sandyk Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Since I believe it's all BS, my expectation bias has already disqualified me. Your the guy who claims to hear this crap. Try listening without your bike helmet on ! How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I'm pretty sure that the "A" and "B" labels have no significance when it comes to directionality, hence the odds of getting all five tracks right is 1/32. Is AAAAB your final answer? Yes, with my clearest preference for track 2A Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I'm pretty sure that the "A" and "B" labels have no significance when it comes to directionality, hence the odds of getting all five tracks right is 1/32. Is AAAAB your final answer? What's YOUR final answer? Did you give up already? Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Since I believe it's all BS, my expectation bias has already disqualified me. Your the guy who claims to hear this crap. While I get the joke I actually believe it explains a lot. You agree your entire system was built using a bias, therfore it makes 0 sense for you to try and upgrade because your bias will prevent you from hearing a difference any way. You should put your entire system on Ebay and just listen to something that you can save money with. Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Am I the only one with enough guts to take this challenge? Come on members, I'm a newbie, you senior guys need to step up. There is nothing to fear, no worries, this is a judgement free zone:) Post your preferences. Remember, you only lose if you stop trying. Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 In another thread, mainly about Audioquest cables and the little arrows indicating the proper direction for the cable there was much back and forth as to whether it was audible which way a cable was oriented. Using some AQ Diamond interconnects I recorded 5 tracks. Each has an A and B version. One version of each follows the path of the cable as suggested by AQ. One version has the cable reversed. Which is which varies from track to track. I am not posting a poll as they seem to get little participation. However you can download the zip file below and it will open into a folder with all ten tracks. See if you can hear which direction is reversed. The odds of guessing right on all five is 1 out of 32. You don't have to listen to all of course. https://www.dropbox.com/s/k37iqsb4fnsoywo/AQ%20directional%20cable%20files.zip?dl=0 Now the bonus version just for Jud though anyone can listen. To overcome the limitations of echoic memory I took one track and made it mono. Duplicated the mono track left and right. Now at some point during the track cable direction in one of the two channels is reversed. Then at some point later it is reverted back to normal. See if you can hear when the reversals occur and for bonus points which channel it happened in. https://www.dropbox.com/s/9pezpo3ubejeaan/1%20J%20Mono.wav.zip?dl=0 I only did it for the 1st track (some Eric Clapton and John Mayall). If it is popular it could be done with some others. Have fun, and display your hearing acuity or admit lack there of. Either way enjoy. Now I know what you mean about surveys, everyone has an opinion until there is a chance to be proven wrong then suddenly they don't have an opinion anymore. No guts no glory right? Link to comment
plissken Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Is no one else going to step up and post their experience??? I've been through all five tracks and honestly would just be guessing. So here goes: 1a= with arrow 2a= with arrow 3b= with arrow 4b = with arrow 5a = with arrow Link to comment
Speedskater Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 That Diamond X3 cable in post #25 is one strange cable! What could it possibly be good for? Link to comment
sandyk Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Am I the only one with enough guts to take this challenge? Come on members, I'm a newbie, you senior guys need to step up. There is nothing to fear, no worries, this is a judgement free zone:) Post your preferences. Remember, you only lose if you stop trying. I have already stated that I agree with your choice of 2a. Currently there is a lawnmower being used in the backyard. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
plissken Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 My further empirical analysis leads me to predict no one getting 5 for 5 in this small of an N. Link to comment
kumakuma Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 What's YOUR final answer? Did you give up already? My final answer is that any differences between the tracks are so small that I'm not going to waste any time worrying about cable directionality. Cross another one off my list! More money to spend on music! Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I've been through all five tracks and honestly would just be guessing. So here goes: 1a= with arrow 2a= with arrow 3b= with arrow 4b = with arrow 5a = with arrow plissken, you stepped up, nice job:) Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 My final answer is that any differences between the tracks are so small that I'm not going to waste any time worrying about cable directionality. Cross another one off my list! More money to spend on music! This is fun, the tracks have music on them and they are all pretty good, you would like it. Link to comment
kumakuma Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 This is fun, the tracks have music on them and they are all pretty good, you would like it. I listened to them all several times. Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I have already stated that I agree with your choice of 2a. Currently there is a lawnmower being used in the backyard. Sandyk thank you, you also stepped up Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I listened to them all several times. OK, no preference is all good Link to comment
esldude Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 This is fun, the tracks have music on them and they are all pretty good, you would like it. I think I mentioned these in the other thread. Maybe you would like to see if you can hear the smartphone vs the original file. Or simply pick which of 5 dacs is your most favorite. I have threads on both topics. The polls have closed, but you can still download the files and not look at the end where I reveal the answers until you have made your choices. There is also the 8th generation copy vs the original. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
witchdoctor Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I think I mentioned these in the other thread. Maybe you would like to see if you can hear the smartphone vs the original file. Or simply pick which of 5 dacs is your most favorite. I have threads on both topics. The polls have closed, but you can still download the files and not look at the end where I reveal the answers until you have made your choices. There is also the 8th generation copy vs the original. Later, looking forward to seeing how this works out. Thanks again for posting. Link to comment
plissken Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 plissken, you stepped up, Why wouldn't I? its a well conceived evaluation. Link to comment
sandyk Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I've been through all five tracks and honestly would just be guessing. So here goes: 1a= with arrow 2a= with arrow 3b= with arrow 4b = with arrow 5a = with arrow My preferences are 1a, 2a, 3b, 4b (more relaxing), 5a WTF !!! I may be wrong with why I prefer the quoted versions due to my BP affecting my hearing, and I am not convinced that it is necessarily due to the direction of the cable as I explained earlier, but to post similar results to Plissken is something I never expected to happen. Perhaps I should have let Plissken listen to some of my comparison .wav files after all ? NAH !!! How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
17629v2 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Try listening without your bike helmet on ! Its not a bike helmet. Its a bathing helmet. Overprotective parents put them on their kids when they take a bath. Link to comment
esldude Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 Its not a bike helmet. Its a bathing helmet. Overprotective parents put them on their kids when they take a bath. So given the chance to grace us with your aural perceptions this is all you got? Have you listened to the files and have an opinion yet? That is what I am interested in for this thread. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Its not a bike helmet. Its a bathing helmet. Overprotective parents put them on their kids when they take a bath. So given the chance to grace us with your aural perceptions this is all you got? Did you really expect any better? LOL "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
semente Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Has anyone experimented with DAC placement? I mean, can a DAC sound different depending on whether it's been placed on the shelf above or below the amplifier? I ask this because I thought that perhaps gravity might help with conductivity, and this could be a good or a bad thing depending on the system... R "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
esldude Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 Has anyone experimented with DAC placement? I mean, can a DAC sound different depending on whether it's been placed on the shelf above or below the amplifier? I ask this because I thought that perhaps gravity might help with conductivity, and this could be a good or a bad thing depending on the system... R In this particular set of recordings the cables were dead level and horizontal from input to output so that gravity would have no effect. I am not kidding. Okay, kidding a little bit. The cable was horizontally level, but not because I gave any concern to gravity effects. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
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