plissken Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 25 minutes ago, sandyk said: qualified E.E. members such as J.S. I find it funny that you forget what J.S. said about Ethernet cables. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Link to comment
Speed Racer Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 The only thing an Ethernet cable might pass on is some high impedance noise. I have done the John Swenson ground modification to my switch. Tell me how an Ethernet cable is going to affect the sound quality again? By what mechanism? Details please! Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 29 minutes ago, sandyk said: and far more experience in this area than the 2 local Yokels who never endingly knock every subjective report, based on outdated technical research and lack of willingness to try some of even the simpler improvements suggested by qualified E.E. members such as J.S. Where did I even use the word Ethernet in that statement ? I doubt that either of you (Plissken and Mansr, NOT Mr. Need for Speed) has even bothered to try earthing the 0 volts side of SMPS powered gear etc. based purely on ideological grounds ! However, the general lack of apathy (laziness?) in this forum when it comes to actually trying something that others have suggested , will most likely mean that very few,if any, will even bother to follow up on Cookie's suggested testing, just as virtually all members couldn't be bothered participating in Plissken's recent thread. BTW Speed Skater, has your new PSU fully stabilised yet ? Is it giving the results that you hoped for? How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Speed Racer Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, sandyk said: Where did I even use the word Ethernet in that statement ? Dude, you need to take a nap or something. This thread is about Ethernet cables....... plissken 1 Link to comment
sandyk Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Speed Racer said: By what mechanism? Details please! I don't claim to be a qualified E.E. Ask those people with suitable qualifications and access to appropriate test equipment. BTW, I didn't see your reply until I posted mine, where I had specifically excluded you from that statement. How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted December 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Speed Racer said: Dude, you need to take a nap or something. This thread is about Ethernet cables....... Really ? I thought it was just another thread for several of you to crap in and disrupt as usual ! I hope that a few members actually bother to contact Cookie . Not that mansr or Plissken are likely to accept any positive results about differences heard between different Ethernet cables though. t_ram and MikeyFresh 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 40 minutes ago, sandyk said: I thought it was just another thread for several of you to crap in and disrupt as usual ! It is, I recommend making some additions to your Ignored members list, it will result in a palpable reduction in forum noise. Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
Popular Post Ralf11 Posted December 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2017 what's needed is a palpable reduction in forum sand being kicked around occamsrazor and The Computer Audiophile 2 Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted December 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, MikeyFresh said: It is, I recommend making some additions to your Ignored members list, it will result in a palpable reduction in forum noise. Several of these guys live in hope that their closed minded views will remain uncontested, and that their views may then be more widely accepted by the silent majority of members. t_ram and MikeyFresh 1 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Popular Post charlesphoto Posted December 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2017 I’ve tried four different Ethernet cables between my FMC (ground shunted that proceeds a ground shunted FS105) and microRendu. All four sound different, but it is subtle and you have to LISTEN. Of the four, I would definitely say the Ghent JSSG is best. The others are fine - Teragrand (Amazon) Cat 7 - good and neutral, maybe not so detailed as the others; Miecord Opal - big and meaty and musical but can be a bit much; AQ Cinnamon - detailed but seems to carve out the bass; Ghent JSSG - more of everything without anything being left out. Really nice. No idea why they sound different but they do. Good enough for me. t_ram, Cornan and MikeyFresh 1 1 1 SERVER CLOSET (in office directly below living room stereo):NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule (Uptone LPS 1.2)> LIVING ROOM: Sonore opticalRendu Roon version (Sonore Power Supply)> Shunyata Venom USB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 160 Bolt Down>Chord Rumor 2>Audio Physic Compact Classics. OFFICE: opticalModule> Sonore microRendu 1.4> Matrix Mini-i Pro 3> Naim NAP 110>NACA5>KEF Ls50's. BJC 6a and Ghent Catsnake 6a JSSG ethernet; AC cables: Shunyata Venom NR V-10; Audience Forte F3; Ice Age copper/copper; Sean Jacobs CHC PowerBlack, Moon Audio DIN>RCA, USB A>C. Isolation: Herbie's Audio Lab. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 some people will believe anything - e.g. anti-vaxers, audiophools, assorted placebophiles, etc. Link to comment
charlesphoto Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 36 minutes ago, Ralf11 said: some people will believe anything - e.g. anti-vaxers, audiophools, assorted placebophiles, etc. Are you conflating me with an anti-Vaxxer? I think I’m so done with this forum.... SERVER CLOSET (in office directly below living room stereo):NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule (Uptone LPS 1.2)> LIVING ROOM: Sonore opticalRendu Roon version (Sonore Power Supply)> Shunyata Venom USB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 160 Bolt Down>Chord Rumor 2>Audio Physic Compact Classics. OFFICE: opticalModule> Sonore microRendu 1.4> Matrix Mini-i Pro 3> Naim NAP 110>NACA5>KEF Ls50's. BJC 6a and Ghent Catsnake 6a JSSG ethernet; AC cables: Shunyata Venom NR V-10; Audience Forte F3; Ice Age copper/copper; Sean Jacobs CHC PowerBlack, Moon Audio DIN>RCA, USB A>C. Isolation: Herbie's Audio Lab. Link to comment
Popular Post charlesphoto Posted December 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2017 All forums actually. This is what I wrote on a Naim forum discussing cables. Of course the discussion had to go south, and has since been taken down. Some people just need to get a life. It’s usually at this point in a thread that everyone needs a reminder that hifi is a hobby. Nobody actually needs it, like we do air, water, food, shelter, and civil rights. Whether it is a Sonos or a 555, it is all a luxury. So no need to get knickers in a twist, over anything to do with this distraction of ours. Some, who’ve done well in life financially, are able to go to a dealer, take his or her word, and plonk down $60k, have it delivered and set up and never have to think about it again. Others, like myself (a perpetually broke freelance photographer) have built up mour systems piece by piece, with careful consideration for vfm. My stereo budget this year was set at $0. So far I’ve gone over that by about 200% with some ground and cable tweaks learned about over on the CA forum, but for the increase in sound quality I achieved it sounds like at least a box step up or two. So the moral is, lets not be so serious about this. Same with camera forums, car forums, etc etc. Leave the vitriol for politics. This is just stuff. There’s room for people to spend to their heart’s delight on esoteric boutique items, and room for people to pull out the soldering iron and give it a go. Again, it’s a hobby - it’s supposed to be fun, fascinating, informative, and rewarding, no matter how one goes about it. t_ram, Siltech817, The Computer Audiophile and 3 others 3 3 SERVER CLOSET (in office directly below living room stereo):NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule (Uptone LPS 1.2)> LIVING ROOM: Sonore opticalRendu Roon version (Sonore Power Supply)> Shunyata Venom USB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 160 Bolt Down>Chord Rumor 2>Audio Physic Compact Classics. OFFICE: opticalModule> Sonore microRendu 1.4> Matrix Mini-i Pro 3> Naim NAP 110>NACA5>KEF Ls50's. BJC 6a and Ghent Catsnake 6a JSSG ethernet; AC cables: Shunyata Venom NR V-10; Audience Forte F3; Ice Age copper/copper; Sean Jacobs CHC PowerBlack, Moon Audio DIN>RCA, USB A>C. Isolation: Herbie's Audio Lab. Link to comment
MikeyFresh Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 30 minutes ago, charlesphoto said: All four sound different That is similar to my experience with the following: Radio Shack Cat 5e BJC Cat 6 Rosewill Cat 7 Supra Cat 8 They do not sound the same, the differences are subtle just as you described, but they are there. I do not find the sound quality to correspond exactly according to their prices, however the two I prefer are the two that cost the most, the BJC Cat 6 and Supra Cat 8. But those two do not sound the same, the BJC Cat 6 in my setup is both more dimensional and revealing of detail, but at the expense of some slight tonal balance roughness in the upper midrange/lower treble as compared to the Supra Cat 8, which is better tonally but lacking the nth degree of stereo imaging quality exhibited by the BJC Cat 6. So for me no clear winner, and of course others' mileage can/will vary. None of the above cables suck, the old Radio Shack Gigaware Cat 5e isn't bad at all and in hindsight I could have stayed with it and skipped the entire comparison process. Cornan 1 Boycott HDtracks Boycott Lenbrook Boycott Warner Music Group Link to comment
plissken Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, charlesphoto said: I’ve tried four different Ethernet cables between my FMC (ground shunted that proceeds a ground shunted FS105) and microRendu. All four sound different, but it is subtle and you have to LISTEN. Of the four, I would definitely say the Ghent JSSG is best. The others are fine - Teragrand (Amazon) Cat 7 - good and neutral, maybe not so detailed as the others; Miecord Opal - big and meaty and musical but can be a bit much; AQ Cinnamon - detailed but seems to carve out the bass; Ghent JSSG - more of everything without anything being left out. Really nice. No idea why they sound different but they do. Good enough for me. My position is: 1. Your cable needs to certify out 2. Using a multi-meter to tone out your cable I can, on the spot, construct a like pinned out cable, that will sound the same when your sighted bias is controlled for. I'll bring a Server/Client running Jriver and Cisco Switch configured for LAG via LACP and the Client machine running Intel Server Dual PHY NIC in a teamed configuration. From there it's your USB cable on from there. It's typical of most setups. I have no problem walking into any ones house and watching them crash and burn once they don't know the answers ahead of time. Cookie included. P.S. don't used shielded cable for home use. It's not needed, it add complexity where none need to be. Better yet use wireless. People espousing absolute rubbish does no one any good. Hobby or not. mansr 1 Link to comment
charlesphoto Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Whatever.... SERVER CLOSET (in office directly below living room stereo):NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule (Uptone LPS 1.2)> LIVING ROOM: Sonore opticalRendu Roon version (Sonore Power Supply)> Shunyata Venom USB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 160 Bolt Down>Chord Rumor 2>Audio Physic Compact Classics. OFFICE: opticalModule> Sonore microRendu 1.4> Matrix Mini-i Pro 3> Naim NAP 110>NACA5>KEF Ls50's. BJC 6a and Ghent Catsnake 6a JSSG ethernet; AC cables: Shunyata Venom NR V-10; Audience Forte F3; Ice Age copper/copper; Sean Jacobs CHC PowerBlack, Moon Audio DIN>RCA, USB A>C. Isolation: Herbie's Audio Lab. Link to comment
Speed Racer Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, MikeyFresh said: It is, I recommend making some additions to your Ignored members list, it will result in a palpable reduction in forum noise. It’s recommended that try to post something remotely on topic. Link to comment
Popular Post charlesphoto Posted December 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2017 Oh, I forgot the yawn.... Siltech817 and Cornan 2 SERVER CLOSET (in office directly below living room stereo):NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule (Uptone LPS 1.2)> LIVING ROOM: Sonore opticalRendu Roon version (Sonore Power Supply)> Shunyata Venom USB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 160 Bolt Down>Chord Rumor 2>Audio Physic Compact Classics. OFFICE: opticalModule> Sonore microRendu 1.4> Matrix Mini-i Pro 3> Naim NAP 110>NACA5>KEF Ls50's. BJC 6a and Ghent Catsnake 6a JSSG ethernet; AC cables: Shunyata Venom NR V-10; Audience Forte F3; Ice Age copper/copper; Sean Jacobs CHC PowerBlack, Moon Audio DIN>RCA, USB A>C. Isolation: Herbie's Audio Lab. Link to comment
Ralf11 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 14 minutes ago, plissken said: Cookie included. Is it organic? Sustainably harvested by a Co-operative? Link to comment
plissken Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, charlesphoto said: Whatever.... Talk is cheap and business is brisk with the subjective crowd here. Btw my $2000 to anyones $200 plus expenses paid by the loser is, and always has been, on the table here. Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted December 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, plissken said: People espousing absolute rubbish does no one any good. Hobby or not. I seriously doubt that you have managed to convince even a single member, that they imagined the differences that they reported hearing. MikeyFresh, Cornan, Siltech817 and 2 others 1 2 2 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
plissken Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, sandyk said: I seriously doubt that you have managed to convince even a single member, that they imagined the differences that they reported hearing. I've managed to keep my $2000 and see how many loud mouth schnooks tuck tail. Link to comment
Popular Post sandyk Posted December 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2017 Just now, plissken said: Talk is cheap and business is brisk with the subjective crowd here. Btw my $2000 to anyones $200 plus expenses paid by the loser is, and always has been, on the table here. And as usual, it is being ignored by virtually all members. t_ram, MikeyFresh, FelipeRolim and 2 others 2 3 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Siltech817 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 23 minutes ago, plissken said: business is brisk with the subjective crowd here No, I think not. Many have posted their personal experiences here, and also 100% ignored your tired beaten to death know it all stance. Pat yourself on the back, you might just be the most abrasive, rude, condescending, predictable, and repetitive member of this forum. FelipeRolim 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Siltech817 Posted December 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2017 25 minutes ago, plissken said: I've managed to keep my $2000 Why not increase it to $20,000 then? Because no one cares, so it doesn't matter what wager you propose, does it? t_ram, sandyk and FelipeRolim 2 1 Link to comment
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