look&listen Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 hours ago, guthrie_m said: I have been having trouble finding a oppo 103 or 105? Try eBay: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=oppo+bdp+103&_sop=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=oppo+bdp+(103%2C105)&_sacat=0 Link to comment
Wanderlust Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2x OPPO 105d for sale Excellent contition, latest firmware, missing WiFi dongle. One with box. One without box. Make me an an offer I can’t refuse!! Link to comment
Popular Post Phthalocyanine Posted February 12, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2018 I have discovered a new model that can be used for SACD ripping with the exploit discussed in this thread: Sony BDP-S590 This is the midrange Sony Blu Ray player from 2012, which like all Sony’s Blu Ray players from that year, plays SACD. I have reason to believe, but have not personally confirmed, that the exploit would work for all the Sony Blu Ray players for that year 2012. I include a list of suspected models below. The methods for using the exploit is exactly the same as that used for the Pioneer 160 with the following additional work-around: The workaround is that after loading the disc, and right before one hits the button to start the ripping, one goes to the music settings and changes one of either two settings for SACD discs ([1]SACD or CD layer or [2] stereo or multichannel). I usually use the stereo or multichannel setting. As far as the ripping goes, it does not matter which one you set it to, as long as make the change just before starting the ripping. If the setting is currently set to stereo, change it to multichannel. If the setting is currently set to multichannel, set it to stereo. It is the changing the setting that is important for the reasons discussed below, not the setting itself. Whatever the setting was when you loaded it, change it to the other one before you rip it. The setting change is not instantly applied to the disc. You would have to reload the disc for the new settings to be applied. It does not matter whether stereo or multichannel is selected because ripping the .iso rips the whole disc image and all the contents of the disc. I hypothesize that the reason one has to change one of these settings to get the ripping to work on the Sony is the following: The Sony player, unlike the Oppos or Pioneers that are described in this forum thread, does not have any obvious setting to turn off autoload the disc. The Sony automatically autoloads the SACD when you put it in. But when a disc is autoloaded, this prevents the SACD ripper program from accessing the disc and it won't work. But merely changing either music setting described above breaks the autoload so that the ripping can happen. So for the S590 use the Autoscript, Autoscript.TSS, and sacd_extract etc. as described for the Pioneer 160. You can use the telnet method with the S590, and that is primarily how I have used it. I have ripped locally to a USB drive. If you do this you can format the USB drive to NTFS (rather than FAT32) and rip .iso images larger than 4GB (another nice feature of the S590. which people who did their ripping with the PS3 and had the 4GB limit will appreciate.) But the “server” method works fine with the S590, and that is the technique described in most of the guides here. Because people sometimes have had problems with particular USB sticks, I will list two brands that I have personally used successfully for the ripping process with the S590: SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB 2.0 32 GB SanDisk Ultra USB 3.0 128 GB I suspect but cannot personally confirm that the following Sony Blu Ray players from 2012 will also be subject to the exploit, since I believe they are all based on the same mediatek chipset: BDP-S390 BDP-S490 BDP-S790 BD Home Theater/Home Cinema Systems from 2012 with SACD: BDV-E190 BDV-E290 BDV-E390 BDV-E690 BDV-N590 BDV-N790W BDV-N890W BDV-N990W I can personally confirm that the Sony BDP-S185 (from late 2011) has the same chipset as the 2012 line and is also subject to the exploit. Unfortunately this model does not read SACD and therefore will not work for SACD ripping. (At least I cannot get it to work.) I have tried using the exploit for some Sony Blu Ray players with SACD from 2010 (the BDP-S370, S570, etc.) and 2011 (the BDP S380, S580, etc) but it does not appear to work for these. (At least I cannot get them to work.) I have not had the opportunity to try the exploit with Sony Blu Ray players from 2013 that read SACD, such as BDP-S5100 BDP-S4100 Home Theatre: BDV-N9100W BDV-N7100W Maybe someone out there with one of these can try it out. tmtomh, Nexus3, JediJoker and 4 others 1 4 2 Link to comment
billbillw Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 ^^^^^ Phthalocyanine, That is potentially great news. Those Sony models go cheap on eBay. I may just grab one to try it out. Link to comment
ted_b Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 @Phthalocyanine this is indeed great news if true about all these Sony candidates (not doubting you but you are the only one reporting this so far). Let's get a couple other confirmations, if possible. Thanks for the heads up. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
Popular Post Phthalocyanine Posted February 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2018 Yes, the Sony BDP-S590 was a mass-market model sold at Costco or Walmart and there are plenty floating around, which is how I ended up picking up two of them at thrift stores. For those who buy one -- don’t upgrade the firmware. This is not because that will prevent use of the exploit. It will not. Rather it is because up through firmware M12.R.0430, the BDP-S590 will play SACD-R discs (SACD .iso images burned on DVD). This is a nice feature which Sony disabled in later firmware. Actually, it is possible to downgrade the firmware of this model and some other Sony BD players thanks to the work of this developer here: http://www.malcolmstagg.com/bdp-s390-downgrade.html I’ve successfully done that with my two BDP-S590s. But try the SACD ripping exploit first without worrying about downgrading, because downgrading is its own somewhat complicated process. I went down this path based on an exchange much earlier in this thread. Someone else was experimenting with a BDP-S590 (The post and page numbers are from when this thread had them under the old server): Post 795 (page 33): Appreciate the info so far! Of course I had to try my SONY BDP-S590 just for the heck of it...the Autoscript works at least, as does the script with the TELNETD setting. Got this on the telnet uname -a:Linux sony-player 2.6.35 #1 PREEMPT Wed Jul 11 19:37:04 JST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux So strikes one/two/three, right off the bat. And when I try to run the EXE, it crashes on my Win10 device. Oh well. * Originally Posted by mocenigo Could you rip in the meantime? (Maybe copying locally to removable media?) * That's a good point - I'll try that tomorrow. I assumed the crash meant that the app simply wasn't supported but it's worth a shot to try and run the tool via telnet. * Nah, didn't work. Needed the libiconv.so.2 first off (grabbed that from one of the earlier posts). Ran the binary via telnet, got this:/mnt/sda1/AutoScript # ./sacd_extract -I insmod: can't insert '/tmp/filevKgrMe': invalid module format [0]: install_modules: mknod/insmod filed rmmod: can't unload 'sacd_read': unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter [0]: Can not install modules Again, my assumption here is that it's the wrong chipset, where the tool simply doesn't work. Worth an attempt however. * I am not sure the chipset makes per se ripping impossible. This seems just that the tools are. It compiled for the target platform. You can get inside, as root, and thus have access to the SACD device. Ripping should be possible - but the Pioneer and OPPO tools may not be able to run unchanged. * Try different sacd_extract daemon from Maldur's post And don't forget to reboot blu-ray player after any unsuccessful attempt *** Me, Phthalocyanine, speaking again: The reference to the Muldur post is the set of tools for the Pioneer 160, which is what I have used successfully. (I never had to do anything the libiconv.so.2 file mentioned in the exchange.) The original poster on the S590 was getting the error message insmod: can't insert '/tmp/filevKgrMe': invalid module format [0]: install_modules: mknod/insmod filed rmmod: can't unload 'sacd_read': unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter [0]: Can not install modules because the S590 had automounted the SACD disc and there is no setting on the S590 (unlike the Oppo and Pioneer) to stop automounting. (It turns out that the S590 will not automount SACD-Rs and that was how I first got any ripping to work before I discovered the work-around. Of course ripping SACD-R discs is fairly pointless, but it steered me in the right direction.) When I discovered the work-around that temporarily unmounted the SACD disc (the changing the current setting in either of the two settings in music), I could rip. JediJoker, tmtomh and Les Habitants 1 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Undertone Posted February 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2018 I can confirm that Phthalocyanine's method for implementing the exploit on Sony BDPs from the 2012 model year works successfully. On his recommendation, I acquired a Sony S590. After we established a LAN connection via DSL router from my office PC to the Sony, I was able to send commands to the Sony using a Telnet client. The SACD-ripping scripts are located on a SanDisk Ultra USB 3.0 flash drive (NTSF-formatted) plugged into the USB port of the Sony. SACD ISOs are saved directly onto the flash drive, which permits quick transfer to multiple external hard drives for storage. The initial setup took some time, but once a connection was established, the process ran flawlessly. The steps to dismount the SACD require only a few menu navigations and clicks of the Sony's remote. My present server/streamer is very basic, but when I implement a more advanced system I'll have an entire library of SACD ISOs ready to enjoy. Les Habitants, tmtomh, MikeyFresh and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment
billbillw Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I'd like to put in a little warning that there is a strong possibility that the Sony BDP-S790 uses a different chip than the S490/S590. I was curious because Sony describes the S790 as having a dual core processor whereas the S490/S590 do not. I've been digging in service manuals and it does appear that the main IC101 has a different internal Sony part number. tmtomh 1 Link to comment
Undertone Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I can't edit my previous post, but I'll amend it to clarify that I have only tested and used this method on a 2012 Sony BDP S590, not on any other model in that product year. Thanks to billbillw for pointing out a difference between the S590 and S790's processors. Link to comment
Phthalocyanine Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 @billbillw Very interesting observation on the BDP-S790. If you can find the service manual for the Sony BDP-S185 could you check that one for the part too? As I mentioned in my initial post, I own a Sony BDP-S185 and can personally attest that the exploit works on that model too (I can telnet in and have root control). It doesn’t work for SACD ripping because this model is not SACD capable. It would be interesting to see what the correlations are between part number and the mediatek chipset and exploit vulnerability in the various Sony models. tmtomh 1 Link to comment
Popular Post ted_b Posted February 15, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2018 44 minutes ago, Phthalocyanine said: As I mentioned in my initial post, I own a Sony BDP-S185 and can personally attest that the exploit works on that model too (I can telnet in and have root control). It doesn’t work for SACD ripping because this model is not SACD capable. Now I'm confused. What "exploit" works? If the machine cannot do SACD it is not eligible, period. This is an SACD ripping thread. Let's start over: please report if your machine will rip SACDs to ISOs, and report the model number (and any idiosyncrasies needed for the process). pl_svn and JediJoker 1 1 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
Phthalocyanine Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 @ted_b As I said in my initial thread, the one model I can personally confirm will work for SACD ripping is the BDP-S590 and I explained precisely how to do it with the work-around described. The information on other models is useful for further discoveries that might lead to more SACD ripping with further Sony models. tmtomh 1 Link to comment
Phthalocyanine Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 @billbillw I have the service manuals and it looks like the IC101 in the BDP-185 is part CXD90007G-AA. The IC101 for the BDP-S590 is variously listed as CXD90007G-AA and CXD90008G-AA. So it looks like you're on to something. tmtomh 1 Link to comment
Popular Post billbillw Posted February 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, Phthalocyanine said: @billbillw I have the service manuals and it looks like the IC101 in the BDP-185 is part CXD90007G-AA. The IC101 for the BDP-S590 is variously listed as CXD90007G-AA and CXD90008G-AA. So it looks like you're on to something. The service manual I have for the S590 shows IC101 as CXD90008G-AA. The manual for the S790 shows IC101 as CXD90011G-CB/CC. With Sony, you never know what the actual chip may be. That said, I still think the S790 'may' work since it apparently uses the same source code as shown here: http://oss.sony.net/Products/Linux/Video/category01.html If I owned an S790, I would definitely give ripping a try with the newfound trick above. Since I will be buying one to hopefully rip my 30 or so SACD, I will stick to the S590 or the Pioneer 80FD since those are the only two that can be found easily for under $200 (much less for the Sony). Early in this thread, there was one person who said they owned an S790. I hope they are still following and try ripping again. JediJoker, Nexus3, Les Habitants and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment
Phthalocyanine Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Additional information for those looking for a Sony BDP-S590 The model was also marketed in the United States as the Sony BX59. Internationally, the same model (but without WiFi) was marketed as the BDP-S490. Link to comment
tmtomh Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Wow, @Phthalocyanine , thanks so much for your investigations and for this discovery! This is a pretty major development, considering the BDP-S590 is available on the used market for about $50 to $80. That pretty much obliterates any affordability concerns for those who don't already have a ripping-capable player. (Oh, and nice user name! ) Link to comment
[email protected] Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 On 2018/2/13 at 2:25 AM, Phthalocyanine said: I have discovered a new model that can be used for SACD ripping with the exploit discussed in this thread: Sony BDP-S590 This is the midrange Sony Blu Ray player from 2012, which like all Sony’s Blu Ray players from that year, plays SACD. I have reason to believe, but have not personally confirmed, that the exploit would work for all the Sony Blu Ray players for that year 2012. I include a list of suspected models below. The methods for using the exploit is exactly the same as that used for the Pioneer 160 with the following additional work-around: The workaround is that after loading the disc, and right before one hits the button to start the ripping, one goes to the music settings and changes one of either two settings for SACD discs ([1]SACD or CD layer or [2] stereo or multichannel). I usually use the stereo or multichannel setting. As far as the ripping goes, it does not matter which one you set it to, as long as make the change just before starting the ripping. If the setting is currently set to stereo, change it to multichannel. If the setting is currently set to multichannel, set it to stereo. It is the changing the setting that is important for the reasons discussed below, not the setting itself. Whatever the setting was when you loaded it, change it to the other one before you rip it. The setting change is not instantly applied to the disc. You would have to reload the disc for the new settings to be applied. It does not matter whether stereo or multichannel is selected because ripping the .iso rips the whole disc image and all the contents of the disc. I hypothesize that the reason one has to change one of these settings to get the ripping to work on the Sony is the following: The Sony player, unlike the Oppos or Pioneers that are described in this forum thread, does not have any obvious setting to turn off autoload the disc. The Sony automatically autoloads the SACD when you put it in. But when a disc is autoloaded, this prevents the SACD ripper program from accessing the disc and it won't work. But merely changing either music setting described above breaks the autoload so that the ripping can happen. So for the S590 use the Autoscript, Autoscript.TSS, and sacd_extract etc. as described for the Pioneer 160. You can use the telnet method with the S590, and that is primarily how I have used it. I have ripped locally to a USB drive. If you do this you can format the USB drive to NTFS (rather than FAT32) and rip .iso images larger than 4GB (another nice feature of the S590. which people who did their ripping with the PS3 and had the 4GB limit will appreciate.) But the “server” method works fine with the S590, and that is the technique described in most of the guides here. Because people sometimes have had problems with particular USB sticks, I will list two brands that I have personally used successfully for the ripping process with the S590: SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB 2.0 32 GB SanDisk Ultra USB 3.0 128 GB I suspect but cannot personally confirm that the following Sony Blu Ray players from 2012 will also be subject to the exploit, since I believe they are all based on the same mediatek chipset: BDP-S390 BDP-S490 BDP-S790 BD Home Theater/Home Cinema Systems from 2012 with SACD: BDV-E190 BDV-E290 BDV-E390 BDV-E690 BDV-N590 BDV-N790W BDV-N890W BDV-N990W I can personally confirm that the Sony BDP-S185 (from late 2011) has the same chipset as the 2012 line and is also subject to the exploit. Unfortunately this model does not read SACD and therefore will not work for SACD ripping. (At least I cannot get it to work.) I have tried using the exploit for some Sony Blu Ray players with SACD from 2010 (the BDP-S370, S570, etc.) and 2011 (the BDP S380, S580, etc) but it does not appear to work for these. (At least I cannot get them to work.) I have not had the opportunity to try the exploit with Sony Blu Ray players from 2013 that read SACD, such as BDP-S5100 BDP-S4100 Home Theatre: BDV-N9100W BDV-N7100W Maybe someone out there with one of these can try it out. The front tray did not open after powering on my Sony BDP-S485 with the USB drive containing the Autoscript folder inserted. Anything I did wrong? or S485 is not compatible? Link to comment
djoel Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Anyone in NYC that would do the ripping for a fee for me? We'll discuss further via PM. Thanks Djoel Link to comment
Phthalocyanine Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 @ [email protected] The Sony BDP-S485 is a model I did not previously know about. From its service manual, it’s a Sony Blu-Ray player model with SACD and Karaoke from 2011-2012 marketed in China, Singapore, Thailand, and Russia, The question is whether it has the chipset of the S590 family from 2012 or the S580 family from 2011. I could not get a S580 to work for ripping. So if the S585 is like the S580 it will not work. It is certainly worth trying however because the S485 has SACD capability and is close to the right time range. The lack of the front tray opening is not necessary a sign that it will not work. There are different versions of the exploit and not all of them open the front tray. I have been using the telnet method for the Pioneer 160 and that version does not open the tray. The telnet method is best for figuring out exactly what is going on because you get actual feedback from the player as you issue the commands. The telnet method is described early on in this thread. I or a colleague are planning to post our detailed guide to using the telnet method with the S590 soon. (To be clear, the S590 also works with the “server” method in combination with iso2DSD. It is just that I haven’t personally used that method in long time, since I prefer the telnet method.) Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 We should be able to rule S485 out since it does share the same firmware with the S580 family https://www.avforums.com/threads/sony-latest-update-6-3-12.1601526/ Quote Applicable models: BDP-S480, BDP-S485, BDP-S580, BDP-S780 Link to comment
Phthalocyanine Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 @seeteeyou Good info. Yes that makes it look less likely. But I hope [email protected] gives it a try anyway and we can get an actual experimental result to add to our collective knowledge base on these players. Link to comment
[email protected] Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 @Phthalocyanine Can you point me to the thread for the telnet method? Or I will wait for your detailed guide. Thanks. Link to comment
HenkNZ Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Hi, I have been trying a bit to get this done using Mac and Oppo 103B. The Oppo is on ethernet and my Mac is on the same network: I have tried from the Mac and from Windows 7. The USB drive is a bootable 2GB FAT32 device. It opens the drawer when I insert it on the front. I have set up the OPPO as per instructions on this page. The SACD folder is in my Windows C drive. Using the Sonore ISOD2DSD exe on Windows and the .JAR on Mac gives the same error Response result non-zero or disc opened, cant open 192.168.1.73:2002 for reading On Windows using cmd, I get this error: libsacdread: Can't stat /dev/cdrom No such file or directory What am I missing? Link to comment
One and a half Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, HenkNZ said: Hi, I have been trying a bit to get this done using Mac and Oppo 103B. The Oppo is on ethernet and my Mac is on the same network: I have tried from the Mac and from Windows 7. The USB drive is a bootable 2GB FAT32 device. It opens the drawer when I insert it on the front. I have set up the OPPO as per instructions on this page. The SACD folder is in my Windows C drive. Using the Sonore ISOD2DSD exe on Windows and the .JAR on Mac gives the same error Response result non-zero or disc opened, cant open 192.168.1.73:2002 for reading On Windows using cmd, I get this error: libsacdread: Can't stat /dev/cdrom No such file or directory What am I missing? The 5th sentence in your post is in error. Th rest is the consequence, for please, debug from the beginning. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
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