to comment
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