Musicophile Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 Same for me, even though I had listened to half a dozen other versions before. I haven't listened to Watkin yet so cannot compare. So far, my personal ranking is: Starker on Mercury SACD Fournier on Tokyo FM SACD Navarra on Calliope-Kisselhoff SACD Tunnicliffe in 24/192 (Linn) Rysanov (viola) in 24/44.1 (BIS) Rostropovitch on EMI CD Wispelwey on EPR CD (2012) Wow, I've never dared to do a ranking. My previous favorite was Isserlis, but both Fournier and Starker are legendary classics. I've written about it here: Bach Cello Suites – Purity at the highest level | musicophilesblog – From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
PAP Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Slowest 1th Prelude ever:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL95vwU92qo Link to comment
PAP Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 But this is a bit tragic, last recording on the cello; David Watkin gives a definitive period instrument account of Bach’s six solo Cello Suites. It should be in any Bach lover’s collection. One can only marvel at Watkin’s range of colour, his elegance, his verve, variety and spontaneity – above all his understanding of line and pulse. He has long been one of the top cellists around, as soloist, quartet player and principal cellist of the Scottish Chamber Orchestra. This is his final statement as a soloist. A shoulder condition has forced him to stop playing. He will devote his energies, in part, to conducting. Whatever our regrets, we can expect this phenomenal musician to make a mark on the podium too. the guardian.Another version of the Cello suites - seriously? This one, as described on my blog, is really worth it. I really hope this will be my last version (probably until the next...) [ATTACH=CONFIG]20583[/ATTACH] Gramophone Award Nominees – Baroque Instrumental – A Quick Note Before It’s Too Late | musicophilesblog – from Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms It sounds really great as well, and is a genuine 24/96 recording. [ATTACH=CONFIG]20584[/ATTACH] Link to comment
Musicophile Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 But this is a bit tragic, last recording on the cello; the guardian. Well, at least the Bach suites are a nice closing statement. Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
JoeWhip Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Check out Anne Gastinel. A beautifully recorded CD with exquisite playing. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000YQ8B2E?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00 Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 To those already mentioned I would add recordings from Bylsma. I like Wispelwey recordings as well, preferring second from Channel Classics. Schiff and Queyras, by different reasons. Link to comment
lkypeter Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 We have Pablo Casal to thank for turning this otherwise obscure suites into a block buster. His recording of it is available but in mono transferred from 78 rpm vinyl. Gradient Revolution mk iv Active Speakers, Gradient Stealth DAC, SOTM SMS200 Network Player, Synology DS 1817+ NAS as filer server, Jriver MC23 OSX as Music Server Software, Mac Mini 2011 as Music Server, JRemote on IOS as Remote Controller Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 We have Pablo Casal to thank for turning this otherwise obscure suites into a block buster. His recording of it is available but in mono transferred from 78 rpm vinyl. Japanese label Opus Kura did a fine job here. Link to comment
miguelito Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 When I first heard Starker's performance on SACD it was a truly spiritual experience for me. I may check the new Watkin release one of these days... Starker on SACD is my favorite. I don't know if it is available as download. But I always enjoy other performers (assuming they are good!). NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
Jimmypowder Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Starker on SACD is my favorite. I don't know if it is available as download. But I always enjoy other performers (assuming they are good!). How could this possibly be better than Niki Minaj!!?? Link to comment
miguelito Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Starker is obviously a classic, and very well recorded. Watkin takes a slightly faster pace, but without feeling rushed at all. Between the two I'd chose Watkin. Very interesting... Your opinion matters a lot to me. BTW... I now remember I was never able to find Starker's in SACD and bought the 24/176 from hdtracks, which is surely ripped off of the SACD. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Same for me, even though I had listened to half a dozen other versions before. I haven't listened to Watkin yet so cannot compare. So far, my personal ranking is: Starker on Mercury SACD Fournier on Tokyo FM SACD Navarra on Calliope-Kisselhoff SACD Tunnicliffe in 24/192 (Linn) Rysanov (viola) in 24/44.1 (BIS) Rostropovitch on EMI CD Wispelwey on EPR CD (2012) This is totally awesome... I'm guessing you like this piece! NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 How could this possibly be better than Niki Minaj!!?? Jimmy sweetie darling... A plate of charcuterie is better than Niki. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
Jimmypowder Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Jimmy sweetie darling... A plate of charcuterie is better than Niki. Lol Link to comment
miguelito Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 But this is a bit tragic, last recording on the cello; the guardian. Just listened to Suite #1... Amazing... Inspiring... NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Same for me, even though I had listened to half a dozen other versions before. I haven't listened to Watkin yet so cannot compare. So far, my personal ranking is: Starker on Mercury SACD Fournier on Tokyo FM SACD Navarra on Calliope-Kisselhoff SACD Tunnicliffe in 24/192 (Linn) Rysanov (viola) in 24/44.1 (BIS) Rostropovitch on EMI CD Wispelwey on EPR CD (2012) What about Casals? NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 What about Casals? Casals archive recordings made suites famous, as already been told here and elsewhere. At the same time, Casals set a tradition of romantic approach to this pieces, which was followed and effectively depleted by mid-century performers. Fortunately, many wonderful sets from musicians who are searching new (or "new old") approaches are available. Fresh-air Thedeen and Beschi renditions, zen approach from ter Linden (stripped down Bach, nothing in a vein of Rostropovich over-emotional self-admiration), crafty delicateness of Jian Wang, gravity-free transparency of Queyras, playfulness and irony of Schiff. Link to comment
Musicophile Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share Posted October 3, 2015 Casals archive recordings made suites famous, as already been told here and elsewhere. At the same time, Casals set a tradition of romantic approach to this pieces, which was followed and effectively depleted by mid-century performers. Fortunately, many wonderful sets from musicians who are searching new (or "new old") approaches are available. Fresh-air Thedeen and Beschi renditions, zen approach from ter Linden (stripped down Bach, nothing in a vein of Rostropovich over-emotional self-admiration), crafty delicateness of Jian Wang, gravity-free transparency of Queyras, playfulness and irony of Schiff. Beautiful summary! Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
miguelito Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Casals archive recordings made suites famous, as already been told here and elsewhere. At the same time, Casals set a tradition of romantic approach to this pieces, which was followed and effectively depleted by mid-century performers. Fortunately, many wonderful sets from musicians who are searching new (or "new old") approaches are available. Fresh-air Thedeen and Beschi renditions, zen approach from ter Linden (stripped down Bach, nothing in a vein of Rostropovich over-emotional self-admiration), crafty delicateness of Jian Wang, gravity-free transparency of Queyras, playfulness and irony of Schiff. Great, thanks. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Great, thanks. Hope it will lead you to your own discoveries with this magical piece of music. Link to comment
Boris75 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 What about Casals? Strangely enough, I never bought it, perhaps because I fear the sound quality, for having listened to a few excerpts on FM radio. Link to comment
lkypeter Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 If I remember correctly, Starker and Wispelwey recorded it twice. Which recordings are we referring to in this case? Gradient Revolution mk iv Active Speakers, Gradient Stealth DAC, SOTM SMS200 Network Player, Synology DS 1817+ NAS as filer server, Jriver MC23 OSX as Music Server Software, Mac Mini 2011 as Music Server, JRemote on IOS as Remote Controller Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 If I remember correctly, Starker and Wispelwey recorded it twice. Which recordings are we referring to in this case? I believe at least 3 recordings of complete set from Starker are available presently, but he recorded it 4 or 5 times. However, listeners refer to his early recording on Mercury. His late recording for RCA is not so exciting, imho. Wispelwey recorded suites two times for Channel Classics and third time for some obscure label wich is called Evil Penguin. All three recordings are good, again, I believe most prefer second for Channel Classics from 1998. Link to comment
lkypeter Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Thanx. Been a while since I last listened to my collection of cello suites. Should put them into a playlist for comparative listening over the weekend with regular Coke with crush ice. Gradient Revolution mk iv Active Speakers, Gradient Stealth DAC, SOTM SMS200 Network Player, Synology DS 1817+ NAS as filer server, Jriver MC23 OSX as Music Server Software, Mac Mini 2011 as Music Server, JRemote on IOS as Remote Controller Link to comment
Boris75 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 If I remember correctly, Starker and Wispelwey recorded it twice. Which recordings are we referring to in this case? Starker: I am referring to his recording for Mercury, available on SACD. HDTracks sells a 176.4kHz 24bit SACD rip. Wispelwey: I am referring to his third recording, for Evil Penguin Records. Link to comment
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