Nativ: High-Res Music System & Touchscreen Control

[brucknerdoc]

5 minutes ago, Charente said:

Thank-you @brucknerdoc ... does the Vita offer QOBUZ implementation ? Also, you say that the software is 'in its infancy stages' ... do you mean some functionality is missing ? Do they provide regular updates (presumably online) ?

Yes - there are a couple dozen music services integrated, Qobuz is one of them.

The software seems to be on a every 2 months schedule - the last in October finally added DSD playback and metadata editing. Basic functionality is there.

Updates can be done online or via USB

The remaining components were supposed to ship "mid-Nov" - but like most of these campaigns, don't hold your breath... ;-)

[astrotoy]

2 hours ago, brucknerdoc said:

I've been an original backer of the Nativ campaign since it appeared on Indiegogo and confirm that unlike similar high-end offerings by the likes of LH Labs, the Vita is not vaporware - I have one on my desktop currently. That $699 price was their "super early bird" offering at campaign launch - this gradually increased until their $1099 price for the 2TB model, $1199 for 4TB, $1598 for 2TB SSD, and $1898 for complete system (Vita, Wave [dac], Pulse [power supply]) - there is also a CD ripper. Curious that this promotion also has graduating prices.

 

Only complaint: besides the Vita and remote, nothing else is available. The Vita is reliably built and a solid performer - albeit still in it's infancy stages from a software standpoint. Good integration with Roon and music services like Tidal. It's a nice LCD frontend.

 

HTH -

 

Thanks, much appreciated. 

[astrotoy]

I just tried to put in an order for the Nativ Vita.  I started with the coupon for $699 and that was not accepted.  I then put progressively coupons for purchase at higher prices and none of the coupons were accepted. So either the coupons aren't working or they have sold all the units available at the discount prices. So I was left with just the full price unit. Since there is no time urgency, I decided to wait for more info or another sale.

 

Larry

[Charente]

That's disappointing. 

[astrotoy]

On 11/26/2017 at 12:20 PM, Charente said:

That's disappointing. 

I got an email from Sally of Nativ and told her that the coupons didn't work.  She said to try again with NTV800, and I used NTV800 and got a unit for $799 ($800 discount) just now. Including fast shipping was $859.  She emailed back and said it should be shipping the first week of December.     Larry 

[beerandmusic]

3 hours ago, astrotoy said:

I got an email from Sally of Nativ and told her that the coupons didn't work.  She said to try again with NTV800, and I used NTV800 and got a unit for $799 ($800 discount) just now. Including fast shipping was $859.  She emailed back and said it should be shipping the first week of December.     Larry 

hahaha...i did same thing yesterday...just another new toy to try (wink)

[Charente]

I would be interested in both your impressions of this unit !

[R1200CL]

On 28.11.2017 at 2:28 AM, beerandmusic said:

hahaha...i did same thing yesterday...just another new toy to try (wink)

 

Have you been toying around ? ?

[beerandmusic]

1 hour ago, R1200CL said:

 

Have you been toying around ? ?

when they told me they had to delay shipment a 2nd time, i cancelled...but i have been in contact with salesperson, and they said they will extend the offer to me once back orders are filled.  They said they have started to fill back orders and they would be back in contact with me in a few more weeks....we will see if they keep their promise...

 

 

[beerandmusic]

On 11/27/2017 at 2:14 PM, astrotoy said:

I got an email from Sally of Nativ and told her that the coupons didn't work.  She said to try again with NTV800, and I used NTV800 and got a unit for $799 ($800 discount) just now. Including fast shipping was $859.  She emailed back and said it should be shipping the first week of December.     Larry 

 

Have you heard anything new?

 

[franz159]

...feeling of a dejà vu here....

 

My Olive One is beautiful to look at and sounds good.... but my raspberry with Moode, connected to my 100$ TDA1541 Dac, is much more felxible, sounds better and costs less.... and it has been available for the past two years!

[brucknerdoc]

On 1/12/2018 at 3:10 AM, beerandmusic said:

 

Have you heard anything new?

 

My last email with Sally this week claims shipping by the end of January. Of course, there have been other dates that have come and gone, so we'll see...

[beerandmusic]

11 hours ago, brucknerdoc said:

My last email with Sally this week claims shipping by the end of January. Of course, there have been other dates that have come and gone, so we'll see...

do me a favor and respond back when you here it has been shipped...

[astrotoy]

On 1/12/2018 at 12:10 AM, beerandmusic said:

 

Have you heard anything new?

 

My CC was charged at the beginning of Dec.  Haven't heard anything since.    Larry

[beerandmusic]

17 hours ago, astrotoy said:

My CC was charged at the beginning of Dec.  Haven't heard anything since.    Larry

i cancelled and asked for refund after they past their date twice....not sure i trust the company...i hope so, as i am still hoping to try one, but don't know if they can be trusted anymore.

[astrotoy]

15 hours ago, beerandmusic said:

i cancelled and asked for refund after they past their date twice....not sure i trust the company...i hope so, as i am still hoping to try one, but don't know if they can be trusted anymore.

Thanks.  I also have my doubts.  SInce I used my CC, I could dispute the charge if they didn't refund.  Not sure about deadlines.  They said they would be shipping in December.   Larry

[beerandmusic]

14 hours ago, astrotoy said:

Thanks.  I also have my doubts.  SInce I used my CC, I could dispute the charge if they didn't refund.  Not sure about deadlines.  They said they would be shipping in December.   Larry

i would contact them and ask if they will be shipping any day that you heard from someone else that they are now shipping backorders.  if they can't commit a date, i would think seriously about asking for refund.

[brucknerdoc]

3 hours ago, beerandmusic said:

i would contact them and ask if they will be shipping any day that you heard from someone else that they are now shipping backorders.  if they can't commit a date, i would think seriously about asking for refund.

As a supporter of this project on IGG since early 2016, this company is like many of these crowd-funded projects: starting up with a plan and can't stay on target. Caught up in an endless path of adding/modifying features, by the time they reach the original planned shipping date, they haven't even finished development. The worse case of this is the Light Harmonics Lab projects which have denied backers fulfillment of any product YEARS after funding, and have little hope of ever making good.

However, Nativ has been somewhat more forthcoming with their updates and responses - has delivered on some of their components, like the Vita - so I remain somewhat more hopeful of seeing the final product...eventually.

But, unlike a real venture, Nativ's product remains in development and production even after they've taken our money. As a backer, I am unable to obtain a refund (only few of these crowd-funding projects even offer this). If you are purchasing from them now, realize they are giving you a discount over the final retail cost to help fund their current development and production.

It's a shitty business model that I no longer participate in - out of dozens I backed when this crowd-funding "craze" started years ago, only a few concluded without drama. But unlike LH Labs - which I believe to be incompetent and dishonest - my sense of what is going on at Nativ is more positive, but still unlikely to remain committed to absolute deadlines.

[beerandmusic]

On 1/16/2018 at 3:59 AM, brucknerdoc said:

As a supporter of this project on IGG since early 2016, this company is like many of these crowd-funded projects: starting up with a plan and can't stay on target. Caught up in an endless path of adding/modifying features, by the time they reach the original planned shipping date, they haven't even finished development. The worse case of this is the Light Harmonics Lab projects which have denied backers fulfillment of any product YEARS after funding, and have little hope of ever making good.

However, Nativ has been somewhat more forthcoming with their updates and responses - has delivered on some of their components, like the Vita - so I remain somewhat more hopeful of seeing the final product...eventually.

But, unlike a real venture, Nativ's product remains in development and production even after they've taken our money. As a backer, I am unable to obtain a refund (only few of these crowd-funding projects even offer this). If you are purchasing from them now, realize they are giving you a discount over the final retail cost to help fund their current development and production.

It's a shitty business model that I no longer participate in - out of dozens I backed when this crowd-funding "craze" started years ago, only a few concluded without drama. But unlike LH Labs - which I believe to be incompetent and dishonest - my sense of what is going on at Nativ is more positive, but still unlikely to remain committed to absolute deadlines.

 

Hi, just curious if you recieved yours yet? 

I just got an offer to buy one at the promo rate and they said they are NOW SHIPPING and have current stock.  Have you got yours and are you happy?

 

[beerandmusic]

On 1/15/2018 at 9:32 AM, astrotoy said:

Thanks.  I also have my doubts.  SInce I used my CC, I could dispute the charge if they didn't refund.  Not sure about deadlines.  They said they would be shipping in December.   Larry

Hi, just curious if you recieved yours yet? 

I just got an offer to buy one at the promo rate and they said they are NOW SHIPPING and have current stock.  Have you got yours and are you happy?

[Spacehound]

 I was wondering what happened to this gadget.

 

All very pretty but like all these things it's very limited and does nothing that a computer can't do. And if you think a computer is 'ugly' put it out of sight and just use an iPad as a remote for JRiver, Tidal,  or whatever

[brucknerdoc]

1 hour ago, beerandmusic said:

 

Hi, just curious if you recieved yours yet? 

I just got an offer to buy one at the promo rate and they said they are NOW SHIPPING and have current stock.  Have you got yours and are you happy?

 

The only components that have shipped are the Vita and remote.

My last email exchange with Sally a few weeks ago promised a ship date for the rest "right before Chinese New Year" - mid-Feb - pushed back (yet again) from Jan 22...

[beerandmusic]

1 minute ago, brucknerdoc said:

The only components that have shipped are the Vita and remote.

My last email exchange with Sally a few weeks ago promised a ship date for the rest "right before Chinese New Year" - mid-Feb - pushed back (yet again) from Jan 22...

oh, so you HAVE recieved your vita?

How do you like it?

Have you had chance to compare it to a rendu or sotm?

[brucknerdoc]

Yes - have had the Vita for a while, the remote came later - I've posted about them earlier in this thread.

The Vita is well made, but a work in progress - they update their software to add features - so I expect much more to come as the other components are added.

It's a nice front-end to library access, including online services. But I haven't used it too much since my system already contains full components - and I'm waiting to integrate the entire Nativ system before using it extensively.

[beerandmusic]

19 minutes ago, brucknerdoc said:

Yes - have had the Vita for a while, the remote came later - I've posted about them earlier in this thread.

The Vita is well made, but a work in progress - they update their software to add features - so I expect much more to come as the other components are added.

It's a nice front-end to library access, including online services. But I haven't used it too much since my system already contains full components - and I'm waiting to integrate the entire Nativ system before using it extensively.

ok thanks...

have you tried any other network players or streamers?

I am going to play with my new ND8006 for the next week and decide if i want to try the nativ then.