Which gives most accurate rips, eac or cueripper

[thyristor44]

Hello

I have always used eac to rip cds to flac but recently tried cueripper and wondered which one gives the most accurate rips. cueripper seems to find older classical cds much better but is it as good as eac.

Thanks

thyristor44

[mrvco]

Accurate rips or accurate metadata retrieval? I use db Poweramp and I can only remember not finding a CD in the AccurateRip database once or twice (and they were pretty obscure discs, so it wouldn't surprise me if their results had never been uploaded). Occasionally I'll have to switch between different metadata sources or make some minor edits, but overall it's very solid.

[loop7]

I've had a few issues with db Poweramp regarding ripping completion. When I try them in XLD (secure) they tend to complete ripping. However, db Poweramp's database flexibility is second to none.

[17629v2]

EAC is as good as anything else but you need to make sure that its properly configured.

[sandyk]

EAC is as good as anything else but you need to make sure that its properly configured.

 

+1

[audiventory]

wondered which one gives the most accurate rips. cueripper seems to find older classical cds much better but is it as good as eac.

 

Check what ripper is more accurate possible by test CDs with exactly known binary audio content.

 

Testing several CDs give more exact result, than one CD.

 

You may:

- create several CDs from source WAVs,

- damage it (fatal errors should be for one or more track(s)),

- rip to WAV 16 bit/44 kHz and

- check number of error bytes into ripped WAVs (comparing source WAVs) by each ripper

 

Here more details What is the Best CD Ripper Software? How to Compare Audio CD Rippers

[sandyk]

Check what ripper is more accurate possible by test CDs with exactly known binary audio content.

 

Testing several CDs give more exact result, than one CD.

 

You may:

- create several CDs from source WAVs,

- damage it (fatal errors should be for one or more track(s)),

- rip to WAV 16 bit/44 kHz and

- check number of error bytes into ripped WAVs (comparing source WAVs) by each ripper

 

Here more details What is the Best CD Ripper Software? How to Compare Audio CD Rippers

 

You are assuming here that ALL accurate rips by different software MUST sound the same.

[audiventory]

You are assuming here that ALL accurate rips by different software MUST sound the same.

 

Hi Alex,

 

Theoretically, for single damaged test CD should be different number of errors for each ripper.

 

I suppose, "intact" CD's number errors must be zero for each riper with very high probability.

 

But "intact" term may have different degree. So we can't consider "intact" term as correct from technical point of view.

 

 

 

Number of errors may depend on processing algorithm of CD's data (audio + error markers) stream.

 

As rule, these algorithms are different for each ripper.

 

 

 

I want to take case "computer + one instance of CD-drive".

 

Here features that influence to error number:

 

1. Control C2 markers ability.

 

2. Recover damaged bytes ability.

 

3. Multiple reading of each sector of compact disk for more input data used in analysis.

There are different methods of avoiding buffering during multiple reading.

 

4. Settings of ripping method.

 

5. Used CD-drive model/instance:

Error number can be changed due difference in optical-mechanical part and C2 implementation.

 

We can check (in ripped files):

 

1. Number of damaged tracks per CD.

 

2. Total number damaged bytes per track.

 

3. Length (in bytes) before first error in track.

 

We may use these 3 parameters for estimation of quality of a CD rippers.

[sandyk]

audiventory

 

That's not in dispute.

Many members are paranoid about obtaining files without a single error, despite the fact that a couple of masked errors in a whole track will NOT alter how the track sounds. Even "Bit Perfect" rips by EAC and dBpoweramp may sound slightly different.

Some reporting that dBpoweramp is a little "fuller" sounding compared with EAC.

Many members will also agree that "Bit Perfect" software players can also sound a little different.

 

Regards

Alex

[audiventory]

Alex,

 

If we have several fatal (unrecoverable) errors per track we may fix it in a audio editor :-)

 

If we can't distinctly watch the errors into the editor, better way use this ripped file as is, in my opinion.

 

Best regards,

Yuri

[sandyk]

Alex,

 

If we have several fatal (unrecoverable) errors per track we may fix it in a audio editor :-)

 

If we can't watch it into the editor, better way use this ripped file as is, in my opinion.

Best regards,

Yuri

 

Yuri

Agreed. but the fun bit is locating the fatal errors to "paste" over them ,and hope that the checksums are then correct, which is highly unlikely to be the case !

It will make the track playable again though, if properly done.

People don't worry too much about glitches with vinyl rips, where they may have to paste over a small section, or use the "Pencil" tool on several occasions. It's no longer completely accurate as per the original, but still quite enjoyable, yet they often get paranoid about a couple of muted errors which they usually don't even notice, and wouldn't even be aware of if the "Great God Checksum" didn't tell them.

 

Regards

Alex

[audiventory]

Alex,

 

Check sum is too integrated feature. It say nothing about how seriously damaged CD.

 

About vinyl clicks - it's cool analogy! I never thought about this issue from such point of view before.

The clicks sometimes considered as sound advantage even (audio plugins with scratch effect) :-)

 

Best regards,

Yuri

[thyristor44]

EAC is as good as anything else but you need to make sure that its properly configured.

 

 

When I first installed eac it ran a test on my cd reader.

[thyristor44]

I havent tried db Poweramp as I think its not free so I probably will stick to eac or cueripper if there is not much between them.

It gets a bit too complex for me but thanks for the replies

thyristor44

[17629v2]

When I first installed eac it ran a test on my cd reader.

 

There's more to it than just that. Here's a link to a good setup guide. Don't be put off if it looks a bit complex. You only need to set EAC up one time. After that, its just as easy to use as dbPoweramp, or any of the others.

 

EAC Setup Guide | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo Discussion Forums

[thyristor44]

There's more to it than just that. Here's a link to a good setup guide. Don't be put off if it looks a bit complex. You only need to set EAC up one time. After that, its just as easy to use as dbPoweramp, or any of the others.

 

EAC Setup Guide | Audiokarma Home Audio Stereo Discussion Forums

Thanks 17629v2 I will try that and do it properly.

[blownsi]

I use Vortexbox but have used DBPoweramp, EAC, XLD and even gasp iTunes. If the disc is in good shape they all do fine. The difference comes in when you have a damaged disc, in that case I find EAC or XLD to be better.