Best (reasonable) CD Ripping Practice

[YashN]

Another CD ripping thread in chaos caused by sandyk, pushing his own barrow, yet again.

 

Be grateful when you may learn something new.

[paul_riordan]

It seems that the audio cd collection ripping robots are discontinued one after one (?)

I would love to do automatic batch ripping with metadata tagging at a reasonable expense.....

 

I used an Acronova ripping robot and dbPoweramp to rip all of my CDs. I also used it to rip all my DVDs and Blu Rays - around 7000 discs in total. If you have enough discs to rip then the cost works out at pennies per disc...

 

Acronova Nimbie USB Plus NB21- BR Graff Digital Copiers - Media Duplicating Specialists

 

http://www.acronova.com/category/cd-dvd-publisher-ripper-pc-connected-autoloader.html

[One and a half]

Be grateful when you may learn something new.

 

What, from you Yashn?

 

Here's a bit of history for ya, Yashn....

 

I tried to listen, about 2-3 times on and off over the years, the different tracks that have the same checksum but sound different offered by SandyK. Guess what. As soon as you play the files back, anything can happen in the computer which can create differences in playback which are audible, these were were the days before Intona, Regen and the like. Being that it may I couldn't detect any differences between the samples. So that's why I don't take an interest in the topic that Sandyk keeps on preaching, like the man with sign board, "the end is nigh", it's the same message, and rudely presented.

 

As for learning something new, I do that everyday, from the radio, these pages, the newspapers, my job, there's all great information that's useful. I don't feel I get any valuable information from you, and I'm relieved it is so. I don't have to worry then and be blissfully ignorant of all your teachings. Now that's freedom of choice.

[ElviaCaprice]

I for one look forward to Chris's offer to test out these tracks. I'm sure he will document well the procedures taken. This should put this subject to rest. But why do I have a suspicion that Chris will never receive these tracks?

[sandyk]

I for one look forward to Chris's offer to test out these tracks. I'm sure he will document well the procedures taken. This should put this subject to rest. But why do I have a suspicion that Chris will never receive these tracks?

 

???

I read the reply from Chris as saying that he will read the report from Martin Colloms that I have since forwarded to him as a PM.

[Pepsican]

Which flac compression level do you prefer, Chris?

 

It may also not matter what compression you do. For example, MinimServer and Illustrate Agent offer the possibility to upsample and convert on the fly on the server. When you transport this over ethernet to your renderer, you have insulated the renderer from the increased CPU activity the conversion brings. So, you can store in FLAC and then actually render WAV.

[plissken]

Be grateful when you may learn something new.

 

I know when I offer to make anonymized tracks available that have identical MD5 hashes you and other proponents suddenly have somewhere else to be.

[The Computer Audiophile]

I for one look forward to Chris's offer to test out these tracks. I'm sure he will document well the procedures taken. This should put this subject to rest. But why do I have a suspicion that Chris will never receive these tracks?

 

???

I read the reply from Chris as saying that he will read the report from Martin Colloms that I have since forwarded to him as a PM.

I received an read the information from @sandyk

 

It was anecdotal stuff, suggesting track A sounded 15% better than track B and this track had better soundstage over that track.

 

Based on this, my opinion hasn't changed at all.

[plissken]

I received an read the information from @sandyk

 

It was anecdotal stuff, suggesting track A sounded 15% better than track B and this track had better soundstage over that track.

 

Based on this, my opinion hasn't changed at all.

 

Hi Chris,

 

Would you ever consider there be a point with some fundamental aspects of computer audio (such as same MD5 PCM files sounding different) require a put up (bias controlled listening test) or shut up?

 

That type of reasoning serves new members 0% and, IMO, subtracts from part of the mission of CA and why you endeavored to birth such a forum for computer audio reproduction.

 

In other words can opinion be dumped when we know mathematics trumps it?

[plissken]

I received an read the information from @sandyk

 

It was anecdotal stuff, suggesting track A sounded 15% better than track B and this track had better soundstage over that track.

 

Based on this, my opinion hasn't changed at all.

 

I thought he was sending you the layout on M.C.'s blind testing...

[mansr]

I thought he was sending you the layout on M.C.'s blind testing...

 

I assume he was sent the same email copies we've all received at some point.

[plissken]

I assume he was sent the same email copies we've all received at some point.

 

Why wouldn't he just start a dedicated thread and post it?

[mansr]

Why wouldn't he just start a dedicated thread and post it?

 

Because it would be ripped apart and soon forgotten. Hijacking every thread on a remotely related subject gives him fresh attention each time.

[sandyk]

Because it would be ripped apart and soon forgotten. Hijacking every thread on a remotely related subject gives him fresh attention each time.

 

You guys are something else.

The tracks were supplied on 2 different types of CD-R, MAM-A and a Supermarket variety. It's so easy for people like you to dismiss as bullshit, reports from a qualified E.E. ,Speaker Designer, HiFi reviewer and editor of magazines such as HiFi News and Record Review etc. with more than 30 years experience in the field, and also ignore the results of 6 separate Blind Tests simply because you are unable to find a technical explanation for the phenomena. Even when similar CD-Rs are made available for members with suitable equipment to try for themselves, you still don't want to know !

 

Just because Chris refuses to accept a word of what Martin reported with the comparison CD-Rs proves or verifies NOTHING !

All it shows is that when it suits people, they refuse to accept reports by magazine reviewers , even though they may have suitable technical qualifications and >30 years experience in the field.

You are also rejecting confirmation by other well qualified members of this forum, including the designer of one of the most respected DACs in the world ,which never got around to being reviewed in this forum.

It's interesting to note though, that Alfe who is far more qualified in this area than any of you will ever be, didn't brush aside my reports as BS, did quite a bit of further indepth research, posting tutorials as well, and even tried using a Linear PSU to power an internal Samsung MLC SSD, and reported improved Jitter measurements.

[ElviaCaprice]

SandyK, you have so often misquoted and attributed findings of other people, name dropping, that I have to say, I don't believe anything you say about this subject. The only way to help myself and members to change our opinions is to start a thread and make all materials available in your findings. Then we can make our own tests and findings. Till then it's all BS.

[The Computer Audiophile]

You guys are something else.

The tracks were supplied on 2 different types of CD-R, MAM-A and a Supermarket variety. It's so easy for people like you to dismiss as bullshit, reports from a qualified E.E. ,Speaker Designer, HiFi reviewer and editor of magazines such as HiFi News and Record Review etc. with more than 30 years experience in the field, and also ignore the results of 6 separate Blind Tests simply because you are unable to find a technical explanation for the phenomena. Even when similar CD-Rs are made available for members with suitable equipment to try for themselves, you still don't want to know !

 

Just because Chris refuses to accept a word of what Martin reported with the comparison CD-Rs proves or verifies NOTHING !

All it shows is that when it suits people, they refuse to accept reports by magazine reviewers , even though they may have suitable technical qualifications and >30 years experience in the field.

You are also rejecting confirmation by other well qualified members of this forum, including the designer of one of the most respected DACs in the world ,which never got around to being reviewed in this forum.

It's interesting to note though, that Alfe who is far more qualified in this area than any of you will ever be, didn't brush aside my reports as BS, did quite a bit of further indepth research, posting tutorials as well, and even tried using a Linear PSU to power an internal Samsung MLC SSD, and reported improved Jitter measurements.

It would actually suit me better if this were actually true and I believed it. This would drive crazy amounts of traffic. Nobody is denying this because it suits them well.

 

I don't see why you don't start a thread and publish all the information you have. You can anonymize if by removing names of people if they don't want to be identified. This is the only way anyone will possibly believe what's happening. Make it public. Plus, if there are imperfections in the testing method, you could get feedback on how to make it better. Thus, bolstering your points.

[kilroy]

You guys are something else.

The tracks were supplied on 2 different types of CD-R, MAM-A and a Supermarket variety. It's so easy for people like you to dismiss as bullshit, reports from a qualified E.E. ,Speaker Designer, HiFi reviewer and editor of magazines such as HiFi News and Record Review etc. with more than 30 years experience in the field, and also ignore the results of 6 separate Blind Tests simply because you are unable to find a technical explanation for the phenomena. Even when similar CD-Rs are made available for members with suitable equipment to try for themselves, you still don't want to know !

 

Just because Chris refuses to accept a word of what Martin reported with the comparison CD-Rs proves or verifies NOTHING !

All it shows is that when it suits people, they refuse to accept reports by magazine reviewers , even though they may have suitable technical qualifications and >30 years experience in the field.

You are also rejecting confirmation by other well qualified members of this forum, including the designer of one of the most respected DACs in the world ,which never got around to being reviewed in this forum.

It's interesting to note though, that Alfe who is far more qualified in this area than any of you will ever be, didn't brush aside my reports as BS, did quite a bit of further indepth research, posting tutorials as well, and even tried using a Linear PSU to power an internal Samsung MLC SSD, and reported improved Jitter measurements.

 

Waste of time and bandwidth. At this point whether your reports are true or false you've at a minimum lost your credibility.

Thanks for crapping on my thread.

 

To every other poster, thanks for all the great input.

[kumakuma]

It's interesting to note though, that Alfe who is far more qualified in this area than any of you will ever be, didn't brush aside my reports as BS, did quite a bit of further indepth research, posting tutorials as well, and even tried using a Linear PSU to power an internal Samsung MLC SSD, and reported improved Jitter measurements.

 

It is interesting that you continue to drop Alfe's name as someone who supports your ideas. I asked him directly on this forum if he believed your theories about bit identical files sounding different and he made it very clear that he didn't.

[sandyk]

It is interesting that you continue to drop Alfe's name as someone who supports your ideas. I asked him directly on this forum if he believed your theories about bit identical files sounding different and he made it very clear that he didn't.

 

As expected from you !

I have never claimed that Alfe supported my ideas. He has however taken my reports very seriously as evidenced by the indepth tutorials and explanations that he has provided for C.A. mnembers. He also took me seriously enough to actually try a Linear PSU to power an internal Samsung MLC SSD.

[The Computer Audiophile]

@sandyk - Why don't you make everything public?

[Sal1950]

Hi Chris,

 

Would you ever consider there be a point with some fundamental aspects of computer audio (such as same MD5 PCM files sounding different) require a put up (bias controlled listening test) or shut up?

 

That type of reasoning serves new members 0% and, IMO, subtracts from part of the mission of CA and why you endeavored to birth such a forum for computer audio reproduction.

 

In other words can opinion be dumped when we know mathematics trumps it?

 

Yes Chris please consider the good of both the older and newbie readership and use some form of moderation to control this mans takeover of every thread he can, hammering them with his same old BS.

[kumakuma]

I have never claimed that Alfe supported my ideas. He has however taken my reports very seriously as evidenced by the indepth tutorials and explanations that he has provided for C.A. mnembers. He also took me seriously enough to actually try a Linear PSU to power an internal Samsung MLC SSD.

 

If Alfe, who is, in your opinion, far more qualified in this area than any of us, doesn't support your ideas, why should we waste any of our time on them?

[mansr]

Any further shit stirring from you will be ignored.

 

If I had a penny for every time you made that promise...

[sandyk]

@sandyk - Why don't you make everything public?

 

Chris

I have posted a great deal more on this subject, as well as more recent findings in this area , in HFC Forum, which is unfortunately currently not accessible to non members due to being hacked recently by a foul mouthed group from the Snake Oil Forum.

Given the never ending attacks by a core group of members on almost everything I have to report, except perhaps in the PSU area in other parts of the forum, where my efforts are far more appreciated, I don't feel that this is the right forum to post further indepth material, as the same core group of members would make my life unbearable due to personal attacks of a type that would never be accepted in moderated forums.

It should also be obvious by now, due to 3 supportive posters in this thread alone, including from 2 non regular posters, that I am far from being the only forum member who doesn't agree that the checksums tell the whole story.

I would also ask again if you are able to explain how even a couple of minor errors in a ripped file, which results in a different checksum, can affect the sound of the whole track.

 

Alex

[The Computer Audiophile]

Chris

I have posted a great deal more on this subject, as well as more recent findings in this area , in HFC Forum, which is unfortunately currently not accessible to non members due to being hacked recently by a foul mouthed group from the Snake Oil Forum.

Given the never ending attacks by a core group of members on almost everything I have to report, except perhaps in the PSU area in other parts of the forum, where my efforts are far more appreciated, I don't feel that this is the right forum to post further indepth material, as the same core group of members would make my life unbearable due to personal attacks of a type that would never be accepted in moderated forums.

It should also be obvious by now, due to 3 supportive posters in this thread alone, including from 2 non regular posters, that I am far from being the only forum member who doesn't agree that the checksums tell the whole story.

I would also ask again if you are able to explain how even a couple of minor errors in a ripped file, which results in a different checksum, can affect the sound of the whole track.

 

Alex

I respect your opinion but have a couple things to say about it.

 

Withholding evidence because you don't want ridicule, even though you frequently post knowing you'll get ridiculed, is not going to make you look honest or good.

 

You know petsonal attacks aren't allowed at CA, yet you are the one launching personal attacks and using it as an excuse not to post something.

 

I don't believe a few errors in a track can affect an entire track. I wish I had evidence I could read in public.