One and a half Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 If DVD-R, CD-R can exist, why isn't there a SACD-R ? There are players that have a fault and play a burned DVD SACD, however they aren't audiophile quality Some SACD players can play burned DSF DVD, but the drama of the splitting tracks at zero crossing on a DSD file is tricky? The momentum of creating an ISO from an SACD using certain BD players is a good start, but how to create an SACD at home? I gather creating SACD is now only produced in the one factory, with long lead times. I know it takes Blue coasts records a few months +++ at least to ship an SACD from their own recordings. So if Blue Coast have trouble, us hobbyists are in the dirt? Maybe there's some enlightened and clever approach these days that someone would like to share in creating our own SACD? There should be no need to process the ISO for audio quality issues, since it's only data, so level matching should be need to be changed. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
jamesg11 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Well, my CA 650BD universal player is 'ok' sonics-wise. Haven't upgraded fw, so it'll still play burnt dvd sacd.isos - on a mac use the disc utility. macmini M1>ethernet / elgar iso tran(2.5kVa, .0005pfd)>consonance pw-3 boards>ghent ethernet(et linkway cat8 jssg360)>etherRegen(js-2)>ghent ethernet(et linkway cat8 jssg360) >ultraRendu (clones lpsu>lps1.2)>curious regen link>rme adi-2 dac(js-2)>cawsey cables>naquadria sp2 passive pre> 1.naquadria lucien mkII.5 power>elac fs249be + elac 4pi plus.2> 2.perreaux9000b(mods)>2x naquadria 12” passive subs. Link to comment
shpongle Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 hi creating sacd-r is very tricky.it tooks me one week to listen my first selfmade sacd-r! next Problem is to get all the Software you Need: dsdmerge philips pro tech: dst Encoder audio-converter super author weiss-saracon pcm-DSD converter when you can't find them in the net send me a pm. shpongle Gigabyte-GA-Z97 Sniper with separate usb-dac out,5v usb-power disabeld in Bios. i3 4130T(35 W)@800mhz,16gb ram@800mhz @1.25v. Cpu+Ram powered by Pico-160w+Voltcraft Lab.PSU. Cpu-Fan+Music Hdd with 2 separate LPsu. JLsounds Dac-Kit: USB-I2S XMOS-board+ AK4490 DAC+DVR603 FB+2 JLS LPSU. Player: wtfplay and Daphile Tubeamp: Lua 4040 C . LS: Chario Academy II. Conections/Filters: Reson DNM / Fisch Audio. Link to comment
mifamifa Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 A SACD-R can be created by Philips SuperAuthor software. I have successfully reauthored more than 100 SACDs. They can be played on Pioneer, Sony, Cambridge Audio, NAD, Denon, Marantz, older OPPO models and many other universal players. A short guide can be found here: http://digitalog.bestforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=273 It is in russian, but the screenshots are sufficient to understand the procedure. Link to comment
CatManDo Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I think the reason why so few people want to create an SACD-R is that there are lots of DSD-capable DACs on the market and players accepting DSD files, but few SACD players accepting SACD-R discs. So playing DSD files is easier than dealing with SACD-R discs. The main advantage of SACD-R IMHO is multichannel playback (using a Blu-ray/SACD player and a home theatre system, with HDMI connection), compared to playing hi-rez multichannel files on a PC connected to a home theatre system (via HDMI). For stereo, the PC > USB > DAC connection is the most convenient BTW, since it isn't mentioned in this thread, if you have an SACD ISO (downloaded or ripped by yourself), when you burn it to a DVD as a disc image (not as a file), the result is a SACD-R. So it's easy to test if your player accepts SACD-Rs. Claude Link to comment
One and a half Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 I think the reason why so few people want to create an SACD-R is that there are lots of DSD-capable DACs on the market and players accepting DSD files, but few SACD players accepting SACD-R discs. So playing DSD files is easier than dealing with SACD-R discs. The main advantage of SACD-R IMHO is multichannel playback (using a Blu-ray/SACD player and a home theatre system, with HDMI connection), compared to playing hi-rez multichannel files on a PC connected to a home theatre system (via HDMI). For stereo, the PC > USB > DAC connection is the most convenient BTW, since it isn't mentioned in this thread, if you have an SACD ISO (downloaded or ripped by yourself), when you burn it to a DVD as a disc image (not as a file), the result is a SACD-R. So it's easy to test if your player accepts SACD-Rs. I will definitely try to use the image to burn a DVD-R and see what happens. A high priority project! The separation of the dsfs mentioned previously and the click is the main reason to maintain the original iso. I think once an iso is reduced to dsf/dff, going back to an iso may not so easy? The idea of creating the iso is to preserve the ripped iso, in case the original is lost, suffers bit rot or other calamity. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
jamesg11 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 So, we're just looking to play a sacd-r on a player that will play such? - eg my Oppo won't play it, bur early CA 650 will. If so, on a mac, just use disc utilty to burn the sacd.iso to a dvd-r. Simples. How to Burn an .ISO File in OS X - Simple Help macmini M1>ethernet / elgar iso tran(2.5kVa, .0005pfd)>consonance pw-3 boards>ghent ethernet(et linkway cat8 jssg360)>etherRegen(js-2)>ghent ethernet(et linkway cat8 jssg360) >ultraRendu (clones lpsu>lps1.2)>curious regen link>rme adi-2 dac(js-2)>cawsey cables>naquadria sp2 passive pre> 1.naquadria lucien mkII.5 power>elac fs249be + elac 4pi plus.2> 2.perreaux9000b(mods)>2x naquadria 12” passive subs. Link to comment
likearollingstone Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 The main advantage of SACD-R IMHO is multichannel playback (using a Blu-ray/SACD player and a home theatre system, with HDMI connection), have to agree here..have been mostly using SACD mastering to convert DVD-A multi audio one of the downsides is that sacd-r are only single sided dvds Link to comment
likearollingstone Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 but how to create an SACD at home? I gather creating SACD is now only produced in the one factory, with long lead times. I know it takes Blue coasts records a few months +++ at least to ship an SACD from their own recordings. So if Blue Coast have trouble, us hobbyists are in the dirt? this was the appeal for sony..and what made it obsolete while they sound phenomenal, mastering is a major PIA if you can get the software mentioned a few replies down, it's a piece of cake and quick...but commercially, that software is $15K or more?! ridiculous the software is a bit kludgy, you need a lot of space, first the hires files need to be converted to dsd then they need to be merged when you author, the app creates a whole new iso (.dat) and at the same time creates a copy of the audio in the same directory (so you need 4X the space) Link to comment
mansr Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 this was the appeal for sony..and what made it obsolete while they sound phenomenal, mastering is a major PIA if you can get the software mentioned a few replies down, it's a piece of cake and quick...but commercially, that software is $15K or more?! ridiculous the software is a bit kludgy, you need a lot of space, first the hires files need to be converted to dsd then they need to be merged when you author, the app creates a whole new iso (.dat) and at the same time creates a copy of the audio in the same directory (so you need 4X the space) Even if you have all the software, you won't be able to make a disc. As someone mentioned, there's only one facility able to do so. A standard DVD burner can't do it for the same reason it can't read an SACD (pit modulation). A few players will accept burned discs, but most don't. Link to comment
likearollingstone Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Even if you have all the software, you won't be able to make a disc. As someone mentioned, there's only one facility able to do so. A standard DVD burner can't do it for the same reason it can't read an SACD (pit modulation). A few players will accept burned discs, but most don't. not too sure what you mean about not making a disc, i make them all the time you cannot make a commercial disc, this is what appealed to sony when they designed it (and a reason why it's a deadend) however, those "few" players that can accept these (i use a sony 380) are easy to find it's well worth the hassle as far as a standard dvd burner...i use it all the time with my sacd-rs, they can be backed up and ripped again (via foobar) Link to comment
mansr Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 not too sure what you mean about not making a disc, i make them all the time you cannot make a commercial disc, this is what appealed to sony when they designed it (and a reason why it's a deadend) however, those "few" players that can accept these (i use a sony 380) are easy to find it's well worth the hassle as far as a standard dvd burner...i use it all the time with my sacd-rs, they can be backed up and ripped again (via foobar) You can't make a disc that plays in any player. If you happen to have one that doesn't care, good for you. Just don't ever update the firmware on it. That accidental feature may well be gone if you do. Link to comment
likearollingstone Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Just don't ever update the firmware on it. That accidental feature may well be gone if you do. 100% not consumer friendly, but usually those are the most valued (like 3.55 FW ps3s) it's a great format ..i stumbled upon it and glad i did Link to comment
jamesg11 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 Yep, where we were from post #2 - just read carefully ... ie basic comprehension ... sacd-r is fine, but only on the odd player, & then leave the fw as is. macmini M1>ethernet / elgar iso tran(2.5kVa, .0005pfd)>consonance pw-3 boards>ghent ethernet(et linkway cat8 jssg360)>etherRegen(js-2)>ghent ethernet(et linkway cat8 jssg360) >ultraRendu (clones lpsu>lps1.2)>curious regen link>rme adi-2 dac(js-2)>cawsey cables>naquadria sp2 passive pre> 1.naquadria lucien mkII.5 power>elac fs249be + elac 4pi plus.2> 2.perreaux9000b(mods)>2x naquadria 12” passive subs. Link to comment
Triodehead Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Hello, I am new to this forum. First post here. I have a few SACD titles and a Sony SCD XB790 SACD player. I want to burn SACD-R, is it possible to play this in my Sony player or do I need a player in this compabiltiy list? https://github.com/sacd-ripper/sacd-ripper/wiki/A-list-of-SACD-R-compatible-players. I also want to get the software to test to burn a SACD-R, I have a Plextor DVD burner and a Pioneer Blue Ray burner in my computer. Dualboot Linux/Windows 10. Link to comment
CatManDo Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Your player Sony SCD XB790 is listed in the "not working" section of the compatibility list, so if the list is correct, you will not be able to use it to play SACD-R discs. Claude Link to comment
Triodehead Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Okey, so it is not possible to burn the special SACD watermark on a SACD-R disc? I need to upgrade my player anyway, it is not working with my SACD dics anymore. But it can read CD discs. Link to comment
ohnpark Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Hi Mifamifa, I tried to find Philips SuperAuthor software but no luck. Are you willing to share it? Link to comment
drieksje Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 hi mifamifa, i looked allover the web, but no luk(google interupt the finding of it) and Tor,pfffffffff, do you have it still(SuperAuthor) i would like it to give a tray, if you d'ont have it anntmore, d'ont mention...... kind regards: drieksje Link to comment
Lubi Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 I got my hands on Philips SuperAuthor, but when I try to Build the Disc Image I get the error "Cannot create DTCP file". Does anyone know how to fix this? Link to comment
Lizardboy Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Seems to be related to "Digital Transmission Content Protection." I saw something about using the "wizard" but I don;t have the software to try it. Can you tell me where you got it? I haven't been able to find it for sale or use anywhere. I can ussually figure out Link to comment
Lubi Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Not sure what I did wrong but it works now. I still sent you a link to the program as a private message. Link to comment
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