Musicophile Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Another version of the Cello suites - seriously? This one, as described on my blog, is really worth it. I really hope this will be my last version (probably until the next...) Gramophone Award Nominees – Baroque Instrumental – A Quick Note Before It’s Too Late | musicophilesblog – from Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms It sounds really great as well, and is a genuine 24/96 recording. Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
Axiom05 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Where did you find the 24/96 download? I only found Redbook. Main System: [Synology DS216, Rpi-4b LMS (pCP)], Holo Audio Red, Ayre QX-5 Twenty, Ayre KX-5 Twenty, Ayre VX-5 Twenty, Revel Ultima Studio2, Iconoclast speaker cables & interconnects, RealTraps acoustic treatments Living Room: Sonore ultraRendu, Ayre QB-9DSD, Simaudio MOON 340iX, B&W 802 Diamond Link to comment
Musicophile Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Where did you find the 24/96 download? I only found Redbook. J.S. Bach: The Cello Suites par David Watkin*– Download and listen to the album http://www.hdtracks.com/david-watkin-j-s-bach-the-cello-suites Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
Axiom05 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Did not even think of looking for this one at HDTracks. Thanks. Main System: [Synology DS216, Rpi-4b LMS (pCP)], Holo Audio Red, Ayre QX-5 Twenty, Ayre KX-5 Twenty, Ayre VX-5 Twenty, Revel Ultima Studio2, Iconoclast speaker cables & interconnects, RealTraps acoustic treatments Living Room: Sonore ultraRendu, Ayre QB-9DSD, Simaudio MOON 340iX, B&W 802 Diamond Link to comment
Russell_L Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 It's also available directly from Resonus: J.S. Bach: Cello Suites | David Watkin | Resonus Classics MacBook Pro 2021 16” (M1 Pro, 16MB RAM, macOS Ventura) > Audirvana Origin > Pangea Audio USB-AG > Sony TA-ZH1ES > Nordost Heimdall 2 > Audeze LCD-3 Link to comment
jhwalker Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Where did you find the 24/96 download? I only found Redbook. Seems to be available at all the usual suspects: Here's the link for HDTracks: http://www.hdtracks.com/david-watkin-j-s-bach-the-cello-suites John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
bmoura Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 And there is the recording of Bach Cello Suites, Volume 1 by Joachim Eijlander on Navis Classics. Recorded and available in Stereo and Multichannel DSD 256. https://navisclassics.nativedsd.com/albums/nc15003bach-cello-suites-vol-1 Link to comment
Jud Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Yes, I like the Eijlander, it's very nice and beautifully recorded. The Watkin well deserves its award, though. I find myself listening to it over and over. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
jhwalker Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Yes, I like the Eijlander, it's very nice and beautifully recorded. The Watkin well deserves its award, though. I find myself listening to it over and over. There's something about the "vintage" cello sound that is enthralling, besides his rather sensitive performance. I find I enjoy Rachel Podger's recordings quite a bit, too - again, I think it's something about the combination of the (obviously) fine musicianship and the period instrument. John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
Bugsrus Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If you like Watkin's cello suites, this one , while not on a cello is also very good on same label. Just got it today from Qobuz in 24/96. Wonderful. cheers [/THUMBIMG] Link to comment
Hiro Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Am I interpreting the graph correctly that most of the ultrasonic frequencies on this recording are below 100dB? Link to comment
Hiro Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Yes, I like the Eijlander, it's very nice and beautifully recorded. The Watkin well deserves its award, though. I find myself listening to it over and over. How does it compare to Janos Starker's performance? Link to comment
wgscott Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Am I interpreting the graph correctly that most of the ultrasonic frequencies on this recording are below 100dB? It's a cello, not a silent dog whistle. The main thing is there is no artificial cut-off. Link to comment
Hiro Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 It's a cello, not a silent dog whistle. The main thing is there is no artificial cut-off. The question is if these higher frequencies make any difference in sound quality, if they in fact are below 100dB... I guess the only way to find out would be to compare the recording to a redbook version. Link to comment
wgscott Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Nothing above 16 kHz makes any direct difference to sound quality for an adult. Nothing above 20kHz for a child. What is relevant is the presence or absence of a sharp cutoff (and even then, probably only important if poorly implemented). But you know that already. Instruments like cello and piano have very little high-frequency content, so the 24 bit property is probably more important than the 96kHz limitation (48 kHz cutoff). Link to comment
goldsdad Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 The question is if these higher frequencies make any difference in sound quality, if they in fact are below 100dB... I guess the only way to find out would be to compare the recording to a redbook version. A 16-bit 44.1 kHz version wouldn't only have a lower upper frequency limit in comparison to the 24-bit 96 kHz version; it would also have lower bit depth and different filtering artefacts. Also, your playback equipment would behave differently with files of different resolutions, regardless of the waveforms encoded in the files. If you heard a difference, how would you know whether that was solely due to one version containing frequencies that aren't in the other version? Link to comment
Jud Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Am I interpreting the graph correctly that most of the ultrasonic frequencies on this recording are below 100dB? Hi Hiro. If I understand your question correctly, the ultrasonic frequencies appear to cross the -100dB point (that is, where they are 100dB down from as loud as the signal can get) at about 32kHz. Is that responsive to what you wanted to know? One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 How does it compare to Janos Starker's performance? Sorry, haven't heard Starker. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 By the way, to give some notion of -100dB, the difference between your ear up against a car horn and a quiet listening room is somewhere around 80dB. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
pdvm Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 By the way, to give some notion of -100dB, the difference between your ear up against a car horn and a quiet listening room is somewhere around 80dB. My ears start ringing just thinking of it... Link to comment
Musicophile Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 How does it compare to Janos Starker's performance? Starker is obviously a classic, and very well recorded. Watkin takes a slightly faster pace, but without feeling rushed at all. Between the two I'd chose Watkin. Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
Hiro Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Starker is obviously a classic, and very well recorded. Watkin takes a slightly faster pace, but without feeling rushed at all. Between the two I'd chose Watkin. When I first heard Starker's performance on SACD it was a truly spiritual experience for me. I may check the new Watkin release one of these days... Link to comment
Hiro Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 A 16-bit 44.1 kHz version wouldn't only have a lower upper frequency limit in comparison to the 24-bit 96 kHz version; it would also have lower bit depth and different filtering artefacts. Also, your playback equipment would behave differently with files of different resolutions, regardless of the waveforms encoded in the files. If you heard a difference, how would you know whether that was solely due to one version containing frequencies that aren't in the other version? A comparison with a 24/48 version would be more fair, though a test involving a standard redbook PCM version could still be interesting. Unless the SQ on this download is so great that no CD version can possibly touch it... Link to comment
Hiro Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Hi Hiro. If I understand your question correctly, the ultrasonic frequencies appear to cross the -100dB point (that is, where they are 100dB down from as loud as the signal can get) at about 32kHz. Is that responsive to what you wanted to know? It's hard to see from the graph where the exact point of the ultrasonic frequencies reaching the -100dB level is (28~32), but yes, your interpretation of the graph is in line with mine, give or take a few hertz. Link to comment
Boris75 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 When I first heard Starker's performance on SACD it was a truly spiritual experience for me. Same for me, even though I had listened to half a dozen other versions before. I haven't listened to Watkin yet so cannot compare. So far, my personal ranking is: Starker on Mercury SACD Fournier on Tokyo FM SACD Navarra on Calliope-Kisselhoff SACD Tunnicliffe in 24/192 (Linn) Rysanov (viola) in 24/44.1 (BIS) Rostropovitch on EMI CD Wispelwey on EPR CD (2012) Link to comment
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