plissken Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Hmmmm. EE's in the AudioStream comments section are taking the interview to task. Gordon Rankin among them. Gee, I wonder where else I have seen other EE's take issue... PLEASE keep providing me with links. Link to comment
Jud Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Hmmmm. EE's in the AudioStream comments section are taking the interview to task. Gordon Rankin among them. Gee, I wonder where else I have seen other EE's take issue... PLEASE keep providing me with links. Gordon's comment is well worth reading. I'll leave it to others to assess whether the characterization of Gordon "taking the interview to task" rings true to them. Gordon also says FLAC sounds better than WAV in that comment. I didn't know you believed in that stuff. Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical to EtherREGEN -> microRendu -> ISO Regen -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
plissken Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Gordon's comment is well worth reading. I'll leave it to others to assess whether the characterization of Gordon "taking the interview to task" rings true to them. Gordon also says FLAC sounds better than WAV in that comment. I didn't know you believed in that stuff. Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Here is a part of one of his comments: "I sent a email to John Atkinson and Charlie Hansen saying I give up what's making the applications sound different or for that matter file type sound different. To me my research showed that more processing made for worse sound. That is why an ALAC or FLAC file will not sound as good as a flat PCM file like AIFF/WAV does." So he didn't actually say what you think he said. While you have others like JRiver and Foobar creators saying bit streamed audio will sound the same. I personally have never heard one bit stream sound any different than the same bit stream from one application to another. Storage is also cheap so I store all my content in it's native format. I personally have never experienced an audible difference on modern hardware when it comes to the unpackaging of wav out of a flac container. Link to comment
YashN Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 So I read the 3 part interview. Where does Swenson provide a point that supports your unsubstantiated claim? Read more carefully. Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
plissken Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Read more carefully. Either you can support your point or you can't. Link to comment
Jud Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Here is a part of one of his comments: "I sent a email to John Atkinson and Charlie Hansen saying I give up what's making the applications sound different or for that matter file type sound different. To me my research showed that more processing made for worse sound. That is why an ALAC or FLAC file will not sound as good as a flat PCM file like AIFF/WAV does." So he didn't actually say what you think he said. While you have others like JRiver and Foobar creators saying bit streamed audio will sound the same. I personally have never heard one bit stream sound any different than the same bit stream from one application to another. Storage is also cheap so I store all my content in it's native format. I personally have never experienced an audible difference on modern hardware when it comes to the unpackaging of wav out of a flac container. You're right, I typed the exact opposite of what I intended to say. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical to EtherREGEN -> microRendu -> ISO Regen -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
YashN Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Either you can support your point or you can't. Either you can understand John Swenson or you can't. Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
plissken Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Either you can understand John Swenson or you can't. Oh, I understand what he's saying. It's just I don't think he's 100% correct in his assessment. In another thread here he's brought up the variable voltage that Ethernet PHY's can work at. This principal is applied in 'Green' Ethernet switches where they can apply variable voltage to each port based on the length of cable each port drives. He is postulating that these differences could be existent in different cables in various ways depending on that cables properties and therefore possibly, somehow, matriculate to a DAC. Ergo different cables could have a 'signature'. It's something that I discount 99.9% because the driving voltage, using his #, is 50ma max. What ever induced current this places on the Mainboard ground plane is going to get swamped out by so many other, much higher speed and current draw busses. And it's super easy to test. Link to comment
blownsi Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 A really good resource is BackBlazes quarterly releases of how their arrays with consumer hard drives are doing. https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-q3-2015/ A Weibull distribution reliability curve use over time: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxBp8Vkho2pIejNTM2JWU0hpdEk/view?pref=2&pli=1 Wow it sure looks like those WD Reds that lots of people rave about aren't doing too well. Link to comment
miguelito Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Wow it sure looks like those WD Reds that lots of people rave about aren't doing too well.I've been using WD Reds in both a mac pro and a fanless OWC enclosure (the latter with my music mini). Super silent, cool, and no issues at all. PS: Obviously I am going to get back home to burning drives now that I've said this! NUC10i7 + ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Clock SME 20/3 + SME V 9” + Dynavector XV-1s > vdH The Grail Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
plissken Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Wow it sure looks like those WD Reds that lots of people rave about aren't doing too well. Trust me. Hard data like this will be lost on some since not everything that matters can be 'measured'. wgscott 1 Link to comment
plissken Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Read more carefully. How about this. Since computer based systems are buffered. I.E. you can pull the plug and the music will still play. I've got $1000 that says you can't hit 9 out of 10 on a system where I can simply put the wireless adapter into airplane mode. You should be able to tell since you seem to have it all figured out. Link to comment
Shanepj Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I use a small ssd toshiba q300 pro and a pair of x300 5tb drives I'd say the large drives are audible with the spin so I got a SENDA shock proof holders which have isolated them from the chassis One thing to be aware of is I can hear the difference between flac and wav files, others who hear them cannot hear more sound coming from the sky box than my pc when running Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile Link to comment
plissken Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I use a small ssd toshiba q300 pro and a pair of x300 5tb drives I'd say the large drives are audible with the spin so I got a SENDA shock proof holders which have isolated them from the chassis One thing to be aware of is I can hear the difference between flac and wav files, others who hear them cannot hear more sound coming from the sky box than my pc when running Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile This is the reason I purchased a NETGEAR ReadyNAS. It takes all those issues and moves them out of the room. Link to comment
Nouchka Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Hi, Does someone have the experience of using an USB drive on a good USB Card (for example Jcat) instead of an SSD drive for music data storage? Thanks in advance, CAT Link to comment
pam1975 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 hi, on the same topic, would an external drive like a Transcend ESD400 (it's a portable external SSD drive) work to store my music outside of my NUC? Link to comment
plissken Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 10 hours ago, pam1975 said: hi, on the same topic, would an external drive like a Transcend ESD400 (it's a portable external SSD drive) work to store my music outside of my NUC? For $200 you could get the Western Digital 4TB Cloud Drive and a Router and move everything way out side of your listening environment. Use wireless to provide physical isolation. All the benefits of Fiber plus you don't have to worry about potential noise of a Fiber to Copper converter that has it's own noisy SMPS as the wireless will be powered by the NUC itself so it's wireless is as clean as the entire computers. Link to comment
pam1975 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 2 hours ago, plissken said: For $200 you could get the Western Digital 4TB Cloud Drive and a Router and move everything way out side of your listening environment. Use wireless to provide physical isolation. All the benefits of Fiber plus you don't have to worry about potential noise of a Fiber to Copper converter that has it's own noisy SMPS as the wireless will be powered by the NUC itself so it's wireless is as clean as the entire computers. so my nuc is connected wirelessly to the WD cloud drive, correct? and the performance of data transmission wouldn't cause potential dropouts? I had not heard of such a set-up before. Interesting. Link to comment
Nouchka Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 15 minutes ago, pam1975 said: so my nuc is connected wirelessly to the WD cloud drive, correct? and the performance of data transmission wouldn't cause potential dropouts? I had not heard of such a set-up before. Interesting. Yes you are correct, wireless is not good for audio... This is time sensitive and wireless is not designed for time sensitive applications Link to comment
plissken Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, Nouchka said: Yes you are correct, wireless is not good for audio... This is time sensitive and wireless is not designed for time sensitive applications Wireless is great for audio. Mere playback is not time sensitive as it is for real-time monitoring when you are recording a musician. I shot a video and posted it hear years ago where I started playback, put the wireless adapter in airplane mode, and it played for 15 seconds after downing the adapter. Very timing insensitive as a matter of proof. Link to comment
plissken Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 33 minutes ago, pam1975 said: so my nuc is connected wirelessly to the WD cloud drive, correct? and the performance of data transmission wouldn't cause potential dropouts? I had not heard of such a set-up before. Interesting. You haven't heard of people using their laptops, tablet, phones, and desktops with a wireless Ethernet adapter? The WD Cloud Drive would be connected to a network switch and the Router becomes and Access Point also connected to the switch. Link to comment
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