The Computer Audiophile Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Schiit claims Yggdrasil has to be turned on for a week for its best sound. Are you going to wait for a week for Yggdrasil, Chris? The sound after waiting a little while was fantastic. Looking forward to next week as well :~) Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
ChrisG Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Yggy changes quite a bit over the first week...for the betta! ChrisG Bend, OR Link to comment
Jimmypowder Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 That is really impressive! Looks like 21 bits is good enough for good sound. Very very few recordings are true 24 bit . Link to comment
Jud Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Very very few recordings are true 24 bit . There's no system capable of rendering a 24 bit dynamic range. 20-21 bits gets down into the thermal noise of the electronics. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jimmypowder Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 There's no system capable of rendering a 24 bit dynamic range. 20-21 bits gets down into the thermal noise of the electronics. Very true Link to comment
Wfojas Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 When its warmed up already (200 hours, some say), listen and switch over to the BNC or AES/EBU if you can. Its supposed to sound its best then. Not sure if that's the last veil, though. Looking forward to your postings in a week, or so. Link to comment
Mir Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 After a good warm up (a week or so), there is a measurable difference in ultra low jitter performance (pretty much floored the capability of measuring equipment): yggdrasil technical measurements - Page 3 Computer Audio Reference Link to comment
firedog Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Very very few recordings are true 24 bit . Again, let's not confuse dynamic range of the equipment with bit rate of the recording. Not the same thing. Yggy and plenty of other DACs can playback 24 bit recordings. Basically no DAC has dynamic range greater than 21 bits, for the reason Jud stated above. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
4est Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I struggle with buying anything I cannot pronounce! Jealous? Who me? Schiit yes! If I weren't off the merry-go-round I'd be all over that Yggy. Forrest: Win10 i9 9900KS/GTX1060 HQPlayer4>Win10 NAA DSD>Pavel's DSC2.6>Bent Audio TAP> Parasound JC1>"Naked" Quad ESL63/Tannoy PS350B subs<100Hz Link to comment
Laowei Steve Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 After the Yggy burns in and you are comfortable with the sound, then add a Regen to the mix. Link to comment
Jud Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I struggle with buying anything I cannot pronounce! How hard would it be for you to say "Lamborghini"? One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Audio_ELF Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 How hard would it be for you to say "Lamborghini"? Lamborghini is easy to say ... Egoista is more difficult. That's why I want an Aston Martin. Eloise --- ...in my opinion / experience... While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing. And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism. keep your mind open... But mind your brain doesn't fall out. Link to comment
Blizzard Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Lamborghini is easy to say ... Egoista is more difficult. That's why I want an Aston Martin. You want an Aston Martin because your British. Link to comment
Audio_ELF Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 You want an Aston Martin because your British. Well that too... Eloise --- ...in my opinion / experience... While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing. And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism. keep your mind open... But mind your brain doesn't fall out. Link to comment
Foggie Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 After the Yggy burns in and you are comfortable with the sound, then add a Regen to the mix. There is no burn in per se, it just needs to be powered on (and left on) for a number of days (4 +/-) My rig Link to comment
Laowei Steve Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 There is no burn in per se, it just needs to be powered on (and left on) for a number of days (4 +/-) Pedant much? Link to comment
YashN Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Lamborghini is easy to say ... Egoista is more difficult. That's why I want an Aston Martin. I just say 'Countach!'. I'm not too difficult. Dedicated Line DSD/DXD | Audirvana+ | iFi iDSD Nano | SET Tube Amp | Totem Mites Surround: VLC | M-Audio FastTrack Pro | Mac Opt | Panasonic SA-HE100 | Logitech Z623 DIY: SET Tube Amp | Low-Noise Linear Regulated Power Supply | USB, Power, Speaker Cables | Speaker Stands | Acoustic Panels Link to comment
gefski Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 For me, Yggy break-in was crazy. Performance was "good" for about 300 hrs (150ish playing music). I've "somewhat" believed in break-in before, but in the past it's been "yeah, I think I hear a difference now". In this case, however, a switch was flipped, taking me instantly to truth of timbre in real space. Never before did a component say "OK, now I'm ready, let's listen to music". Which I am now doing, re-listening to everything. Link to comment
kilroy Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 For me, Yggy break-in was crazy. Performance was "good" for about 300 hrs (150ish playing music). I've "somewhat" believed in break-in before, but in the past it's been "yeah, I think I hear a difference now". In this case, however, a switch was flipped, taking me instantly to truth of timbre in real space. Never before did a component say "OK, now I'm ready, let's listen to music". Which I am now doing, re-listening to everything. If you have a lot of experience with this DAC, maybe you could tell us a little more about it. Without any spoiler alert so we can still enjoy Chris' review. Just to start the salivation... Link to comment
gefski Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 If you have a lot of experience with this DAC, maybe you could tell us a little more about it. Without any spoiler alert so we can still enjoy Chris' review. Just to start the salivation... Just getting into jotting impressions, so it will be a week or so. Thanks for the interest! Link to comment
photonblur Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 For me, Yggy break-in was crazy. Performance was "good" for about 300 hrs (150ish playing music). I've "somewhat" believed in break-in before, but in the past it's been "yeah, I think I hear a difference now". In this case, however, a switch was flipped, taking me instantly to truth of timbre in real space. Never before did a component say "OK, now I'm ready, let's listen to music". Which I am now doing, re-listening to everything. 300 hr. break-in=12.5 days. Rather schiity return policy is 15 days w/5% restock + shipping. Definite potential for some excitement. pb- Link to comment
Foggie Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Pedant much? Umm, nope. Just that there are a million Yggy burn in / power on questions ad nauseam. They mean different things to different people. Really wasn't trying to be overly critical. Ooy. My rig Link to comment
PorkChop Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Best FAQs ever! Schiit Audio, Headphone amps and DACs made in USA. (click FAQ tab under picture). Link to comment
toast Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Aren't we audiophiles a finicky bunch. First I was saving my money for a 2Qute DAC then out of nowhere Mike Moffat, seemingly overnight, achieves Guru status with a statement product that opens up another portal to musical bliss. So far I have $1,137 saved up for my next DAC. Now I have to decide on buying the reasonable priced Gungnir multibit or continue saving for the whole enchilada, the Yggy. By the way, I reward myself $150 per month for getting my ass up for work every morning. Audio is how I choose to spend those disposable entertainment dollars. I'd like to wish Mike Moffat and Jason Stoddard all the best. 2 Ch stereo Auralic Aries>Wireworld AES>Kitsune Holo Spring DAC L3>Van Den Hul-The Second balance cable>Sonic Euphoria (fully balance autoformer)>Van Den Hul-The Second balance cable>D-Sonic M3-1200S-A (Anaview AMS1000-2600)>Synergistic Tesla Accelerator cable>Ohm 3000 speakers plus Omni Harmonizer super tweeter Link to comment
JoeWhip Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Aren't we audiophiles a finicky bunch. First I was saving my money for a 2Qute DAC then out of nowhere Mike Moffat, seemingly overnight, achieves Guru status with a statement product that opens up another portal to musical bliss. So far I have $1,137 saved up for my next DAC. Now I have to decide on buying the reasonable priced Gungnir multibit or continue saving for the whole enchilada, the Yggy. By the way, I reward myself $150 per month for getting my ass up for work every morning. Audio is how I choose to spend those disposable entertainment dollars. I'd like to wish Mike Moffat and Jason Stoddard all the best. I upgraded my DS Gungnir to the Multibit and have had several opportunities to listen extensively to the Yggy. The Multibit or Gumby as it has been branded now gets you real close to the Yggy. We will put them head to head in another week or so to do a complete evaluation. So far, the best $500 I have spent on audio. $2,300.00 isn't horribly expensive in the hobby but $500 for the upgrade was a no brainer. Link to comment
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