alfe Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 In 1998 first time the word bit-perfect was used, created by Philips marketing. And since that... click to enlarge Link to comment
Paul R Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 In 1998 first time the word bit-perfect was used, created by Philips marketing.And since that... [ATTACH=CONFIG]28289[/ATTACH] click to enlarge Ummm... Myself and ohers used the term "bit perfect" in relation to data transmissions and backups in the late 1970's, and I am sure it was in common usage well before that. Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
alfe Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Ummm... Myself and ohers used the term "bit perfect" in relation to data transmissions and backups in the late 1970's, and I am sure it was in common usage well before that. Paul, I linked the manual of the first audio product where bit perfect was used, so please do the same and find me a document of the late 80's in the data transmissions world. May be it's time for you to ask for royalties Link to comment
Paul R Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Paul, I linked the manual of the first audio product where bit perfect was used, so please do the same and find me a document of the late 80's in the data transmissions world. May be it's time for you to ask for royalties Well, you know, the earliest reference I could find was in a 1956 RAMAC 305 disk manual, and it was "bit for bit perfect copies." Not sure if that counts, so I'll concede here. -Paul Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
esldude Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 First you two must come to some understanding as to whether bit perfect, bit-perfect or bitperfect are all equivalent or not? And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
alfe Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 First you two must come to some understanding as to whether bit perfect, bit-perfect or bitperfect are all equivalent or not? In any case they should be crucified if they are perfect. Link to comment
rlow Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Hi Abtr. This is quite a thread. There is no possible way I will have time to read through it all (nor follow the majority of it!). I'm personally looking at purchasing a MF MX-DAC, and wondering if in the end you figured out your SQ issues were due to electrical grounding problems? FYI I would be feeding my MX-DAC USB via Microrendu, not direct from PC, so maybe avoiding that potential issue? Thanks Link to comment
Abtr Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 Hi Abtr. This is quite a thread. There is no possible way I will have time to read through it all (nor follow the majority of it!). I'm personally looking at purchasing a MF MX-DAC, and wondering if in the end you figured out your SQ issues were due to electrical grounding problems? FYI I would be feeding my MX-DAC USB via Microrendu, not direct from PC, so maybe avoiding that potential issue? Thanks Hi Rlow, No need to read the whole thread. The problem was some electrical ground loop or noise. I basically lifted mains ground for all audio gear and the problem was solved. And, in my system, the Intona USB isolator makes an audible difference, but with your Microrendu galvanic isolation may not be necessary. By the way, the MX-DAC is a fine DAC but I recently bought a Shiit Modi Multibit and I prefer it over the MX-DAC soundwise. The Shiit is a real bargain. Current audio system Link to comment
rlow Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Thanks for getting back to me! Don't want to turn this into a DAC comparison thread, but what aspects of the sound in particular do you prefer with the Schiit? Link to comment
Abtr Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 I've compared the Modi Multibit with the MX-DAC in several different audio systems and regardless of using USB or S/PDIF input, I would describe the Multibit as more natural, or analog sounding than the MX-DAC. And the Schiit is definitely more resolving; you will hear more/better detail and separation. I didn't try the balanced output of the MX-DAC.. Current audio system Link to comment
rlow Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Perfect thanks again...now I will have to look into the Schiit DAC as well. Shocked that their lowest end DAC was that much better than the MX-DAC (to your ears at least) Link to comment
yrrah Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 I don't know the Schiit but as a mx-dac user (in my headphone rig) I have to say the balanced output sounds great, especially with DSD. Sent from my iPad using Computer Audiophile Link to comment
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