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18 minutes ago, greynolds said:

The goal of this thread is to remove the apples from the tree.  Once you've done that, you can decide what to do with the apples.  You can simply eat them as apples (ISO playback) or you can use them to make apple pie (convert to individual DSD files or convert to FLAC).  What you do with the apples once you've picked them off the tree is largely off topic in this thread.

Au Contraire mon ami, this was about @Sidemounter's goal to convert SACD to flac "I need to end up with FLAC" If you don't know whether there is a path and if that path is possible for you to accomplish, you may be setting off on a journey that you can't complete.

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4 minutes ago, BluRay444 said:

Au Contraire mon ami, this was about @Sidemounter's goal to convert SACD to flac "I need to end up with FLAC"

 

I guess @Sidemounter's goal isn't completely aligned with this thread goal  and raison d'être (oh, more French!) :D

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54 minutes ago, BluRay444 said:

Au Contraire mon ami, this was about @Sidemounter's goal to convert SACD to flac "I need to end up with FLAC" If you don't know whether there is a path and if that path is possible for you to accomplish, you may be setting off on a journey that you can't complete.

Are you just here to argue with people?  This thread is about getting the content off the physical disc.  There are LOTS of other threads that discuss how to convert between file formats.  So split your goals into sub-tasks:

 

1) Can I get the content off the SACD?  That's what this thread is for.  We already know the answer is yes.  Discussing how to accomplish this is what this thread is for.

2) Can I convert DSD to Flac?  That's a topic for another thread.  We actually already know the answer is yes to that question too.  How to do it is best discussed in another thread.

 

One may certainly want to research both tasks before purchasing a compatible player, but it doesn't mean both topics must be discussed in 1 place.

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1 hour ago, greynolds said:

Are you just here to argue with people?  This thread is about getting the content off the physical disc.  There are LOTS of other threads that discuss how to convert between file formats.  So split your goals into sub-tasks:

 

1) Can I get the content off the SACD?  That's what this thread is for.  We already know the answer is yes.  Discussing how to accomplish this is what this thread is for.

2) Can I convert DSD to Flac?  That's a topic for another thread.  We actually already know the answer is yes to that question too.  How to do it is best discussed in another thread.

 

One may certainly want to research both tasks before purchasing a compatible player, but it doesn't mean both topics must be discussed in 1 place.

I'm not arguing with anyone, and have no intention of arguing with anyone here. I replied to a metaphor that was made to @Sidemounter's post with a similar metaphor that in my opinion is more appropriate given what his end goal is.

 

To your point 1) - Yes, I totally agree to that, and I have said nothing that contradicts that belief.

To your point 2) - Yes, I totally agree to that, and I have said nothing that contradicts that either. However, the "we actually already know the answer is yes to that question too", certainly applies to the experienced members of this thread, but because @Sideloader made a point of saying that his end game was FLAC, I'm assuming that he doesn't know what we know, otherwise, I doubt he would have mentioned the FLAC part. 

 

To your final statement, I couldn't have stated it any better. And once again, I have not said anything to suggest that a discussion about anything beyond extracting from SACD's take place here in this thread.

 

Now, based on your post it sounds like you're reading a lot into my post that isn't there. The essence of what I did say, that in support of @Sidemount's post, it's never a bad when you set out to achieve a specific goal, to be thinking about everything from the first step (in this case, ripping the SACD) to the last step (in @Sideloader's case, creating FLAC's from the rips). 

 

Now, let's go back to being friends and respecting each other.

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This totally ignores the critical aspect of cheese with apple pie.

 

OTOH best way to deal with off topic posting is to include a link in your reply to the proper thread.

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45 minutes ago, Mike6f said:

This totally ignores the critical aspect of cheese with apple pie.

 

OTOH best way to deal with off topic posting is to include a link in your reply to the proper thread.

Thank you very much for your opinion. Have a nice day.

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Hi Everyone. I have a Sony BDP-S390 and I'm wondering if anyone here has a link to the old firmware for that model? The firmware is M11R0422 or before that I am after. I want to use the unit for playing SACD-R. Thanks!

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Good evening,

 

as a first step of solving the S6700 riddle or dilemma, we are now collecting Serial Numbers of this Sony unit in order to pinpoint (in the broadest sense of the word) the SN range or production year from when things became incompatible.

 

If you are willing to help out, just drop off your SN (first 5 digits) into the last sheet - HERE.


On a more positive note, there is a newly discovered player model capable of ripping SACDs - the Yamaha BD-S677 !

 

Thanks and if you don't like apple pie, try out lemon pie with apple juice 😝.

 

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Quick question : Do the OPPO 103/105 still work to Rip SACDs with any firmware or do we have to be careful not to update?


TIA

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My 103/105 are as updated as possible and both still rip just fine.  Still, one cannot be completely assured and I'd ask you to read the update information and post specific query.  I will check my FW versions and get back.


Kal Rubinson

Music in the Round

Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile

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My 103 is on the latest Oppo FW and works fine.

I do not have any 'all region' firmware or hardware, so I cannot speak to how that might affect SACD ripping. But it works fine with the latest FW update. 

IIRC there were some problems with streaming movie files that was caused by some updates, but SACD ripping as described here works fine.

I did have a problem with my 103 when I left a usb thumbdrive in the rear port that I used to back-up my settings. Once I removed it everything worked as it should. Just a head's up if you plan to back up your settings.

The Oppo usb 'wireless dongle' does not inhibit the SACD ripping, so you can use it if you want.

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Same here, and I DO have multi-region firmware on my 105. No problems at all with SACD ripping.

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While on the subject of Oppo 103's. I tried ripping SACD's according to instructions in this forum around 2 years ago and could not get it to work. Has the method changed at all since then? I'm ready to try again.

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2 minutes ago, David_B said:

Has the method changed at all since then?


nope: still using original files and instructions with my 103D

just be sure to get the right files and, if it doesn't work, try a different USB stick (some just don't work)


Qnap HS-251+ NAS (powered by an HD-Plex 100w LPS) > Cirrus7 Nimbini v2.5 Media Edition i7-8559U/32/512 running Roon ROCK (powered by a ZeroZone 19v/5A LPS) > Lumin U1 Mini (powered by a Vinnie Rossi Mini Pure-DC-4EVR LPS) >  UpTone Audio ISO Regen (powered by an Uptone Audio UltraCap LPS-1.2) > Metrum Acoustics Adagio NOS digital preamplifier + First Watt SIT 3  power amplifier (or Don Garber Fi "Y" 6922 tube preamplifier + Don Garber Fi "X" 2A3 SET power amplifier, both powered from an Alpha-Core BP-30 Isolated Symmetrical Power Transformer) > Klipsch Cornwall III

 

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1 hour ago, David_B said:

While on the subject of Oppo 103's. I tried ripping SACD's according to instructions in this forum around 2 years ago and could not get it to work. Has the method changed at all since then? I'm ready to try again.

Depends on how you tried it.  There have been new developments but the original procedure is still valid.


Kal Rubinson

Music in the Round

Senior Contributing Editor, Stereophile

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Good Day

 

Using a Sony BDP-S6500 firmware version M26.R.0357 happened to have this in house auto update is now off.

Have latest version Sony Autoscript for the 6700 downloaded from link one page back who was also a 6500 user but at a previous firmware.

Downloaded [email protected]_git_2019-03-21.zip extracted and installed latest version of Java 8.

 

Put the Autoscript files on 16gb USB key formatted fat32 plug into BDP power down and power up.  Open the GUI sacd_extract jar file. Use it to ping and test connection to BDP player, replies says it's accessible. 

 

So then set GUI to rip locally, dsf files stereo only for now. So I run without disc in player and drawer opens put in SACD and close. The minute I hit run I loose all network connectivity through two managed switches. So go out for an hour. Come home can feel BDP is spinning. Still no network connectivity can't even ping google. Not a single device on my network is working can ping but even have trouble with ssh to a Pi. Power down BDP everything returns to normal with 5 minutes. No files in output directory. I am able to get network activity on devices connected to third managed switch in front of these two. There is 100's of gb of room on C and it's an M.2 drive PCIe.

Pushing stop button has no affect in SACDextractgui once running. So power cycle.

 

Would love to get this working is it possible to rip local?

 

How long should 1 Disk take?

 

Run UniFi pro networking gear this is the first time I have had an outage in 2 months.

Here is console output:

 

Pinging 192.168.1.152 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.152: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.152: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.152: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.152:
    Packets: Sent = 3, Received = 3, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

[DONE]

[SUCCESS] Port 2002 of 192.168.1.152 is accessible.
[RUNNING][D:\Backup\Audio\sacd_extract\sacd_extract.exe, -i, 192.168.1.152:2002, -s, -2, -o, C:\Temp]


Response result non-zero or disc opened
libsacdread: Can't open 192.168.1.152:2002 for reading

[DONE]

[RUNNING][D:\Backup\Audio\sacd_extract\sacd_extract.exe, -i, 192.168.1.152:2002, -s, -2, -o, C:\Temp]

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from autoscript file the file name it refers to is correct:

 

#MTKAT 0.xx script
 
CLI(CLI_exec cp /mnt/sd*/AutoScript/sacd_extract_6700 /)
CLI(CLI_exec /sacd_extract_6700 -S &)
CLI(CLI_drv.sacd.tray 1)

 

Thanks

Stay safe

 

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1 hour ago, bokko said:

Pushing stop button has no affect in SACDextractgui once running. So power cycle.

 

Please try this revised script for the S6500. Be sure you have the outer/enclosing folder called AutoScript at the root of the flash drive.

 

The revised steps are as follows:

 

1) Ensure the S6500 has Quick Start mode enabled in the settings menu.

 

2) Insert flash drive into an already sleeping (OFF) player.

 

3) Disc tray will auto-open, place a disc in tray, and allow it to auto-close.

 

4) Observe green power status LED, when it goes dark, player is sleeping.

 

5) Run the rip in the GUI.

 

This script won't auto-eject the tray when the rip is complete, you can monitor that progress in the GUI, but the tray won't eject when the rip is done, you will need to do that yourself after you see the GUI say the rip is complete.

 

To do another rip, you need to remove the flash drive, and return the player to a sleeping (OFF) status, then reinsert the flash drive and follow the steps above once again.

 

1 hour ago, bokko said:

Would love to get this working is it possible to rip local?

 

Yes for the S6500 that's called AutoRip A6, it will write a full archival ISO to the flash drive.


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On 7/22/2020 at 3:02 PM, Nexus3 said:

...On a more positive note, there is a newly discovered player model capable of ripping SACDs - the Yamaha BD-S677 ! ...

 

That's my Blu-ray / SACD player (BD-S677). It's 6 years old, does that matter? I would like to try to rip one of my SACDs.

 

I read this page and page 1 and couldn't see any mention for using a Mac Mini only Windows, I really don't want to read 206 pages. If I can use a Mac Mini can you direct me to the page or post #?

 

Also @ted_b on page 1 you state: 

2) have an ethernet connection

What is an ethernet connection? I have used USB, Optical, and Coax cables but I am not familiar with ethernet.

 

I do have a thumb drive so that part is ready. Thanks for anyway you can help me.


I have dementia. I save all my posts in a text file I call Forums.  I do a search in that file to find out what I said or did in the past.

 

I still love music.

 

Teresa

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Perfect thanks for taking time to reply.

 

Yes I understand about AutoRip A6 but those pcloud links don't work. SIgned up for pcloud account before posting still don't have confirmation email. Click on links they do nothing...dropbox works great. I also tried tried updated sacd_extract.exe from videohelp still crashes network.

 

Power Cycle BDP

Quick start enabled

Inserted flash drive in USB port (with provided files)

Ejects tray, load disk goes in partway then comes out home menu appears then loads disk and screen goes black.

run gui hear disc spin up then this error

 

 

Received an error using16gb usb drive, mbr, formatted fat 32

 

So switched to a older Verbatim 4gb drive also fat 32, MBR, 

No error processing now on track 3 of 10 so assume no news is good news.

 

Success

Thanks

 

Only question padding-less DSF I should check this to not get pops between songs?

 

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3 minutes ago, bokko said:

Ejects tray, load disk goes in partway then comes out

 

This should not happen after a proper power cycle, the tray should eject, you place a disc in it, then it will retract.

 

5 minutes ago, bokko said:

No error processing now on track 3 of 10 so assume no news is good news.

 

Success

Thanks

 

 

Sounds like you are in business then.

 

6 minutes ago, bokko said:

Only question padding-less DSF I should check this to not get pops between songs?

 

No easy answer there, it depends, as the pop noise (or lack thereof) is due to the complex interaction of your playback software/settings, and the DAC's firmware. You might have to try it both ways, play back the results, and see in your particular setup whether or not Padding-less DSF is a benefit.


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Okay the thread I read wasn't to clear thats why, its used as/if required

 

Thanks

 

I have owned a RME DAC it had pops during playback of dsf files was fixed by RME via firmware update. AKM4490 chips.

Previous dac Allo Katana also suffered from this ESS9038 chip, resolved with kernel driver I believe (sold). Now have another DAC it also developed problem with DSF files pop at beginning and pop at end when you switched to PCM (or other non DSF format) with the new 2020 firmware. When I reverted to previous firmware 2018 it was resolved again. Dual AKM4490 chips

 

I will experiment and see what happens...main reason for bringing up is dsd is finicky, in my opinion worth effort and sure glad I can rip my collection tired of swapping disks.

 

At times the ripping software might not be culprit at all.

Roon user here.

 

Cheers and stay safe.

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