Jud Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Just a query, people who do not believe that cables make a difference at any level, what is your strand count? Are you using bell wire or something better and if your not using bell wire, what has made you decide on this process if cables do not make a difference For me, it's my choice and I know what I like and especially what I don't like in a sound. It's taken me over 20 years to get something as musical as I own I've been down the DSD camp and upsampling everything and gone back to just leaving the music alone with out and sampling. As for cables, I've heard cables costing over £100k in a system worth £50k and when it's been reverted to its ordinary cables, which are still worth a few grand, it sounded lifeless and very boring The other brilliant thing our ears is once we are used to the sound, we forget what it once heard from that same system As for my system, it's good enough for my ears and practical enough for my needs too. Like most, it's a compromise, but I feel it's a good one to compete some systems costing twice it's price by matching things right and yes using the best cables without going to daft Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile My "strand count" is 2 per cable (for analog interconnects). Does this get me to the cool kids' lunch table? One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Shanepj Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Another fact is that science cannot answer everything we experience from music. If it could they'd be able to figure out what's happening in the mind when it goes wrong! People out there are not giving their body and brain enough credit. Just put some music on, sit back and enjoy Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Teresa 1 Link to comment
Jud Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Another fact is that science cannot answer everything we experience from music. If it could they'd be able to figure out what's happening in the mind when it goes wrong! People out there are not giving their body and brain enough credit. Just put some music on, sit back and enjoy Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile You're not giving science enough credit. For the recommendation to sit back and enjoy some music, amen. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Shanepj Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 My "strand count" is 2 per cable (for analog interconnects). [ATTACH=CONFIG]33804[/ATTACH] Does this get me to the cool kids' lunch table? They look like "food icing bags" with "tinfoil in the middle", but very cool at the same time. Mine are solid core, so only one cable per channel. I'm guessing that yours have an approximately diameter is about 4mm each (if the were melted into a solid core), which is right for speaker cable. I know that's what mine is. Again, even if this cable was about £2.50pm (which I'm guessing it isn't going on the plugs), 4mm is a great starting point and anyone looking to hear the difference should start with this more than the brand name. Don't worry about whether it's multi-strand, all it has to be is nice grade copper Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Link to comment
Jud Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 They look like "food icing bags" with "tinfoil in the middle", but very cool at the same time. Mine are solid core, so only one cable per channel. I'm guessing that yours have an approximately diameter is about 4mm each (if the were melted into a solid core), which is right for speaker cable. I know that's what mine is. Again, even if this cable was about £2.50pm (which I'm guessing it isn't going on the plugs), 4mm is a great starting point and anyone looking to hear the difference should start with this more than the brand name. Don't worry about whether it's multi-strand, all it has to be is nice grade copper Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Off by about a factor of 10 - slightly less than .4mm equivalent diameter (just over 15 thousandths of an inch, a little less than 26 gauge equivalent). Edit: I think even with solid core, you need both ground and signal for each channel, so you also have (at least) two strands. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Shanepj Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 You're not giving science enough credit. For the recommendation to sit back and enjoy some music, amen. Yes I am, 4 months ago, I had what looked like a stroke or brain bleed, happily, neither had happened, yet I'm still recovering in the same fashion with no answers and medical science doesn't know how or why it has happened and are blaming it one the software side. So, how can science know when they cannot even tell me what wrong with myself? Your giving them too much credit Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Teresa 1 Link to comment
Jud Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Yes I am, 4 months ago, I had what looked like a stroke or brain bleed, happily, neither had happened, yet I'm still recovering in the same fashion with no answers and medical science doesn't know how or why it has happened and are blaming it one the software side. So, how can science know when they cannot even tell me what wrong with myself? Your giving them too much credit Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile They know a little more about how the brain responds to music than you're giving them credit for. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Shanepj Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 They know a little more about how the brain responds to music than you're giving them credit for. Until your sitting where I am and hear the stories, they no as much about how the brain really works as we understand what an animal is trying to say with our language gaps. It's why medical science is asking for brain donors again for people in my situation which I'm being told is as many as people with Parkinson and MS! Now, don't get me wrong, I've been looked after by many people who I'm very grateful too. Again though, no-one knows everything or has the answers to everything and why something's happen! Those who think they do really only see in black and white which again is a whole other subject [emoji12] Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Teresa 1 Link to comment
Jud Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 Until your sitting where I am and hear the stories, they no as much about how the brain really works as we understand what an animal is trying to say with our language gaps. It's why medical science is asking for brain donors again for people in my situation which I'm being told is as many as people with Parkinson and MS! Now, don't get me wrong, I've been looked after by many people who I'm very grateful too. Again though, no-one knows everything or has the answers to everything and why something's happen! Those who think they do really only see in black and white which again is a whole other subject [emoji12] Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile https://www.amazon.com/Playing-Ponies-Medical-Mysteries-Solved/dp/0813570557/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488568903&sr=8-1&keywords=playing+the+ponies+and+other+medical+mysteries+solved Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 My "strand count" is 2 per cable (for analog interconnects). [ATTACH=CONFIG]33804[/ATTACH] Does this get me to the cool kids' lunch table? To understand Jud's interconnects you have to know they were a therapy project from Nurse Ratched during his last R&R "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Karey Mullis Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 For those who may be interested in reading a short article that summarizes recent fMRI data on music perception by the brain - http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/48622/title/Infographic--Mapping-Musicality/ See article for higher quality figure. For a longer, more general review article describing experiments that attempt to elucidate human musicality - http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/48593/title/Understanding-the-Roots-of-Human-Musicality/ “Jokes of the proper kind, properly told, can do more to enlighten questions of politics, philosophy, and literature than any number of dull arguments.” -I.A. Link to comment
bobbmd Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 That 'strand count' picture looks like something from an ICU where the number of lines going into a patient is inversely proportional to survival does the same hold true for SQ/soundstage? Link to comment
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