Popular Post ted_b Posted July 20, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2016 Note: I told the PS3 thread I would announce what I've found, so I am writing this first post, long before I am ready to (i.e I don't have the links ready yet, nor the instructions). I expect my second post to be ready in a few more days. Thanks to some very ingenious folks on other forums around the world, Mr Wicked's sacd_extract.exe has been found to be effective in ripping SACDS in those players that: 1) have Mediatek chips MT8580 (like Oppo 103/105, Cambridge Audio 752bd/cxu, Pioneer bdp-lx58/88 ) or MT8560 (like Pioneer BDP-160, 170 and BDP-80FD) 2) have an ethernet connection 3) have normal factory firmwares (meaning no mods) The process involves two major steps: 1) create a USB thumb drive that contains an Autoscript program and a Telnet program, then plug it into your player to have it boot up with these scripts 2) using something like Putty (Windows, for example) Telnet from a computer into the BD/SACD/universal player above, then run a command line file that starts the ISO extraction. Both of these steps require links that I will either edit here, or create a new post with them. I am still quite confused as to whether some of these files are different based on Mediatek chip version, of if this is all universal. Here is an idea of the process (google translated and simplified) 01 – Folder AutoScript contain a server program (daemon) to rip original SACD discs 02 – Folder sacd_extract contain a windows client sacd_extract.exe and a file sacd.cmd. You should put this folder on a drive or partition with enough space to create .iso image. Edit sacd.cmd file with Notepad or another editor to change the IP address of the player. PC must be on the same network with the player 03 – Prepare clean USB stick 04 – Copy AutoScript folder with 3 files inside to the root of USB stick 05 – Disconnect from the player all USB devices 06 – Restart the player 07 – Check the Player menu and save IP address of the lan interface. Don’t forget to edit sacd.cmd 08 – It’s better to disable disc Autoplay 09 – Insert prepared USB stick into the player 10 – Wait until the tray is ejected 11 – Remove USB stick from your player 12 – Put sacd disc in tray 13 – Press the Close button 14 – Wait until the disc is recognized by the player 15 – From the Windows run sacd.cmd file and the ripping process should start 16 – To rip another SACD make sure that the sacd_extract.exe worked until the end, eject the tray with previous disc and repeat steps 11-15 17 – Be sure to reboot the player at the end! Net/net, don't sell your Oppo/Cambridge/Pioneer players (and add to this list if you know of any more). I will have links to the Autoscript, Autoscrpt.TSS and sacd.cmd as soon as possible, along with some screen shots, if possible. I wanted to get this out there. Caveat: as with the PS3, this ripping process is ONLY intended for those who already own the SACD discs, for archiving or personal file-based playback purposes. Please do not pirate!! ******************************************************************************* June 2017: Here is my first attempt to edit/curate this long thread. ** User Haggis999 has written a Word Doc that summarizes how to rip on the Oppo platform (103/105). Here is the link https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fsigs8b3m24ld56/AACV2LC2EHfEdiS41fQmlKPxa?dl=0 Thanks Haggis999 ** And here is a similar link for the Pioneer players BDP-80FD/BDP-170 and BDP-160 (thanks to HiRezGuy) https://www.dropbox.com/s/13mq5pihw0enoqy/SACD Image Creation Process for Pioneer BDP-80FD.txt?dl=0 ** Current eligible players? Here is a quoted summary from user CatManDo. He nicely recaps the majority of players out there: "Concerning low budget players (200€), using the MT8560 chip, there are the Pioneer BDP-160 and Pioneer BDP-170 (not the current model 180, which uses a newer chip). A 160 is very hard to find, and the 170 is quite rare too, but offers show up on Ebay or the Amazon Marketplace regularly. They are certain to dry up soon. There is also the Pioneer BDP-80FD, which is the US equivalent to the BDP-170. It's not available in Europe. Players using the MT8580 chip are in a different price league (600€ and more). It's the Oppo 103/105 (all regional variations and Darbee chip players) and players based on the Oppo (Cambridge Audio 752bd/cxu, maybe others, generally more expensive than the Oppo), the Arcam CDS27 (CD/SACD/file player) and the top range Pioneer players BDP-LX58 and BDP-LX88." Edit: February 2018 A brand new ripping player has been found, the Sony BDP-S590. Thanks to several members, including Phthalocyanine and Dick Darlington, who's summary instructions post is linked here: https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/28569-sacd-ripping-using-an-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true/?page=111&tab=comments#comment-788251 Edit March 2019 Here is MikeyFresh's list of compatible units (as of mid-March 2019): https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/28569-sacd-ripping-using-an-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true/page/176/?tab=comments#comment-940992 austinpop, MeiSh5am, look&listen and 8 others 8 1 2 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 Joel, the ripping times are exactly like the PS3, i.e about 2-3mb/sec and therefore about 20 minutes or so. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 20, 2016 Author Share Posted July 20, 2016 I will repeat: this ripping capability is available for those BD/universal/SACD players that have the MT8580 or MT8560 chipsets ONLY! Telnet is the only communication vehicle I am aware of that allows one to run this. That requires a LAN connection (I assume wireless is ok but don't know these players' capability). "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 OK, here is the link to my dropbox folder called SACD. Inside it are the two folders: * Autoscript for empty root drive of USB stick, and * SACD Extract for the two files that go on the pc folder, a command file that needs editing (notepad, etc) once you know your players IP address, and the sacd_extract.exe file. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8cunli3d3basmix/AAAY2mPDW9QH_so52EwCCBhya?dl=0 Summary: you should copy Autoscript folder with 2 files inside to a clean USB stick, power on the player, wait until it boots and connect the prepared USB stick. When scrolling text ABCDEFGHIJK will appear on the display – you can connect to the player over telnet. Use ‘root’ login and press enter. Type ‘uname -a’ and press enter. If you see ‘Linux mtk85xx 2.6.35‘ then it’s your lucky day and the sacd_extract daemon should work at your player. Type sacd.cmd (remember to edit with proper IP address) and ripping should begin. Putty details: start putty, check Telnet as connection type, in Host name type IP of your blu-ray player and press Open button.and it will look like this If telnet server is started on player side – you will see a login window (this is an 8560 example but Chinese programmer typo'd 8530). Type ‘root’ and press Enter If you get 2.6.35 then you are in. I will have more info later. Note: I do not have any of these players so I can't personally test. I will ask Grill to get on, as he has successfully done an Oppo (I think, maybe it's a Pio). PLEASE report back, especially a successful rip. I will act as go-between for the silent folks behind the scene who actually discovered and created this stuff. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 BTW. this method of extraction is out now more than half year. See yourself - https://www.dropbox.com/s/1yl8cffq273ebah/SACD-extract-BDP160.zip?dl=0 Person behind this is from Ukraine, Kiev, i belive. Sorry, but I never said I invented it. I said I would make it available to CA users. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 I've invited another experienced Mediatek ripping user to join us and help out. He also showed me how we can run sacd_extract manually from the telnet console, and watch the ripping process. For example, you can add some memory/buffer to the Pioneers like the 160, which are woefully low for good ISO extraction. I will summarize in another post (unless he does). "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 Is the list complete or could we find additional brands/models? I'm a bit disappointed that the newest Ultra-HD Blu-Ray players don't read SACDs. Hopefully one of those above can be found at an affordable price. No idea if the list is complete, and that is why I asked on my post for others to chime in if they found another one. However, given the degree to which the early adopters have tested this, I gotta assume they are not many others with these chipsets. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 Are there 2 different AutoScript file for Oppo & Pioneer? grill has stated the md5 hash for the file AutoScript, then Maldur has mentioned about another .zip file, which actually has ' the text 160' in the file name. I downloaded both zip, and run md5 on the 2 different AutoScript files, and the md5 hash are different. I do not have an Oppo or the Pioneer yet, so cannot check myself, am waiting for the outcome to decide which one to buy ... well, the Pioneer BDP-160 is cheaper ... Yes, as I mentioned earlier, there are customizations out there. So here goes: There are at least three different Autoscripts: * the one I originally linked (and seems to be working fine for some CA Oppo users, for example) is the one for automatic sacd_extract execution. It's contents looks like this: #MTKAT 0.xx script CLI(CLI_exec cp /mnt/sda1/AutoScript/sacd_extract /) CLI(CLI_exec /sacd_extract -S &) CLI(CLI_drv.ir.rx.sq 0xaf000) * below is a similar Autoscript with extra buffering for the BDP-160 (see my dropbox link below or Maldur's post and follow instructions) #MTKAT 0.xx script CLI(CLI_exec cp /mnt/sda1/AutoScript/sacd_extract_160 /) CLI(CLI_exec insmod /lib/modules/2.6.35/BDP/splitter.ko) CLI(CLI_exec /sacd_extract_160 -S &) CLI(CLI_drv.ir.rx.sq 0xaf000) * there is another for the manual telnet sacd_extraction and requires command line execution, but allows one to watch via telnet, and add buffering manually. It's content looks like this: #MTKAT 0.xx script CLI(CLI_exec echo root::0:0:root,,,:/root:/bin/sh >/etc/passwd) CLI(CLI_exec /usr/sbin/telnetd &) SLEEPMS(3000) CLI(CLI_app.vfdmg.b clear_msg) CLI(CLI_app.vfdmg.b scroll_msg start) SLEEPMS(5000) This is how it looks with BDP-160: – extract to a root of clean USB stick AutoScript folder for the 160 from my dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gnpma48ceil80w5/AABdmZyVGf8PTo5mq3kRLIEOa?dl=0 and rename it to AutoScriptSACD – extract to a root of the same USB stick the telnet AutoScript folder from my dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eu48sjfmrgtxdan/AAB1Q8x6vRWMQAt1egXOevYQa?dl=0 – after this USB stick should contains 2 folder AutoScript and AutoScriptSACD – Power On blu-ray/SACD player, wait until it boots up and insert prepared USB stick – when scrolling text ABCDEFGHIJK will appear on the display – you can connect to the player over telnet (with Putty for example) – when login window will appear – type ‘root’ and press Enter – type ‘cd /mnt/sda1/AutoScriptSACD’ and press Enter – type ‘ls’ and press Enter to see if sacd_extract_160 present in folder – insert line ‘insmod /lib/modules/2.6.35/BDP/splitter.ko’ and press Enter (this needed only with blu-ray players with small amount of RAM, like bdp-160) – type ‘./sacd_extract_160 -S &’ and press enter – if you have kernel 2.6.35 we will see something like this: – now we can start ‘sacd.cmd’ in Windows and ripping process will begin Currawong 1 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 Once you have the raw SACD.ISO, you can extract multi-channel (if available on the SACD of course), make DSF, cue files and so on with the ISO2DSD utility from Sonore which works quite well. The ISO2DSD only takes a few minutes (on a Xeon PC) to extract stereo DSF from the ISO. Then use MP3tag to clean up the metadata for DSF. It's a bit of work, but now worth it to directly transfer DSD files to some of the newer portable players without having to convert to PCM or listen directly at home for those that have that luxury. Right. Just as I recommended for PS3 ripping, do not do anything other than creating an ISO. You want an ISO for many reasons, not the least of which is that is the entire disc image for backup, etc. Then, using a non-spinning medium like a pc, do the extraction fr4om the ISO to stereo, multichannel DSF, etc. Don't ask the Oppo or Pioneer to spin longer than it needs. It has a short spinning life. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 BTW, welcome to CA all you new folks! "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 In ISO2DSD, when extracting ISOs, always check the DST box and always choose DSF. DFF does not support tagging and there is no reason to use it. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 Yes, it is VERY possible that new firmware could block this method. Please read the firmware notes and proceed with caution (for many of these machines new firmware notes may list only special disc titles, for example, that are being resolved, but behind the scenes they are doing more). Of course in the PS3 SACD ripping world there is no wiggle room to update firmware...you'd be dead in the water if you did. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 Cost: Amazon (US) has used BDP-160s and 170s shipped from Japan for $230 all in. A used Oppo 103 is very likely a better overall player, SACD ripping notwithstanding. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 Now telnet on my BDP-170, might work with that othet Autoscript folder that Ted_b posted but haven't tried that one That a "now" or a "no"? "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 This is all great feedback, and clearly requires me to amend the instructions at the top of this thread somewhat. I figured that, but assumed it might get more complex...not realizing that the most foreign of steps (telnet) is now an option worth skipping. So...for the successful Oppo users: could you write a simple instruction on how you ripped an ISO without telnet (i.e what steps of mine do you now get to skip). Same goes for a BDP-160 user (assume you use the sacd_extract_160 files?). Once we have all this categorized I will also add to my SACD guide PDF (it needs a lot of updating anyway). Thanks. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 ted_b, you can safely remove (for now) BDP-180 from list of compatible player's. I'll try to get one 180 for testing and see if this works out. Unfortunately, this forum engine has an edit time-out, so my first post (and most others) are no longer editable. In hindsight I should have made this an article. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 It's wonderful to see all these new SACD ripping successes. I thought I would remind folks of some SACD ripping tips: * here's a major one: http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/sacd-ripping-using-your-ps3-part-2-a-7495/index99.html#post492092 Net/net, make sure, especially when ripping classical titles you own, that your target folder is not nested deep into Windows directories or the final path name (directory/folder/subfolder/filename) might get too long for Windows and crash/blow up. If possible, make your target working folder a root folder (i.e. directly under C or whatever) and rename your ISO if it extracts to a very long name. * The two best ISO to DSF tools are Jesus's Sonore GUI tool (that many of you are already familiar with cuz you are using it in the actual ripping process) and Bogi's auto-context (i.e right click in Windows Explorer) ISO2DSF that uses Jussi's DFF2DSF conversion utility. Sonore APPS - ISO2DSD http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/how-do-you-store-dff-untagged-files-21780/index8.html#post368551 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 26, 2016 Author Share Posted July 26, 2016 And yes, post 26 dropbox link is the Oppo Autoscript. Make sure the USB stick has a folder in it named Autoscript (and no parent folder) not just 3 files. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 Question: sacd_extract command line tool and avoiding clickssacd_extract reportedly has a bug that can cause clicks or other discontinuities between tracks when converting from ISO directly to DSF. The solution, according to much discussion over the last two years, is to: (1) use sacd_extract to convert ISO to DFF; then (2) use Miska's DFF2DSF tool to convert the DFF to DSF. Step (1) remains unclear to me. Should I use the -p switch to split the ISO into multiple DFF files, or should I use the -e switch to convert the ISO to a single DFF "edit master" file? Does the first option overcome the bug in sacd_extract? The second option seems useless because Miska's DFF2DSF tool does not seem to split a single DFF file into multiple DSF files. First off, always use sacd_extract v0.38, which fixes the bug that caused clicks extracting to DSF (final blocks were truncated). Second, if you are not sure you have sacd_extract v0.38 then simply use Bogi's tool I've already linked to previously (two days ago in post 169). One of its goals is to seamlessly create a workflow that gets around the earlier DSF bug by first extracting to DFF, then saving the metadata temporarily (since DFF can't store it), then uses Jussi's converter to go to DSF, then adds the tags back in. It's all automated, and will delete the working files once done. All that being said, the Windows and Mac versions of Jesus's ISO2DSD GUI tool already use the v0.38 version of sacd_extract so no worries there. Finally, if you are a masochist (joking) and simply interested in doing all this manually with the command line tool, then go get v0.38 and use the arguments you'll find in the help listing. Here is v0.38 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3487125/sacd_extract.rar "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 That reads as if it may be resolved at some point. Only in that the 180 was listed in the original post (which I can no longer edit) and was presumed to be a MTK8560 chipset. If the actual truth is that is is another chipset aside from 8560 or 8580 then, no it ain't coming back. Although there have been a couple addtl universal players discovered to be either an 8560 or 8580, there have been NO addtional chipsets found to work other than those two. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share Posted July 27, 2016 There are hundreds of SACDs in the public library in my home town . . . As I stated in my first post (and in my SACD ripping guide) ripping and extracting SACDs is for those music discs that are your personal property, and is primarily intended for two purposes: 1) archiving ISOs (so SACD-R can be burnt if your orginal purchased disc is damaged) and 2) converting to file-playback for computer-based players capable of playing DSF or DFF. FYI. Off my soapbox. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 That has not been my experience, when I turn on Output to 5.1, I am getting music out or the surround channels despite the fact that it is a 2 channel source. When I choose Source Number of Channels it works perfect at detecting the number of channels to play, Just not with this particular set of DSF files. The disc was set up to re-create the original Quadraphonic recording of Best of the The Doors album from 1973. Technically it should be a 4.0 channel recording, not utilizing the center channel or the sub. If I use DBPower amp file information, it reports it as being a 5.0 channel recording, not sure what the 5th channel would be. Jriver plays this particular file in 2CH even tough I have 5 lights on on the receiver, If I switch Jriver to force 5.1 playback, it will play in 5.1, but it is not a 5.1 recording. If I set to play in 4CH mode in Jriver, it continues to only play 2 channels, and the issue is that I do not hear any missing information. I think there is something substantially different on these Audio Fidelity SACD's that are recreating old 4 Channel mixes. I think I ran into this on the Pink Floyd Immersion Box Sets as well, I could not get Jriver to play the Quad Mix of Wish You Were Here properly either, the 5.1 Mix no problem. At this point, I am not sure where the problem lies. When I had an early firmware version of the exaSound Playpoint I experienced the same thing with AF quad SACD rips. The right rear channel was silent and the left rear and sub had right surround/left surround info. For the Playpoint it ended up being a flag that George added (as he realized they were not "standard") and the problem was solved. The same seems to be an issue with a Reference Recording or two, ones that show as 5.0. Jriver can reorder channels, but only in DSP (i.e PCM). "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 I do not have any of those recordings but, if you can send me a track, I would be happy to try it out. Check your email "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 Sorry, the pedant in me won't let this go: there is no "recreating" involved with the AF Quad series. They take the original quad master tapes and transfer them to DSD, possibly flat or possibly with some mastering applied. They're not going back to the multitracks and remixing in quad to "recreate" old mixes. Well, yes they are in that they need to adhere to scarletbook, so they come 5.0 and have the center channel active (but empty). This clearly has caused some playback engines to get confused. We are just trying to get to the "why". "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
ted_b Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 Just for fun, I used DbPoweramp to convert one of the DSF Files from The Best Of The Doors SACD into a Multi Channel WAV file. I then opened it up in Audacity. It is 5.0 and mapped correctly. FL, FR, Center (No Sound Info in it) RL And RR. I now believe that Jriver does not know what to do with a 5.0 File and it is a software issue. It will not play the 5.0 WAV properly either. Just vto clarify, I have my Yamaha RX-A3040 set to straight, no decoding of any kind. JRiver set to "Use Source Number Of Channels. I also tried the 5.1 Channel Setting in Jriver and it then plays in 5.1, but it is doing it in all my 2 channel material as well. Everything works properly when set to "Use source Number Of Channels" with exception of the 5.0 files, if it is a 5.1 file it detects and plays fine, 5.0 plays as a 2 channel. UPDATE: As I was typing this I was playing Soul Kitchen, and it sounded like all the info was there even though it was coming from FR &FL only. Then People Are Strange came on next and a lot of music information was missing due to Jriver not wanting to recognize a 5.0 File Properly and not playing the rear channels. I think I need to have a chat from somebody at Jriver support. Just for fun, try remapping the wav channels in JRIver (DSP -> parametric -> change channel order) to move the lfe channel to last so JRiver sees your five in that order. This, of course, is not a long term solution, but DSP is easy to turn off and on for other PCM, and automatically is not used for DSD. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
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