AMR/iFi audio Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 So there we were, sipping the good stuff... Right, since it's getting more about alcohol than 'other things', may we present to you... micro iDSD Black Label The Black-series. Refined. [ATTACH=CONFIG]30558[/ATTACH] Black Label The original iDSD set a new benchmark for portable DAC/Headamps in the US$500 sector. Nothing came close to its sonics, flexibility and outright power. Nothing at least until the micro iDSD ‘Black Label.’ The evolution into the ‘Black Label’ covers these main areas: Satin black chassis with ‘burnt orange’ silk print Major parts changes to the very latest available 3D Holographic+® and XBass+® new implementation are very easy to discern Sonically, much smoother, more weight and with a full-bodied mid-range. The bass is deeper and cleaner. The Black Label is in every way, the ‘turbo charged’ version of the normally aspirated micro iDSD. Perhaps ‘Double Black’ is a more apt description because it is different on the outside as well as the inside. The matt and gloss black anodising is set against the ‘burnt orange’ silk print. While keeping in essence the same design philosophy, we re-engineered the micro iDSD after taking into consideration suggestions and integrating the most advanced and newest components available. Special Features · DAC digital signal and digital power sections upgraded · AMR Global Master Timing® femto-precision clock system upgraded for ‘super low’ phase-noise/jitter · Analogue signal and power sections revised · 3D+® performance-tuned / XBass+® performance-tuned · Latest Output stabilisation network offers less distortion Useful links: Tach talk - part 1: here Tech talk - part 2: here Tech talk - part 3: here Release info: here Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
craighartley Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 So there we were, sipping the good stuff... [ATTACH=CONFIG]30540[/ATTACH] Before anyone says anything, we'll clarify today! Stay tuned! clarify or clariFi ? Link to comment
Audio_ELF Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Nothing beats the good 'ol Black Label" Well nothing except Laphroig, Ardbeg, Tailsker ... you get the idea! :-) Eloise --- ...in my opinion / experience... While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing. And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism. keep your mind open... But mind your brain doesn't fall out. Link to comment
firedog Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Well nothing except Laphroig, Ardbeg, Tailsker ... you get the idea! :-) Single malts have distintive tastes. Some I like a lot, others not so much. A well done blend like Black Label is not as distinctive a taste, but to me is a more enjoyable drink than many single malts. Don't get me wrong, there are some single malts I like a lot, but I don't thing they are better than a good blended whiskey by definition. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Audio_ELF Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Single malts have distintive tastes. Some I like a lot, others not so much. A well done blend like Black Label is not as distinctive a taste, but to me is a more enjoyable drink than many single malts. Don't get me wrong, there are some single malts I like a lot, but I don't thing they are better than a good blended whiskey by definition. Thats because you're a philistine :-) (Meant in good humour of course as was my original comment ... but no, by definition a single malt isn't superior ... I just find them more interesting) Eloise --- ...in my opinion / experience... While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing. And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism. keep your mind open... But mind your brain doesn't fall out. Link to comment
semente Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Single malts have distintive tastes. Some I like a lot, others not so much. A well done blend like Black Label is not as distinctive a taste, but to me is a more enjoyable drink than many single malts. Don't get me wrong, there are some single malts I like a lot, but I don't thing they are better than a good blended whiskey by definition. I don't drink whisky, nor beer for that matter, but I have the same opinion regarding single grape variety red wine. R "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
mansr Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Well nothing except Laphroig, Ardbeg, Tailsker ... you get the idea! :-) I prefer them correctly spelled. :-) Link to comment
AMR/iFi audio Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 Right, since it's getting more about alcohol than 'other things', may we present to you... micro iDSD Black Label The Black-series. Refined. Black Label The original iDSD set a new benchmark for portable DAC/Headamps in the US$500 sector. Nothing came close to its sonics, flexibility and outright power. Nothing at least until the micro iDSD ‘Black Label.’ The evolution into the ‘Black Label’ covers these main areas: Satin black chassis with ‘burnt orange’ silk print Major parts changes to the very latest available 3D Holographic+® and XBass+® new implementation are very easy to discern Sonically, much smoother, more weight and with a full-bodied mid-range. The bass is deeper and cleaner. The Black Label is in every way, the ‘turbo charged’ version of the normally aspirated micro iDSD. Perhaps ‘Double Black’ is a more apt description because it is different on the outside as well as the inside. The matt and gloss black anodising is set against the ‘burnt orange’ silk print. While keeping in essence the same design philosophy, we re-engineered the micro iDSD after taking into consideration suggestions and integrating the most advanced and newest components available. Special Features · DAC digital signal and digital power sections upgraded · AMR Global Master Timing® femto-precision clock system upgraded for ‘super low’ phase-noise/jitter · Analogue signal and power sections revised · 3D+® performance-tuned / XBass+® performance-tuned · Latest Output stabilisation network offers less distortion There's more, but not today. Stay tuned, we'll deliver! Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
rafaelpernil Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Right, since it's getting more about alcohol than 'other things', may we present to you... micro iDSD Black Label The Black-series. Refined. [ATTACH=CONFIG]30558[/ATTACH] Black Label The original iDSD set a new benchmark for portable DAC/Headamps in the US$500 sector. Nothing came close to its sonics, flexibility and outright power. Nothing at least until the micro iDSD ‘Black Label.’ The evolution into the ‘Black Label’ covers these main areas: Satin black chassis with ‘burnt orange’ silk print Major parts changes to the very latest available 3D Holographic+® and XBass+® new implementation are very easy to discern Sonically, much smoother, more weight and with a full-bodied mid-range. The bass is deeper and cleaner. The Black Label is in every way, the ‘turbo charged’ version of the normally aspirated micro iDSD. Perhaps ‘Double Black’ is a more apt description because it is different on the outside as well as the inside. The matt and gloss black anodising is set against the ‘burnt orange’ silk print. While keeping in essence the same design philosophy, we re-engineered the micro iDSD after taking into consideration suggestions and integrating the most advanced and newest components available. Special Features · DAC digital signal and digital power sections upgraded · AMR Global Master Timing® femto-precision clock system upgraded for ‘super low’ phase-noise/jitter · Analogue signal and power sections revised · 3D+® performance-tuned / XBass+® performance-tuned · Latest Output stabilisation network offers less distortion There's more, but not today. Stay tuned, we'll deliver! WOW *jaw dropping*. Sincerely, I think your marketing department is making a great job. Different strategies for each product definitely catch people attention. I am eager to try it out to be honest. I wonder how much improvement it would make by its own over original micro iDSD+micro iUSB3.0 regarding its digital improvements. And how better is the improved analog section Link to comment
PorkChop Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 If there was a trade-in plan from the original version, I would gladly take advantage of it. Link to comment
jhwalker Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 So there we were, sipping the good stuff... [ATTACH=CONFIG]30540[/ATTACH] Before anyone says anything, we'll clarify today! Stay tuned! Of course, I am immediately intrigued by anything named after me . . . John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
jhwalker Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 If there was a trade-in plan from the original version, I would gladly take advantage of it. Yes - I have two of the originals, I'd gladly part with one or both for this bad boy. John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
Miska Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Looks like I need to grow my collection... Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
firedog Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 will be interested to hear how much better this sounds than the predecessor. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Lionelh2 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Interested to learn how much the quality of the analog output section has been improved. Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile PS Audio P5 Power Plant>HQ Player Mac Book Pro BootCamp Win10>NAA Mac Mini BootCamp Win 10>REGEN Green>REGEN Amber>IFI iDSD Micro>BHSE>Stax SR-009 Link to comment
YashN Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 So there we were, sipping the good stuff...[ATTACH=CONFIG]30540[/ATTACH] My father had a few bottles in his collection. His favourite was Royal Salute. I like Lagavulin and Laphroaig. Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
YashN Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 [ATTACH=CONFIG]30558[/ATTACH] Nice new looks! Can we expect such a redesign across all the iFi line? Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
AMR/iFi audio Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 Nice new looks! Can we expect such a redesign across all the iFi line? We can't confirm or deny anything at this time But what we have is this: Part 1. The Grand Tour The Digital Engine: DAC Power supply upgraded with iFi custom ultra-low noise Operationsverstärker OV2028 DAC reference voltage decoupling changed to Panasonic audio-grade ECPU film capacitors Digital power supplies upgraded with ultra-low impedance Panasonic OSCON capacitors GMT® Femto precision clock system power supply upgraded for super low phase-noise/jitter The Analogue section: Analogue section upgraded with iFi custom low noise FET input Operationsverstärker OV2627 Analogue power supplies upgraded with Ultra-low impedance Panasonic OSCON capacitors 3D+® performance-tuned XBass+® performance-tuned Re-designed Output Stabilisation network for less distortion For 3D+® & XBass+® we adjusted based on wide ranging customer feedback after a period of field testing different adjustments. 3D+® is deeper and wider, and more spacious. XBass+® is deeper and cleaner bass and is more audible. Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
mansr Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 DAC Power supply upgraded with iFi custom ultra-low noise Operationsverstärker OV2028 Do opamps sound better in German? GMT® Femto precision clock system power supply upgraded for super low phase-noise/jitter Does it work in non-GMT time zones? Link to comment
AMR/iFi audio Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 Do opamps sound better in German? We have more than a dash of German influence at the top. So can't be helped! Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
YashN Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 We have more than a dash of German influence at the top. Tonmeister Thorsten! Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
AMR/iFi audio Posted November 14, 2016 Author Share Posted November 14, 2016 Part 2. Exceptional parts quality With the original iDSD micro, iFi already pushed parts quality to a very high level. Yet after long-term testing and with new parts now available to us that were not available at the time of the original production version of the iDSD micro, we were able to wring meaningful improvements in sound quality by substituting specific parts with higher grade (and more expensive) alternatives. Specifically, with the upgrades applied we were able to produce a sound that is smoother sounding than the original, yet with increased level of detail and improved dynamics and slam. These are not ‘night and day’ differences but the difference is very discernible. To gain meaningful sonic improvements on a product like the iDSD micro was no small challenge. Sanyo OSCONs. Os-Cons are go. Os-Con's originally from Sanyo (now taken over by Panasonic) have been around for a good while. Among the larger value capacitors useful in power supplies, they hold a special place. In a ground breaking series on capacitor performance published in the late Nineties and early Noughties in Wireless World, Cyril Bateman showed they persistently outperformed all alternatives at high frequencies and were second in low-distortion only to Elna Silmic types. AMR CD-77 Digital Processor At AMR starting from the CD-77 Compact Disk Processor, we have a long history of using Os-Con's. After the Panasonic takeover, supply chains were changed and they became difficult to obtain. Testing alternatives offered by other manufacturers showed them to be dramatically inferior to the original Sanyo product and not much better then generic Electrolytic Capacitors. Further, originally Os-Con's were not available in the values/voltages/sizes needed for the relative miniature equipment in the iFi range. In recent times, the supply situation has improved and Panasonic has introduced a new range of ‘miniturised’ Os-Con's suited for iFi equipment. So despite their steep cost (around 10x that of common electrolytic capacitors) the micro iDSD Black Label is the first to start to feature them as an alternative where Elna Silmic capacitors cannot be accommodated; be it because of cost or size constraints, as they are physically much larger for the same capacitance and even more costly. Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
lmitche Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Great to see IFI continue to invest in this great product. SQ with HQplayer upsampling to DSD512 powered by the LPS1 is amazing. Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
AMR/iFi audio Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 Great to see IFI continue to invest in this great product. SQ with HQplayer upsampling to DSD512 powered by the LPS1 is amazing. Nice to 'hear' that Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
AMR/iFi audio Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 Part 3. Exceptional parts quality (cont’d) iFi/AMR ‘OV’ series stands for ‘Operationsverstärker’ (German for Operational Amplifier). iFi/AMR’s ‘OV’ range IC's use HCOFC copper lead-frames and 4N Gold bond-wire which is streets ahead of mainstream commercial chips that use inexpensive aluminum bond-wire and low-grade and low-cost copper in the lead-frames. It is seldom found because it requires custom packaging of chips from wafers and has a very high MOQ (30,000 pcs per part and purchase) to do. Therefore, the parts used in the micro iDSD BL are ‘above and beyond.’ Specifically the iFi OV2028 is a BJT input Dual OV with extremely low-noise, wide bandwidth and high slew rate. The iFi OV2627 is an FET input Dual OV with low noise, extremely wide bandwidth and very high slew rate. For further reading: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operationsverst%C3%A4rker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_amplifier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_bonding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_frame Our PowerStation is here: click me! Check out our Tidal MQA Set-up Guides below. Android (Renderer) MobileDesktop (Decoder) via USBDesktop (Decoder) via SPDIF Link to comment
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