How do you use the Genre tag?

[Audio_ELF]

As I commented above, I use multiple genre's for each album so (for examples)

Sleater-Kinney is Alternative Pop/Rock\\Indie Rock\\_Alternative/Indie Rock

Gregory Porter is _Jazz\\_Pop/Rock\\Contemporary Jazz Vocals\\Vocal Jazz

Django Django gets _Alternative/Indie Rock\\Indie Electronic\\Indie Rock\\Experimental Rock\\Neo-Psychedelia

and Davina and the Vagabonds is _Blues\\_Pop/Rock

 

Predominantly I get these genres from a simple copy and paste from AllMusic (same as Roon use) with a bit of editing using automation scripts on MP3Tag. Each of the genres (divided by \\ in the above) are displayed separately with those prefixed by _ at the top of the list so these are limited to a few genres). Using MinimServer and my chosen control point I can "drill down" so choose "_Jazz" and then from there perhaps choose Vocal Jazz.

[Musicophile]

 

Roon, btw, is working hard on this problem and I am very interested in what their solution will be.

The moment they get that right, I'll purchase the software probably.

 

Interestingly enough, I saw the interface for the first at a fellow CA members' house yesterday, and while I was quite impressed, they had the Esbjörn Svensson Trio as "Downtempo" (among others). I was really a bit surprised about this, given that I'd rather have associated Café del Mar-type stuff than EST; even if they use electronic elements. So it is really hard to get right.

 

In the end, I suppose I'll still have to do all the work myself. Just hope that Damien releases a multi-genre tag version of A+ eventually, or I'll need to fill-in all his incremental tags I'm not using at this point (instrument, style, period), but I'm not sure if those tags are universally used.

[audiventory]

LOL, Remind me to tell that 25 year genre that they don't exist. Labeling a movement is just that, a label (different parts of the world, different labels), but we have to have descriptive short titles, so we go with it, but it's really about the music, is it not.

 

Okay, like it really matters what genre titles I use. Kind of fun, can tell you a lot about a persons music tastes, notice there is no rap, hip hop or contemporary country. LOL

 

New Wave

Indie

Classical

Main Rock

Folk

Soul

Jazz

Punk

Goth

Disco

Soundtrack

Holiday

 

Actually my video promo collection is far bigger and diverse than my audio only.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie see Music part

[ElviaCaprice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie see Music part

 

And your point is? It just confirms what I said, it's a genre. Wikipedia just happens to get more detailed in different sub genres within the genre.

[Melvin]

snip ..

 

Okay, like it really matters what genre titles I use. Kind of fun, can tell you a lot about a persons music tastes, notice there is no rap, hip hop or contemporary country. LOL

 

New Wave

Indie

Classical

Main Rock

Folk

Soul

Jazz

Punk

Goth

Disco

Soundtrack

Holiday

 

No rap, hip hop, or contemporary country here either although I like some music in each of those genres, just don't purchase it (one benefit of streaming).

 

[kirkmc]

I use a lot of custom genres, because I find it easier to organize my music that way. Here are the genres in my iTunes library.

[audiventory]

Here id3 v.1 genre list

 

id3v2.4.0-frames - ID3.org

 

See:

 

7. Appendix

A. Appendix A - Genre List from ID3v1

[kirkmc]

Interestingly, iTunes Connect - the app that labels/aggregators use to upload music to the iTunes Store - offers two-level genres, and a number of very interesting genres. Most of these don't ever show up in the iTunes Store, but perhaps they will one day:

 

(Sorry for the long list; is there any way to put the list into a scrollable box, so the post isn't so long?)

 

Alternative

Alternative / Chinese Alt

Alternative / College Rock

Alternative / Goth Rock

Alternative / Grunge

Alternative / Indie Rock

Alternative / Korean Indie

Alternative / New Wave

Alternative / Punk

Anime

Blues

Blues / Acoustic Blues

Blues / Chicago Blues

Blues / Classic Blues

Blues / Contemporary Blues

Blues / Country Blues

Blues / Delta Blues

Blues / Electric Blues

Brazilian

Brazilian / Axé

Brazilian / Baile Funk

Brazilian / Bossa Nova

Brazilian / Choro

Brazilian / Forró

Brazilian / Frevo

Brazilian / MPB

Brazilian / Pagode

Brazilian / Samba

Brazilian / Sertanejo

Children's Music

Children's Music / Lullabies

Children's Music / Sing-Along

Children's Music / Stories

Chinese

Chinese / Chinese Classical

Chinese / Chinese Flute

Chinese / Chinese Opera

Chinese / Chinese Orchestral

Chinese / Chinese Regional Folk

Chinese / Chinese Strings

Chinese / Taiwanese Folk

Chinese / Tibetan Native Music

Christian & Gospel

Christian & Gospel / CCM

Christian & Gospel / Christian Metal

Christian & Gospel / Christian Pop

Christian & Gospel / Christian Rap

Christian & Gospel / Christian Rock

Christian & Gospel / Classic Christian

Christian & Gospel / Contemporary Gospel

Christian & Gospel / Gospel

Christian & Gospel / Praise & Worship

Christian & Gospel / Southern Gospel

Christian & Gospel / Traditional Gospel

Classical

Classical / Avant-Garde

Classical / Baroque

Classical / Chamber Music

Classical / Chant

Classical / Choral

Classical / Classical Crossover

Classical / Early Music

Classical / High Classical

Classical / Impressionist

Classical / Medieval

Classical / Minimalism

Classical / Modern Composition

Classical / Orchestral

Classical / Renaissance

Classical / Romantic

Classical / Wedding Music

Comedy

Comedy / Novelty

Comedy / Standup Comedy

Country

Country / Alternative Country

Country / Americana

Country / Bluegrass

Country / Contemporary Bluegrass

Country / Contemporary Country

Country / Country Gospel

Country / Honky Tonk

Country / Outlaw Country

Country / Traditional Bluegrass

Country / Traditional Country

Country / Urban Cowboy

Dance

Dance / Breakbeat

Dance / Exercise

Dance / Garage

Dance / Hardcore

Dance / House

Dance / Jungle/Drum'n'bass

Dance / Techno

Dance / Trance

Disney

Easy Listening

Easy Listening / Bop

Easy Listening / Lounge

Easy Listening / Swing

Electronic

Electronic / Ambient

Electronic / Downtempo

Electronic / Electronica

Electronic / IDM/Experimental

Electronic / Industrial

Enka

Fitness & Workout

French Pop

German Folk

German Pop

Hip Hop/Rap

Hip Hop/Rap / Alternative Rap

Hip Hop/Rap / Chinese Hip-Hop

Hip Hop/Rap / Dirty South

Hip Hop/Rap / East Coast Rap

Hip Hop/Rap / Gangsta Rap

Hip Hop/Rap / Hardcore Rap

Hip Hop/Rap / Hip-Hop

Hip Hop/Rap / Korean Hip-Hop

Hip Hop/Rap / Latin Rap

Hip Hop/Rap / Old School Rap

Hip Hop/Rap / Rap

Hip Hop/Rap / Underground Rap

Hip Hop/Rap / West Coast Rap

Holiday

Holiday / Chanukah

Holiday / Christmas

Holiday / Christmas: Children's

Holiday / Christmas: Classic

Holiday / Christmas: Classical

Holiday / Christmas: Jazz

Holiday / Christmas: Modern

Holiday / Christmas: Pop

Holiday / Christmas: R&B

Holiday / Christmas: Religious

Holiday / Christmas: Rock

Holiday / Easter

Holiday / Halloween

Holiday / Holiday: Other

Holiday / Thanksgiving

Indian

Indian / Bollywood

Indian / Devotional & Spiritual

Indian / Indian Classical

Indian / Indian Pop

Indian / Regional Indian

Indian / Sufi and Ghazals

Indian / Tamil

Indian / Telugu

Instrumental

J-Pop

Jazz

Jazz / Avant-Garde Jazz

Jazz / Big Band

Jazz / Contemporary Jazz

Jazz / Cool

Jazz / Crossover Jazz

Jazz / Dixieland

Jazz / Fusion

Jazz / Hard Bop

Jazz / Latin Jazz

Jazz / Mainstream Jazz

Jazz / Ragtime

Jazz / Smooth Jazz

Jazz / Trad Jazz

K-Pop

Karaoke

Kayokyoku

Korean

Korean / Korean Classical

Korean / Korean Trad Instrumental

Korean / Korean Trad Song

Korean / Korean Trad Theater

Latin

Latin / Alternativo & Rock Latino

Latin / Baladas y Boleros

Latin / Contemporary Latin

Latin / Latin Jazz

Latin / Pop Latino

Latin / Raices

Latin / Reggaeton y Hip-Hop

Latin / Regional Mexicano

Latin / Salsa y Tropical

New Age

New Age / Environmental

New Age / Healing

New Age / Meditation

New Age / Nature

New Age / Relaxation

New Age / Travel

Opera

Pop

Pop / Adult Contemporary

Pop / Britpop

Pop / C-Pop

Pop / Cantopop/HK-Pop

Pop / Indo Pop

Pop / Korean Folk-Pop

Pop / Malaysian Pop

Pop / Mandopop

Pop / Manilla Sound

Pop / Original Pilipino Music

Pop / Pinoy Pop

Pop / Pop/Rock

Pop / Soft Rock

Pop / Tai-Pop

Pop / Teen Pop

Pop / Thai Pop

R&B/Soul

R&B/Soul / Contemporary R&B

R&B/Soul / Disco

R&B/Soul / Doo Wop

R&B/Soul / Funk

R&B/Soul / Motown

R&B/Soul / Neo-Soul

R&B/Soul / Quiet Storm

R&B/Soul / Soul

Reggae

Reggae / Dancehall

Reggae / Dub

Reggae / Roots Reggae

Reggae / Ska

Rock

Rock / Adult Alternative

Rock / American Trad Rock

Rock / Arena Rock

Rock / Blues-Rock

Rock / British Invasion

Rock / Chinese Rock

Rock / Death Metal/Black Metal

Rock / Glam Rock

Rock / Hair Metal

Rock / Hard Rock

Rock / Heavy Metal

Rock / Jam Bands

Rock / Korean Rock

Rock / Prog-Rock/Art Rock

Rock / Psychedelic

Rock / Rock & Roll

Rock / Rockabilly

Rock / Roots Rock

Rock / Singer/Songwriter

Rock / Southern Rock

Rock / Surf

Rock / Tex-Mex

Singer/Songwriter

Singer/Songwriter / Alternative Folk

Singer/Songwriter / Contemporary Folk

Singer/Songwriter / Contemporary Singer/Songwriter

Singer/Songwriter / Folk-Rock

Singer/Songwriter / New Acoustic

Singer/Songwriter / Traditional Folk

Soundtrack

Soundtrack / Foreign Cinema

Soundtrack / Musicals

Soundtrack / Original Score

Soundtrack / Soundtrack

Soundtrack / TV Soundtrack

Spoken Word

Vocal

Vocal / Standards

Vocal / Traditional Pop

Vocal / Trot

Vocal / Vocal Jazz

Vocal / Vocal Pop

World

World / Africa

World / Afro-Beat

World / Afro-Pop

World / Asia

World / Australia

World / Cajun

World / Caribbean

World / Celtic

World / Celtic Folk

World / Contemporary Celtic

World / Dangdut

World / Dini

World / Drinking Songs

World / Europe

World / France

World / Halk

World / Hawaii

World / Indonesian Religious

World / Japan

World / Japanese Pop

World / Klezmer

World / Middle East

World / North America

World / Polka

World / Russian Chanson

World / Sanat

World / South Africa

World / South America

World / Traditional Celtic

World / Worldbeat

World / Zydeco

[miguelito]

The moment they get that right, I'll purchase the software probably.

 

Interestingly enough, I saw the interface for the first at a fellow CA members' house yesterday, and while I was quite impressed, they had the Esbjörn Svensson Trio as "Downtempo" (among others). I was really a bit surprised about this, given that I'd rather have associated Café del Mar-type stuff than EST; even if they use electronic elements. So it is really hard to get right.

 

In the end, I suppose I'll still have to do all the work myself. Just hope that Damien releases a multi-genre tag version of A+ eventually, or I'll need to fill-in all his incremental tags I'm not using at this point (instrument, style, period), but I'm not sure if those tags are universally used.

Roon v1.1 is supposed to allow you to edit what it has generated as an override. v1.1 is out but I have not had a chance to look into this.

 

Ultimately, genre is one of those things that's not clear-cut so you (especially you... ) will likely have the desire to input your own. The way I see it is: if Roon gets it right 90% of the time, I am happy to overlay my fixes for the remaining 10%. Having said this, I have never been a huge fan of genre simply because I have found it unhelpful.

[Musicophile]

Roon v1.1 is supposed to allow you to edit what it has generated as an override. v1.1 is out but I have not had a chance to look into this.

 

Ultimately, genre is one of those things that's not clear-cut so you (especially you... ) will likely have the desire to input your own. The way I see it is: if Roon gets it right 90% of the time, I am happy to overlay my fixes for the remaining 10%. Having said this, I have never been a huge fan of genre simply because I have found it unhelpful.

 

When I saw that Roon doesn't support my Ipad3, I'm off it anyhow for the moment and stick to A+ as my go-to player. But thanks!

[miguelito]

When I saw that Roon doesn't support my Ipad3, I'm off it anyhow for the moment and stick to A+ as my go-to player. But thanks!

Roon's iPad app (if this is what you're referring to) is on the approval process at Apple. It should be available pretty soon. But maybe you're referring to an older iPad that will not be supported by the new Roon iPad app?

[Musicophile]

Roon's iPad app (if this is what you're referring to) is on the approval process at Apple. It should be available pretty soon. But maybe you're referring to an older iPad that will not be supported by the new Roon iPad app?

 

Yes, that's what I seem to recall from a post here.

[miguelito]

Yes, that's what I seem to recall from a post here.

Ok, I was not aware of this... But frankly in my book the cost of a basic 16gb iPad of the latest generation is nothing compared to what I get from Roon. YMMV.

[orgel]

Ok, I was not aware of this... But frankly in my book the cost of a basic 16gb iPad of the latest generation is nothing compared to what I get from Roon. YMMV.

 

Yeah, @Musicophile is correct. The 3rd-gen iPad (which I have, too) will not be able to run the Roon iOS app. The Roon iOS app will require an iPad (and only an iPad, no iPhones at this time) that has OpenGL ES 3.0. These devices are listed in Table 2-1 here.

 

It seems like there will be an October announcement of new iPads, so I'll wait until then to see whether I want a new one or maybe an "old" iPad Air 2. (Not doing this just for Roon; I was due for a new one anyway, and Roon gave me another reason to move ahead with this.)

 

--David

[miguelito]

Yeah, @Musicophile is correct. The 3rd-gen iPad (which I have, too) will not be able to run the Roon iOS app. The Roon iOS app will require an iPad (and only an iPad, no iPhones at this time) that has OpenGL ES 3.0. These devices are listed in Table 2-1 here.

Ok, interesting. Thank you, I was not aware of this. Fortunately I have an iPad Air 2.

[Johnny Moondog]

...I have never been a huge fan of genre simply because I have found it unhelpful.

 

Ditto. After investing the time fact checking, deciding, and agonizing, which genre(s) to input during the ripping process... and over time noticing how I'd never used that metadata during a listening session... I recognized that for myself, the ratio of effort to usefulness was extremely low. My solution was to just stop inputing the genre tag.

[kirkmc]

Ditto. After investing the time fact checking, deciding, and agonizing, which genre(s) to input during the ripping process... and over time noticing how I'd never used that metadata during a listening session... I recognized that for myself, the ratio of effort to usefulness was extremely low. My solution was to just stop inputing the genre tag.

 

It all depends on how you search for or browse your music. I use the Column Browser in iTunes, so having more detailed genres makes it easier for me to find music when I'm looking for something.

[coleb13]

After initially worrying about having the "correct" genre tags, I began freely assigning and altering them as they occurred to me and making up new ones that I thought might be useful. As an example, a friend of mine was amused when browsing my collection to find "circus" applied to music that sounded to me like the music I have heard at a circus. I now find the tags much more useful to me, and I think that is the point because it is after all my collection. And if you happen to be in the mood for some lively music that might invoke memories of circuses I can come up with some very quickly ...

[Johnny Moondog]

After initially worrying about having the "correct" genre tags, I began freely assigning and altering them as they occurred to me and making up new ones that I thought might be useful.

 

I love this approach! Will definitely explore. Thanks!

 

And since you offered, hit me with some Circus Invoking Music. Use private message so we don't hijack this thread. I almost ran away to join the circus. Seriously. The first time I saw Cirque du Soleil's traveling show — Saltimbanco (1993) — I sat inside the Grand Chapiteau tent for 30 minutes after the performance ended, racking my brain over whether to leave my career and attempt to join the group.