SACD Ripping using an Oppo or Pioneer? Yes, it's true!

[MikeyFresh]

5 minutes ago, Graf_Orlok said:

German for convenience:

 

Wie verhält sich der Player mit USB-Stick? Öffnet sich das Laufwerk automatisch?

Nochmal kurz zusammen gefasst:

1. Firmware des Players aktuell? Bei mir lief es nicht mit der alten.
2. Ist der Schnellstart-Modus am Player an? Wenn ja:
   1. Player an den Strom hängen.
   2. Das "Waiting" am Display abwarten, wenn das Display wieder aus ist, ist er im Standby
   3. Den Stick anstecken
   4. Den Player einschalten
   5. Das Laufwerk sollte sich öffnen, die SACD einlegen
   6. Bei OFFENEN Laufwerk Gerät wieder ausschalten (Standby)
   7. An den Mac gehen.

With all due respect, that does not work for many of the rest of us, as this is an English-speaking forum.

 

There are only a couple of things left to check, but since I don't read German I don't know if they are mentioned above.

 

 

[MikeyFresh]

I just opened in Chrome to use Translate, the above in German is all correct but there a few other considerations including the OP was at least initially following the awake-server guide.

 

While that method works perfectly well, it isn't necessary and I prefer the sleep-server method, which is what @Graf_Orlokis describing, but they are two different things, so let's not get the OP confused here, chose one method or the other.

 

I would also like to confirm that on the Mac the sacd_extract file is defined as a Unix Executable. If it is described as a TestEdit document, that's one problem that needs resolving. @Locke65please advise if your sacd_extract file is a Unix Executable or not.

[Graf_Orlok]

Basicly I wrote the questions I was asked.

[Locke65]

@MikeyFresh

Concerning the sacd_extract file

If I get information ("cmd"I) on sacd_extract

• kind: TextEdit-document
• size: 352.550 byte
• no suffix
• not 100% sure as I don't remember where I found it - but might be: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8cunli3d3basmix/AAB8WYDe-AKMCGSWVpNpLIcua/AutoScript?dl=0&subfolder_nav_tracking=1 

@MikeyFresh

@Graf_Orlok

Concerning the method

for now I would like to focus on the "SACD Backup (Awake-Server Method)"

If I can't get it working - that's a different question.

 

@Graf_Orlok

Concerning your questions

• Firmware: not sure - I found "ESN: Sony-HAV12KL1108D66E0-LZVK00EJTU" (menu / configuration / system-configuration / system-information
  I also used "network-update" and the BDP-S590 answers: "already actual"
• quick-start-modus: on

Thanks for your help - and - I hope we get closer to a solution.

[MikeyFresh]

1 hour ago, Locke65 said:

kind: TextEdit-document

You need to make that a Unix executable.

 

Open Utilities ➞ Terminal and type the following command:

 

chmod +x

 

Followed by a single space. Then drag/drop the sacd_extract file onto the Terminal window, file path automatically populates. Press Enter.

 

Thats all, you can close Terminal, and the file should now be described as a Unix executable.

 

now point the GUI at this executable by means of the Browse button in the program field (overwrite what is currently in that field).

 

Do not overly concern yourself about some need to use the awake-server method, it is almost exactly the same as the step-server method, I was merely making the post that we need to not confuse the two.

 

Sleep-server is actually easier in that you are not required to be connected to any display, nor to toggle the stereo/MCH setting in the player's settings menu.

 

Instead, with the sleep-server method, once you have confirmed the player has Quick Start mode enabled in the on-screen displayed Settings menu, you can now shut of the display as it's no longer needed. From there you do the following:

 

Step 1: Power on the Sony Blu-ray Player, monitor the initial boot sequence via it's front panel display, when it goes dark, turn the unit ON

Step 2: Connect USB thumb drive / AutoScript runs / tray opens automatically / place SACD in tray but don't close it

Step 3: Press Power OFF / disc tray closes automatically / player goes to sleep / AutoScript gains root access control

Step 4: Wait while the LED display flashes OFF / When the display goes dark, Run the rip with one click

[MikeyFresh]

2 hours ago, Locke65 said:

Thanks for your help - and - I hope we get closer to a solution.

You are very close after you make sacd_extract executable.

 

The above will work, however if you insist on the awake-server method, the only difference is you close the disc tray normally with the open/close button (instead of Power OFF), then enter the player's Settings menu and toggle the Stereo/MCH setting.

 

It does not matter which one you start with or which one you settle on, the toggle has no actual bearing on the rip itself, it merely causes the player to allow the AutoScript to run, so you can start at Stereo and toggle to MCH, or vice versa, it does not matter which one, only that the toggle occurs and the AutoScript then runs. After toggling, you can Run the rip.

 

Sleep-server is easier, no monitor is required, no more Settings menu, just close the disc tray by Powering OFF, then watch the LED display flash OFF, and Run the rip when it goes dark.

[Locke65]

@MikeyFreshit works! Thanks so much

The "tip" to make the file "sacd_extract" executable was most helpful!

 

I would like to suggest to include this tip (make sacd_extract executable) into the "general" procedure - I guess Mac-Users are normally not aware of such an option.

 

@Graf_Orlok

@MikeyFresh

Thanks to the both of you for taking me tough this.

[Locke65]

I like to verify my procedure on handling sacd.iso files. 

 

The ISO file is generated with the iso2dsd software (OS X v1) by the sleep-server method. 

As far as I experienced the software iso2dsd features also the output into single tracks:

Output Mode: Sony DSF (as far as I understand a format for DSD). They play just fine!

 

My Question

• DSF is a format for DSD - is this correct?
• A DSD / DSF file has only one Channel Mode: Dual OR Multi
• If I want to keep dual and multi Channel versions I have to options:
  • keep the iso 
  • generate two extractions of the tracks from the iso (one multi / one dual) - than discard iso
• I'm using JRiver as my music-server-software. As far as I understand the sacd.iso can be handled by JRiver directly (https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DSD) - JRiver can distinguish between different tracks within the sacd.iso. Even JRemote (iOS-app to connect with iPhone / iPad to JRiver) can play sacd.iso! 
  • The only disadvantage of using the sacd.iso: the bad handling of Metadata for sacd.iso compared to DSF-files is this correct?
• I would appreciate if someone would have an idea how to stream & play hires (DSD) directly on my iPhone - but maybe that's asking for to the impossible?

 

Thanks for your help!

 

setting

BDP-S590

MacOS

JRiver27

[Kal Rubinson]

1.  Yes.

2. Yes.

3. Yes but there's no need to discard the ISO.  I keep my ISOs as a backup (but not the only one).

4. Generally, yes, but not the only one.  I find that album/palyback management is more discrete with the DSFs.  

5. I have no idea.

 

 

[MikeyFresh]

2 hours ago, Locke65 said:

I would appreciate if someone would have an idea how to stream & play hires (DSD) directly on my iPhone - but maybe that's asking for to the impossible?

Only with a proper playback app (eg. Onkyo HF Player), and a DSD capable external DAC connected by the proper Lightning cable or camera adapter (CCK), which depends on the exact model/version of iPhone.

[captainbrent]

Another IOS app is Kaiser Tone - HiRes Audio Player

[chichaz]

On 2/19/2021 at 9:56 AM, Locke65 said:

 

• The only disadvantage of using the sacd.iso: the bad handling of Metadata for sacd.iso compared to DSF-files is this correct?

Yes, and MP3 tag editor works on DSF files, so you can add or modify artwork, etc. This software is actually German so the link is to the German language site, but English is also an option. 

 

[Darryl R]

After about 4 years my Pioneer BDP-80FD just died.  Any other budget machines available these days?

[MikeyFresh]

1 hour ago, Darryl R said:

After about 4 years my Pioneer BDP-80FD just died.  Any other budget machines available these days?

That all depends on your definition of "budget", and what is available at any given moment at auction or in classifieds, as there are likely no more new in box compatible players like there were when you bought the BDP-80FD.

 

Many of the compatible Sony models can be found relatively cheap on the used market, but again, this all depends on your definition of cheap.

 

I won a Denon DBT-3313 at auction for $150, and while some may not consider that "cheap", it is definitely cheap relative to the original retail price of that unit which I believe was $1,299.

[Darryl R]

56 minutes ago, MikeyFresh said:

That all depends on your definition of "budget", and what is available at any given moment at auction or in classifieds, as there are likely no more new in box compatible players like there were when you bought the BDP-80FD.

 

Many of the compatible Sony models can be found relatively cheap on the used market, but again, this all depends on your definition of cheap.

 

I won a Denon DBT-3313 at auction for $150, and while some may not consider that "cheap", it is definitely cheap relative to the original retail price of that unit which I believe was $1,299.

 

Thanks.  Back in 2017 there were the Oppo's and more expensive Pioneers, and then the budget Pioneer BDP-170/80FD, according to Ted's original post.  A quick search reveals you found out about the Denons about a year ago.  Good for you.  I was curious about new findings as much as cost.  I suppose I'll scan the thread for a list of units when I have time later.

[stereo hifi]

I can highly recommend the Sony BDP-BX59 (or equivalent/similar). It has worked perfectly, and it has a flat top, rather that the odd pyramidal top of some of the other Sonys. It allows it to be stacked. They are still available.

[Mahler and Bach on Computer]

I have been using an Oppo 103 dedicated for this purpose for years.  I am worried if it were dead I have nothing to use to rip the new discs I am still buying.  I wonder if anyone can kindly pinpoint the list of the players can be used for this purpose.  

[stereo hifi]

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[SalR406]

1 hour ago, Mahler and Bach on Computer said:

I wonder if anyone can kindly pinpoint the list of the players can be used for this purpose.

 

I saw this graphic somewhere, probably on the thread over on HiFi Haven. It offers a nice summary...

 

[Mahler and Bach on Computer]

57 minutes ago, stereo hifi said:

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Thank you.  I did checked the link before I posted here.  The link, however, appears to be incomplete -only mentioned a couple of models. Of course, still helpful.  

[Mahler and Bach on Computer]

57 minutes ago, SalR406 said:

 

I saw this graphic somewhere, probably on the thread over on HiFi Haven. It offers a nice summary...

 

Thank you very much, @SalR406.  This is very helpful.  Have saved it.

[captainbrent]

27 minutes ago, Mahler and Bach on Computer said:

Thank you.  I did checked the link before I posted here.  The link, however, appears to be incomplete -only mentioned a couple of models. Of course, still helpful.  

 

19 separate models is just "a couple of models"? Did you look at the right link?

[Mahler and Bach on Computer]

Very likely I looked at the wrong link.  

[Redbeemer]

5 hours ago, Mahler and Bach on Computer said:

I have been using an Oppo 103 dedicated for this purpose for years.  I am worried if it were dead I have nothing to use to rip the new discs I am still buying.  I wonder if anyone can kindly pinpoint the list of the players can be used for this purpose.  

Although the other members have been very helpful in showing you other players which can perform the SACD ripping, I thought I would mention that Oppo Support/Service is still providing both warranty and non-warranty service on all Oppo players.  I sent my 93 back for repair and paid a flat $75, including return shipping for the repair.  They installed a complete new optical drive in my unit and my unit was returned very quickly to me (turns out the Oppo was fine, but they installed the new optical drive anyway since I had already paid to ship it to them; my bad, I didn't check my hdmi cable).  So if your Oppo dies in the near future, you can probably get it put back to "factory fresh" condition for a nominal fee.  Of course, I have no idea how long Oppo will continue to provide service since they no longer sell any new products.

[captainbrent]

38 minutes ago, Mahler and Bach on Computer said:

Very likely I looked at the wrong link.  

 

Ok, well, I will point out that at the link that you circled, there is a list with 7 manufacturers and 19 different models!

 

Anyway, you should have plenty of choices to choose from, between the two. 👍