Everything Matters

[sandyk]

LOL...O'SandyK, don't change a thing, your theories offer so much entertainment that your not even aware of it. It's OK, it really is

 

There is no need to go hunting/searching for someone who does all three things I mentioned because someone doing even one of them is all the madness I need to see. And in that case, there's no need to look any further than you as the perfect example

 

Maybe someday you will grasp the concept of data transmission and duplication and look back at your theories today and smile but I won't be holding my breath on that one.

 

You and your smart arse cohorts still don't get it!

I don't use a Linear PSU for internal SSDs, I don't use a Linear PSU for my internal BR Writer, and I don't have a NAS.

You are also attacking the many members who also use external linear PSUs such as the John Swenson designed JS2, HDPlex etc. for their Mac Minis and Servers.

John Swenson also knows far more in this area than you will ever know too!

 

However, Alfe from Paris who designed my internal writer, and knows much more about this area than you and your buddies will ever know, HAS tried a Linear PSU with an internal Samsung EVO MLC SSD and measured less Jitter when using the Linear PSU !

Furthermore, I am far from the only person other than M.C. who has heard and verified differences between .wav files with identical check sums. Just a few of these are , Cookie Marenco, Barry D, Windows X, audiophile neuroscience ( David), Peter St (XXHE and Phasure NOS DAC ) , Mani, Anthony (acg), Roch (elcorso) ,Geoff (Silverlight), Marcin from jPlay, John Kenny (DAC manufacturer) , Paul Pang, Dr. Zellig and Jay Clarson, Bib01 and his researchers from Italy etc.

 

BTW, for those with a better than average system including a very good CD player, esldude (Dennis) has a couple of copies of my comparison CDs to pass around to any suitably qualified U.S.A. members.

[cjf]

You are also attacking the many members who also use external linear PSUs such as the John Swenson designed JS2, HDPlex etc. for their Mac Minis and Servers.

John Swenson also knows far more in this area than you will ever know too!

 

Come on now, let's not twist what I wrote into oblivion. I've got no issue with powering ones server from a LPS, as I do this myself, but when you start powering individual computer components within said music server with an LPS than I raise a flag. I also raise a BS flag when you claim to hear a difference after copying a file from point A to B that has the same checksum on both ends and anyone who claims such nonsense is clearly inhaling smoke from both ends of the crack pipe.

 

In an effort to stay on topic with the OP's original intentions with this thread I will cast my vote that:

 

NO, everything doesn't matter

[sandyk]

Come on now, let's not twist what I wrote into oblivion. I've got no issue with powering ones server from a LPS, as I do this myself, but when you start powering individual computer components within said music server with an LPS than I raise a flag. I also raise a BS flag when you claim to hear a difference after copying a file from point A to B that has the same checksum on both ends and anyone who claims such nonsense is clearly inhaling smoke from both ends of the crack pipe.

 

In an effort to stay on topic with the OP's original intentions with this thread I will cast my vote that:

 

NO, everything doesn't matter

 

Who gives a stuff about a BS flag from a nobody like yourself ?

AGAIN, I will state that I do NOT power individual components inside a PC with a Linear PSU.

Has that sunk in yet ?

As I previously stated, many of those named are far better qualified in their respective areas than you will ever be.

[mansr]

Who gives a stuff about a BS flag from a nobody like yourself ?

 

As opposed to a nobody like you?

[skyline]

What I am saying is that most people aren't able to extract, save AND export the highest possible SQ from well recorded CDs due to the high level of internally generated RF/EMI as well as interaction through the PSU area .

 

Yes, I've pretty much moved to Tidal for this reason. Too much trouble trying to get the CD rip to sound anywhere near CD playback.

 

Now there's another problem with network noise with Tidal, but I think I know how to address that.

[17629v2]

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https://www.turtlewax.com/docs/default-source/2015-msds/mm12r-50094-0315-sds

[sandyk]

As opposed to a nobody like you?

 

Unlike you , I don't make any claims about qualifications in this area, which is why I get others who are suitably qualified to verify my reports.

Unlike you, I don't hide behind a cloak of anonymity either !

[YashN]

I've got no issue with powering ones server from a LPS, as I do this myself, but when you start powering individual computer components within said music server with an LPS than I raise a flag.

 

Then you still have yet to learn how RFI/EMI and power plane noises can greatly affect SQ and how they are rampant in a computer with an SMPS.

 

Just the switching of memory lines can greatly affect SQ.

 

John Swenson has written about this type of thing time and time again both here and elsewhere, e.g. his 3-part interview on Audiostream.

[YashN]

In SandyK's world, there are such a things as 0.25,0.50 & 0.75 values in the normal 1' & 0's scale the rest of the binary world follows

 

Nope, this is your false interpretation of the phenomena he is referring to.

 

However, there is such a thing as a noise profile in digital systems even when data transmission is bit-perfect, in the realm on audiophilia...

 

In addition, there is an asymmetry in how a digital 1 and a digital 0 in DDR RAM in represented and refreshed... among several other things where D/A and A/D processes occur within our digital systems although we use a shortcut between points in the system with the binary language.

[mansr]

Unlike you , I don't make any claims about qualifications in this area, which is why I get others who are suitably qualified to verify my reports.

Unlike you, I don't hide behind a cloak of anonymity either !

 

Where have I made any claims about qualifications? How am I hiding any more than you are?

[christopher3393]

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To which I would reply:

 

 

See what you've started?

 

Where have I made any claims about qualifications? How am I hiding any more than you are?

 

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And aren't we all?

 

We will never really know "what matters" until we have a full understanding of the listener's epigenetic potential:

 

 

Tweak the Listener!

[cjf]

Then you still have yet to learn how RFI/EMI and power plane noises can greatly affect SQ and how they are rampant in a computer with an SMPS.

 

Just the switching of memory lines can greatly affect SQ.

 

John Swenson has written about this type of thing time and time again both here and elsewhere, e.g. his 3-part interview on Audiostream.

 

Do tell...how using multiple PS would change any of that inherent behavior found at the board level of a computer? Do the traces on the board somehow now become shielded from each other with the use of multiple PS?

[cjf]

Nope, this is your false interpretation of the phenomena he is referring to.

 

However, there is such a thing as a noise profile in digital systems even when data transmission is bit-perfect, in the realm on audiophilia...

 

In addition, there is an asymmetry in how a digital 1 and a digital 0 in DDR RAM in represented and refreshed... among several other things where D/A and A/D processes occur within our digital systems although we use a shortcut between points in the system with the binary language.

 

Were talking about a music file and data at the block level. If a CRC Checksum is performed on said file before and after it is transmitted and the values match then the file is the same. Period! Any noise profile Voodo you speak of means nothing in terms of that file/files if the Checksum remains the same no matter how often you duplicate or copy it.

 

If a mastering studio uploads a finalized file to the distributor and the distributor stores that file on their equipment awaiting download by the consumer its anyones guess whether or not the studio and the distributor performed any type of checksum validation during their exchange to confirm what they are offering for sale as a downloadable album is EXACTLY what the studio sent them. The best we consumers can do is our own validation once we receive the file. And if were fully paranoid, we will do another validation after its copied to our own permanent storage medium. Thats the way this all works and unless you are willing and able to beg, borrow or steal the original storage medium used by the studio you live with and use what you get.

 

Its that simple, no need to introduce additional Voodo theories of how coping a file changes its sound via noise that was somehow baked into it while it sat on Harddrive A before it was copied to Harddrive B

[YashN]

Any noise profile Voodo you speak of means nothing in terms of that file/files if the Checksum remains the same no matter how often you duplicate or copy it.

 

Its that simple, no need to introduce additional Voodo theories of how coping a file changes its sound via noise that was somehow baked into it while it sat on Harddrive A before it was copied to Harddrive B

 

Nobody mentioned 'Voodo' apart from you here.

 

The probable mechanism by which this is caused has been described in this very same forum a few times already and involves a deep understanding of how a computer system works and how RFI/EMI and power plane noises can affect the SQ in an audiophile system.

 

Only a very ignorant person would evoke any 'Voodo' (your spelling is wrong by the way) or 'Magic'.

 

There's nothing magical in there nor mysterious despite you not understanding what could make it happen: it's all computer science and electrical engineering.

[YashN]

Do tell...how using multiple PS would change any of that inherent behavior found at the board level of a computer? Do the traces on the board somehow now become shielded from each other with the use of multiple PS?

 

It's not about the multiple PSUs, it's about Linear vs Switching and the noise caused by each.

[kumakuma]

Nobody mentioned 'Voodo' apart from you here.

 

The probable mechanism by which this is caused has been described in this very same forum a few times already and involves a deep understanding of how a computer system works and how RFI/EMI and power plane noises can affect the SQ in an audiophile system.

 

Only a very ignorant person would evoke any 'Voodo' (your spelling is wrong by the way) or 'Magic'.

 

There's nothing magical in there nor mysterious despite you not understanding what could make it happen: it's all computer science and electrical engineering.

 

Please explain how computer science and electrical engineering can explain what Alex is describing below. Remember most of the people he mentioned in his post received the comparison files on a CD or via the Internet.

 

Furthermore, I am far from the only person other than M.C. who has heard and verified differences between .wav files with identical check sums. Just a few of these are , Cookie Marenco, Barry D, Windows X, audiophile neuroscience ( David), Peter St (XXHE and Phasure NOS DAC ) , Mani, Anthony (acg), Roch (elcorso) ,Geoff (Silverlight), Marcin from jPlay, John Kenny (DAC manufacturer) , Paul Pang, Dr. Zellig and Jay Clarson, Bib01 and his researchers from Italy etc.

 

BTW, for those with a better than average system including a very good CD player, esldude (Dennis) has a couple of copies of my comparison CDs to pass around to any suitably qualified U.S.A. members.

[cjf]

Nobody mentioned 'Voodo' apart from you here.

 

The probable mechanism by which this is caused has been described in this very same forum a few times already and involves a deep understanding of how a computer system works and how RFI/EMI and power plane noises can affect the SQ in an audiophile system.

 

Only a very ignorant person would evoke any 'Voodo' (your spelling is wrong by the way) or 'Magic'.

 

There's nothing magical in there nor mysterious despite you not understanding what could make it happen: it's all computer science and electrical engineering.

 

Well your free to believe what you wish. I'm not convinced you understand what it is your arguing about. All I've heard from you and SandyK is He said, She said so it must be true. Sounds like a sheep mentality to me...Baaahh...Baaahh!

 

I've at least attempted to explain how this magic EMI/RFI issue you are so troubled by cant matter in terms of the music file in question. There is no getting around the fact that if the file is confirmed identical after being copied that it is just that, identical. Now if you want argue that it sounds different maybe you should look elsewhere as to why that may be the case but it ain’t the file, copy or duplication methods fault.

 

These theories are nothing more than misdirected/misguided blame being placed on the wrong culprit

[YashN]

I've at least attempted to explain how this magic EMI/RFI issue you are so troubled by cant matter in terms of the music file in question. There is no getting around the fact that if the file is confirmed identical after being copied that it is just that, identical. Now if you want argue that it sounds different maybe you should look elsewhere as to why that may be the case but it ain’t the file, copy or duplication methods fault.

 

These theories are nothing more than misdirected/misguided blame being placed on the wrong culprit

 

EMI/RFI is real.

 

When you're listening to music it's not like having a file sit idle. In fact, async USB transfer isn't at all like a file copy (which is the angle used by people who talk a lot but know little and focus on bit-perfection).

 

A good way not to be offended when someone is giving you more information for you to dig deeper to enable you to understand more is to just put your head in a hole in the sand, then you won't hear anything which cause you such big Cognitive Dissonance.

 

Ignorance is bliss.

[Middy]

We have had some good success shielding the INTONA in its plastic case. We having been annoying people asking for help and bugging the design engineers at work who make the next gen engine controllers for ROLLS-ROYCE jets.

A simple RFI faraday cage...soon some MU metal for some EMI field shaping fun.... But a few simple experiments have made me dig deep and gain a real appreciation of the knowledge and skill needed for electronics and its design. Just the formulas needed to choose the right ferrite bead for its application boggled my brain. Our simple trial and error shielding has the double blind data of Oooo it sounds different maybe better ?... You can see the level of debate over cables and power supplies and digital signal reclocking.

 

Engineer is such a poor term as a John Swenson image of an engineer tinkering with a multimeter. When the depth and specialisation needed for the smallest aspects of any design process beggers belief. No wonder people have information overload in this hobby wading through so much just to try and get good sound......

 

 

Sent from my SM-G900F using Computer Audiophile mobile app

[sandyk]

Engineer is such a poor term as a John Swenson image of an engineer tinkering with a multimeter. When the depth and specialisation needed for the smallest aspects of any design process beggers belief. No wonder people have information overload in this hobby wading through so much just to try and get good sound......

 

 

Members could do a lot worse than reading some of the indepth explanations given by highly experienced E.E. John Swenson in the Uptone sponsored area of the forum.

 

For example http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f27-uptone-audio-sponsored/mystery-revealed-uptone-audio-ultracap%99-linear-power-supply-1-a-28609/index20.html

See posts 478 and 498

[Middy]

It's the place I've learned the most from since I started this hobby.... Enough meat on the bones to make me think but not too much to confuse.

John's explanatory posts are enjoyable +1 from me and it's been fun watching the new super Caps advance to the point of pre orders from inception...

 

Sent from my SM-G900F using Computer Audiophile mobile app

[17629v2]

Members could do a lot worse than reading some of the indepth explanations given by highly experienced E.E. John Swenson in the Uptone sponsored area of the forum.

 

For example http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f27-uptone-audio-sponsored/mystery-revealed-uptone-audio-ultracap%99-linear-power-supply-1-a-28609/index20.html

See posts 478 and 498

 

Resources like that will never go over well in a place like this because he gets an automatic exclusion for working in the industry. It won't be 100% of course. For the people who like his work, his science will be good, and for others, his science will not be recognized as legit.

[sandyk]

Resources like that will never go over well in a place like this because he gets an automatic exclusion for working in the industry. It won't be 100% of course. For the people who like his work, his science will be good, and for others, his science will not be recognized as legit.

 

For the others, that's their loss !!!

 

A good way not to be offended when someone is giving you more information for you to dig deeper to enable you to understand more is to just put your head in a hole in the sand, then you won't hear anything which cause you such big Cognitive Dissonance.

 

Ignorance is bliss. - YashN

[mourip]

Oh boy! the cables are touching each other in that picture...

remove all the greatness recorded in that music...

 

so much money wasted for an error like that :-)

 

 

 

 

I just realized that those are wine corks! I can tell you from personal experience that the wine consumed in order to place those corks there helps audio enjoyment immensely.

[AnotherSpin]

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I just realized that those are wine corks! I can tell you from personal experience that the wine consumed in order to place those corks there helps audio enjoyment immensely.

I realized it from the very beginning, and I agree with you completely. However, from my experiments with raisers I know material influences the result. Cork seems to be not the best option (it will make the sound corky), also some modern wine producers use artificial plastic instead of natural cork. In fact, empty bottles in the same role will work better, imho. And it will give bohemian outlook to the whole scene.