The Computer Audiophile Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 View full article Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Rexp Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Interesting, I heard this DAC fed by the Bryston BDP-2 with USB stick and it sounded fatiguing. Do you think the microRendu hepled it much? Thanks! Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 Interesting, I heard this DAC fed by the Bryston BDP-2 with USB stick and it sounded fatiguing. Do you think the microRendu hepled it much? Thanks! Everything matters. I wasn't fatigued at anytime during the review process and I listened day after day for hours on end. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Rexp Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Everything matters. I wasn't fatigued at anytime during the review process and I listened day after day for hours on end. For those of us who dont have microrendus it would be great to hear how it sounds directly connected to your MBP. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 For those of us who dont have microrendus it would be great to hear how it sounds directly connected to your MBP. Zero fatigue heard with any of my sources. My overall impression of the BDA-3 is the same, no matter what source I used. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
earnmyturns Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 About the tracks mentioned in your review: the link you gave to "Relaxin' with the Miles Davis Quintet" is to the 192/24 version in HDtracks, but the version actually labeled as a Van Gelder remaster is the 44.1/24 one (which I have). Confusing (as usual with these old reissues, remasters, digital conversions). Which one did you listen to? Thanks! Link to comment
firedog Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Okay, I figure you won't answer this, but you also reviewed another Canadian DAC, the Simaudio 380D dsd. If you had to choose, would you buy that one or the Bryston? Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
One and a half Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 On the subject of galvanic isolation, both the website linked page and the manual don't offer any explanation or boast that it exists for the BDA-3, only the glossy brochure This is very nice, but a value in Volts would help to make an evaluation a little easier. For the life of me I wouldn't know what to do with one HDMI input, let alone four, but great for the HT. There are far more coax outputs on gear these days, and now more than ever easier to reclock and achieve quite a listenable output, so the two coax inputs are welcome, but more is preferred. For the moment, the BDA-3 has stiff competition, the T+A DAC8 DSD hot on its heels with DSD512, and a digital monitor out, perfect to accept a re-clocker, or alternatively the AOIP Dante/Focusrite solutions offer another dimension in isolation and an affordable price level. A holographic image from digital with so many links/interfaces in the chain, there's bound to be some loss. As you say, to achieve the same holographic image, the $'s really need to accelerate to reliably produce a sound in space, either in the DAC itself or outboard treatments, or both. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
Archimago Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 On the subject of galvanic isolation, both the website linked page and the manual don't offer any explanation or boast that it exists for the BDA-3, only the glossy brochure This is very nice, but a value in Volts would help to make an evaluation a little easier. For the life of me I wouldn't know what to do with one HDMI input, let alone four, but great for the HT. There are far more coax outputs on gear these days, and now more than ever easier to reclock and achieve quite a listenable output, so the two coax inputs are welcome, but more is preferred. For the moment, the BDA-3 has stiff competition, the T+A DAC8 DSD hot on its heels with DSD512, and a digital monitor out, perfect to accept a re-clocker, or alternatively the AOIP Dante/Focusrite solutions offer another dimension in isolation and an affordable price level. A holographic image from digital with so many links/interfaces in the chain, there's bound to be some loss. As you say, to achieve the same holographic image, the $'s really need to accelerate to reliably produce a sound in space, either in the DAC itself or outboard treatments, or both. Galvanic isolation: Are you noticing a problem with your USB or other electrically digitally connected gear? Can you find any objective reason that such a thing is a problem in your gear? Or is this a concern someone somewhere thought was a problem and being applied broadly? HDMI: Nothing wrong with this. It's a feature and I agree not everyone wants or needs this but for the price point, it's good to see Bryston expanding into much more sophisticated interfaces like this for those who might benefit. it does cost money to license HDMI technology and that's an expense Bryston has undertaken and adds value to this device. "A holographic image from digital with so many links/interfaces in the chain, there's bound to be some loss." - how can you say this? Nothing's a guarantee, least of all some kind of direct correlation between the number of interfaces and "$'s" that might be attached to the asking price. I guess I just don't understand the philosophy here when there's no evidence to suggest that many of these statements are based on reality. Archimago's Musings: A "more objective" take for the Rational Audiophile. Beyond mere fidelity, into immersion and realism. R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Just 2 remarks. 1. I'm slightly suprised the upsampling rates are quite low for a 3,5k DAC. 2. The Metallica.com 24bit downloads sound great, Chris! Link to comment
mrvco Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 It sounds like a great idea, but I'm struggling to come up w/ an application for dual USB inputs... maybe connecting a Crosley Executive USB turntable? I wouldn't mind seeing a stripped down version without the extra USB and HDMI inputs (2-4) for non-HT systems. -- My Audio System Link to comment
Bones13 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I got my BDA-3 at the end of February. Spectacular DAC, spectacular company and service. I also use their BIT-15 power unit. I had an issue with mine, talked with them about it, and RMA'd it. Of course it was perfect once at the factory. They then worked with me to find the XLR cable that had a short, causing the DAC to shut down. I tossed that cable, and they sent my DAC back. I had missed it significantly. If you have a man cave including video like I do, this is the media center for you. Run the cable box, streaming box and DVD player though the HDMI switcher on the BDA-3, and your good to go. With this stellar DAC decrypting the digital audio, you will be very happy. DVDa works great, I need to test SACD again. If I did not DIY Pass Labs based amps, and a planned Pre, I would be saving for their pre-amp BP26+PSU. [Home Digital] MSB Premier DAC > Modright LS300 > Atma-Sphere "Class D" Monoblocks > Daedalus Audio Muse Studio Speakers [Home Analog] Technics SL-1200G > Boulder 508 (Benz Glider SL) [Office] Laptop > Kitsune R2R lvl3 > Violectric V281 > Meze Liric / Meze Elite [Travel] Laptop/iPad -> Focal Bathys Link to comment
One and a half Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Galvanic isolation: Are you noticing a problem with your USB or other electrically digitally connected gear? Can you find any objective reason that such a thing is a problem in your gear? Or is this a concern someone somewhere thought was a problem and being applied broadly? HDMI: Nothing wrong with this. It's a feature and I agree not everyone wants or needs this but for the price point, it's good to see Bryston expanding into much more sophisticated interfaces like this for those who might benefit. it does cost money to license HDMI technology and that's an expense Bryston has undertaken and adds value to this device. "A holographic image from digital with so many links/interfaces in the chain, there's bound to be some loss." - how can you say this? Nothing's a guarantee, least of all some kind of direct correlation between the number of interfaces and "$'s" that might be attached to the asking price. I guess I just don't understand the philosophy here when there's no evidence to suggest that many of these statements are based on reality. Do I have to answer? You don't have my ears, go away. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
audiophile65 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Hi Chris, Please tell me which version of Van Morrison's Astral Weeks (24/96 or 24/192) from HDTracks did you listen to? Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 Hi Chris, Please tell me which version of Van Morrison's Astral Weeks (24/96 or 24/192) from HDTracks did you listen to? 24/96 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
audiophile65 Posted September 8, 2016 Share Posted September 8, 2016 24/96 24/96. Good, that's what I thought, since the 24/192 version would be overkill. Listened to a few samples of this album, and it sounds good to me. Link to comment
AlexMetalFi Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Chris, I'm late to the party but you should definitely check out the latest Megadeth record, , as well as a few of the glorious retro-thrash records that have come out in recent years such as this. Co-Founder/Chief Editor http://www.metal-fi.com Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 Chris, I'm late to the party but you should definitely check out the latest Megadeth record, , as well as a few of the glorious retro-thrash records that have come out in recent years such as this. Thanks Alex! Good metal recommendations are few and far between in this hobby! Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
AlexMetalFi Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Thanks Alex! Good metal recommendations are few and far between in this hobby! I'm just so happy that a piece of metal made it into an audiophile review. Btw, Metallica's latest is due out shortly as a double CD in high-res (check their official site for details). I'll be covering it.... *gulp* Co-Founder/Chief Editor http://www.metal-fi.com Link to comment
gmartan Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Interesting, I heard this DAC fed by the Bryston BDP-2 with USB stick and it sounded fatiguing. Do you think the microRendu hepled it much? Thanks! I had this DAC in the house for three days. I found it really fatiguing after only 20 minutes of listening. My gear: Roon > MacBook Pro > BDA-3 > McIntosh C2300 with Pvane tubes > Classe CA2200 > ML Summits. I also tried it with a Marantz AVP and Opera speakers. Same. My new Auralic Vega is fatigue free and amazing. I would have preferred the Bryston made in Canada. Link to comment
Fsonicsmith Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Take a look under the hood of this skinny-boxed enclosure (the single pic above gives a hint) and you will find very little in the way of electronics taking up real estate inside. Does that matter? All depends. Some minimalists will defend the approach on the basis of minimal signal paths. Others will decry the lack of beefy transformers and robust power supplies. I tend toward the latter camp. Particularly knowing the minimalist parts list is due to intensive use of IC's and PCB circuit boards. The proof is in the listening. IC's and PCB's measure just fine and tend to sound dry and uninvolving particularly in the context of DAC's-all this just being one man's humble opinion. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 30, 2016 Author Share Posted September 30, 2016 Take a look under the hood of this skinny-boxed enclosure (the single pic above gives a hint) and you will find very little in the way of electronics taking up real estate inside. Does that matter? All depends. Some minimalists will defend the approach on the basis of minimal signal paths. Others will decry the lack of beefy transformers and robust power supplies. I tend toward the latter camp. Particularly knowing the minimalist parts list is due to intensive use of IC's and PCB circuit boards. The proof is in the listening. IC's and PCB's measure just fine and tend to sound dry and uninvolving particularly in the context of DAC's-all this just being one man's humble opinion. Hi @Fsonicsmith - I definitely hear what you're saying, but one must not fall into the armchair engineer camp that can determine a product's worth based on a build of materials. Thanks for the honest opinion. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
semente Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Some minimalists will defend the approach on the basis of minimal signal paths. Others will decry the lack of beefy transformers and robust power supplies. I wouldn't have thought that the two were mutually exclusive, in fact I find both desirable. R "Science draws the wave, poetry fills it with water" Teixeira de Pascoaes HQPlayer Desktop / Mac mini → Intona 7054 → RME ADI-2 DAC FS (DSD256) Link to comment
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