witchdoctor Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 I am just getting into hirez. I downloaded dome 96/24 flac files and was not impressed. I have my sound card set to upsample to 192/24 PCM and feel whats the point if I already use upsampling. I noticed a slight degradation from the native version compared to my upsampled one. Am I missing something here? Link to comment
jazz01 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 you may take into consideration: on the one hand some tunes are simply bad mastered and whoever offers them is trying to make more money without investigating in proper remastering - and on the other hand even when they are well mastered you will need good/the right equipment to enjoy any difference. For me, hires music sounds often more engaging; however, if for any reason you don't hear a difference - and some people simply don't - I would not invest any further money but maybe give it a try sometimes in the future again Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 30, 2016 Author Share Posted September 30, 2016 you may take into consideration: on the one hand some tunes are simply bad mastered and whoever offers them is trying to make more money without investigating in proper remastering - and on the other hand even when they are well mastered you will need good/the right equipment to enjoy any difference. For me, hires music sounds often more engaging; however, if for any reason you don't hear a difference - and some people simply don't - I would not invest any further money but maybe give it a try sometimes in the future again Thanks, maybe I;ll try some DSD tracks next Link to comment
rayooo Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Your experience is exactly what I've experienced...although I my case I've been trying for several years now. I must say that yes, in a few cases I've found amazingly fantastic hirez recordings... but to this day, the majority of hirez recordings I purchase are just OK, some are terrible. As I suspect many did, I'd hoped for more... Clearly a poorly created recording is poor no matter what the delivery format is. Yea, I knew this then and now, but hope springs... Unfortunately today pretty much like it's always been, great recordings seem few and far between. ...at least in my opinion. Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 30, 2016 Author Share Posted September 30, 2016 Your experience is exactly what I've experienced...although I my case I've been trying for several years now.I must say that yes, in a few cases I've found amazingly fantastic hirez recordings... but to this day, the majority of hirez recordings I purchase are just OK, some are terrible. As I suspect many did, I'd hoped for more... Clearly a poorly created recording is poor no matter what the delivery format is. Yea, I knew this then and now, but hope springs... Unfortunately today pretty much like it's always been, great recordings seem few and far between. ...at least in my opinion. Thanks for posting this, let's me know it isn't just my experience. My soundcard upsamples to 192/24 so things already sound good to my ears with even redbook files after upsampling. Link to comment
mansr Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Your experience is exactly what I've experienced...although I my case I've been trying for several years now.I must say that yes, in a few cases I've found amazingly fantastic hirez recordings... but to this day, the majority of hirez recordings I purchase are just OK, some are terrible. As I suspect many did, I'd hoped for more... Clearly a poorly created recording is poor no matter what the delivery format is. Yea, I knew this then and now, but hope springs... Unfortunately today pretty much like it's always been, great recordings seem few and far between. ...at least in my opinion. I have many great recordings. Some of them are hi-res. Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Upsampling 16-44 to 24bit won't make it sound like 24bit. Upsampling makes sense (I use 24-384 upsampling DAC myself) but this is not how things work. I've written already on CA why I love hi-res sound ('What's the best upgrade path' post if I remember correctly) and I won't repeat myself but I know that some people don't appreciate sound characteristics of hi-res audio and may even prefer harsh, thin sound of 16-44 'cause that's what they are used to Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 30, 2016 Author Share Posted September 30, 2016 Upsampling 16-44 to 24bit won't make it sound like 24bit. Upsampling makes sense (I use 24-384 upsampling DAC myself) but this is not how things work. I've written already on CA why I love hi-res sound ('What's the best upgrade path' post if I remember correctly) and I won't repeat myself but I know that some people don't appreciate sound characteristics of hi-res audio and may even prefer harsh, thin sound of 16-44 'cause that's what they are used to This is very helpful, can you send a link of something I can buy via download to try? Link to comment
kumakuma Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 This is very helpful, can you send a link of something I can buy via download to try? Here are two great sources: Blue Coast Records | Exceptional Acoustic Recordings Sound Liaison Music Shop I also like Chesky's Binaural recordings a lot: Binaural+ | HDtracks - The World's Greatest-Sounding Music Downloads Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
kumakuma Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I have many great recordings. Some of them are hi-res. +1 The recording/remastering of the source material is much more important than the resolution in my experience. Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 This is very helpful, can you send a link of something I can buy via download to try?An amazing sounding stuff, you can check out one of their samplers for instance Stockfisch-Records: Gitarrenmusik + Pauler Acoustics: Masteringstudio I'm also a big fan of Analogue Productions remasters (but these are mainly SACDs and DSD files - make sure your software plays them before ordering) http://store.acousticsounds.com/index.cfm?get=results&searchtext=Analogue+Productions/ Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Ps. Sorry, I forgot (I love SACD/DSD) - Stockfisch is also SACD (DSD) format. The biggest choice of 24bit files, I believe: Homepage | HDtracks - The World's Greatest-Sounding Music Downloads Or check out the music/downloads threads on CA.. Link to comment
mansr Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I also like Chesky's Binaural recordings a lot: Binaural+ | HDtracks - The World's Greatest-Sounding Music Downloads Anything from Chesky is usually a safe bet if you like style of music. Doesn't have to be binaural. Their recordings of Christy Baron and Marta Gomez are among my favourites. Link to comment
kumakuma Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Anything from Chesky is usually a safe bet if you like style of music. Doesn't have to be binaural. Their recordings of Christy Baron and Marta Gomez are among my favourites. Great choices! I also like the albums that Clark Terry, Jimmy Cobb, Rebecca Pidgeon, and Valerie Joyce did for Chesky. Not much of a fan of David Chesky's own music though. Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 An amazing sounding stuff, you can check out one of their samplers for instance Stockfisch-Records: Gitarrenmusik + Pauler Acoustics: Masteringstudio I'm also a big fan of Analogue Productions remasters (but these are mainly SACDs and DSD files - make sure your software plays them before ordering) http://store.acousticsounds.com/index.cfm?get=results&searchtext=Analogue+Productions/ I am going to check out this week-end, thanks very much for posting. Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 Here are two great sources: Blue Coast Records | Exceptional Acoustic Recordings Sound Liaison Music Shop I also like Chesky's Binaural recordings a lot: Binaural+ | HDtracks - The World's Greatest-Sounding Music Downloads Great, I look forward to checking it out. Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 I am going to check out this week-end, thanks very much for posting.You are welcome! Link to comment
bmoura Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Thanks, maybe I'll try some DSD tracks next You can find a number of Free DSD Music Files to try out - up to DSD 256 Multichannel in some cases - at these web sites: NativeDSD Music https://members.nativedsd.com/ https://members.nativedsd.com/albums/just-listen-1-compilation https://justlisten.nativedsd.com/albums/mendelssohn-session DSD File - Opus 3 Records DSD File | Free DSD Download Blue Coast Music Free Downloads | Blue Coast Music Group Link to comment
mansr Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Some free sample tracks in various formats are available at http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 You can find a number of Free DSD Music Files to try out - up to DSD 256 Multichannel in some cases - at these web sites: NativeDSD Music https://members.nativedsd.com/ https://members.nativedsd.com/albums/just-listen-1-compilation https://justlisten.nativedsd.com/albums/mendelssohn-session DSD File - Opus 3 Records DSD File | Free DSD Download Blue Coast Music Free Downloads | Blue Coast Music Group Great, I'll post feedback as soon as I check them out, thanks Link to comment
Pat Case Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I often check intended purchases against the database at the following link. Particularly in relation to lossless and hi res recordings, the information here can help you sort out the good from the bad. Depending on what you are into, I find that these classical music sites (and others) are all good; Monteverdi, Hyperion, Presto Classical, Pentatone, Deutsche Grammophon, Linn, Reference Recordings, HIGHRESAUDIO, Analogue Productions, Harmonia Mundi etc. i don't want to get into any fights about it but, personally, I find that because their recording and mastering techniques are just so impeccable, CD recordings from Linn, Pentatone, Harmonia Mundi are indistinguishable from their downloadable hi res versions. Here's the link to the database where you can check the dynamic range of various albums. I think that dynamic range is only one criterion among others - including, of course, ones own ears. <http://dr.loudness-war.info/> Music Server(s): Aurender N100H, Digital to Analog Converter(s): Audio Research DAC 8, Digital to Digital Converter: Bryston BUC-1, Preamplifier: Ayre K-5xeMP, Amplifier(s): Ayre V-5xe, Loudspeakers: Revel Ultima Salon 2, Interconnects: Kimber PBJ, Cardas Clear, Bryston AES/EBU, Loudspeaker Cables: Kimber PR8, Miscellaneous: Oppo BDP 95 disk player, CJ Walker turntable Jelco SA-750D tone arm, Ortofon 2M black cartridge, Magnum Dynalab tuner, Dream System: I've got it!, Headphones: Sennheiser HD600, Grado PS500e, Headphone Amplifier(s):Graham Slee Novo Link to comment
bmoura Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I often check intended purchases against the database at the following link. <http://dr.loudness-war.info/> Don't forget the NativeDSD Database that has web links to 33 web sites that offer DSD Music http://nativedsd.com/database Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 Don't forget the NativeDSD Database that has web links to 33 web sites that offer DSD Music http://nativedsd.com/database Do you know how native DSD compared to upsampled DSD via HQPlayer? Link to comment
firedog Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Albums at Native DSD recorded in DSD tend to be smallish ensembles recorded live. The sound is much better than other material upsampled to DSD, but that is mostly do to the recording quality, and not the format. If you convert them with HQP to PCM, they still sound fantastic. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
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