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Nikhil

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I've been using JRiver since v19 and it is my standard media player at the moment. With each upcoming new version JRiver incorporates feature requests as is their model. Typically they are among the fastest to adopt new feature requests. However their newest version V22 due out later this month does not seem to offer much in terms of audio.

 

On another thread I had asked Jim to consider improving/adding features for DSD playback. Clearly other developers have taken the lead and are now considered superior to JRiver for DSD playback. An example is/are apodizing filters that address pre-ringing. I am of course not very conversant with technical details but as an existing JRiver user would like to have some of these features in the future.

 

Perhaps other CA members could chime in on feature requests of your own.

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I'm certainly in favor of filters that address pre-ringing. Those are the ones I use in HQPlayer, for both PCM and DSD.

Main listening (small home office):

Main setup: Surge protector +_iFi  AC iPurifiers >Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Conditioning+Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three >GIK Room Treatments.

Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three .

Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup.
Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. 

All absolute statements about audio are false :)

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It is unlikely that JRiver could ever create filters as good as HQPlayer's. Miska is a specialist in DSP.

I've been using JRiver since v19 and it is my standard media player at the moment. With each upcoming new version JRiver incorporates feature requests as is their model. Typically they are among the fastest to adopt new feature requests. However their newest version V22 due out later this month does not seem to offer much in terms of audio.

 

On another thread I had asked Jim to consider improving/adding features for DSD playback. Clearly other developers have taken the lead and are now considered superior to JRiver for DSD playback. An example is/are apodizing filters that address pre-ringing. I am of course not very conversant with technical details but as an existing JRiver user would like to have some of these features in the future.

 

Perhaps other CA members could chime in on feature requests of your own.

Forrest:

Win10 i9 9900KS/GTX1060 HQPlayer4>Win10 NAA

DSD>Pavel's DSC2.6>Bent Audio TAP>

Parasound JC1>"Naked" Quad ESL63/Tannoy PS350B subs<100Hz

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It is unlikely that JRiver could ever create filters as good as HQPlayer's. Miska is a specialist in DSP.

 

Well, considering the other advantages JRiver has over HQP, maybe having more filters "almost" as good as Miska's would make some of us quite happy.

Main listening (small home office):

Main setup: Surge protector +_iFi  AC iPurifiers >Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Conditioning+Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three >GIK Room Treatments.

Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three .

Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup.
Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. 

All absolute statements about audio are false :)

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One can also hope that JRiver could work together with Jussi (Miska) to embed some of his work as a plugin or however these things work.

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and now if you can tell us what your pictures mean, it would be great...

Main listening (small home office):

Main setup: Surge protector +_iFi  AC iPurifiers >Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Conditioning+Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three >GIK Room Treatments.

Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three .

Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup.
Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. 

All absolute statements about audio are false :)

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and now if you can tell us what your pictures mean, it would be great...

They seem to show that, when present, ringing artefacts are beyond the range of human hearing.

"It is commonly accepted amongst authentic libertines that the sensations communicated by the organs of hearing are the most flattering and those impressions are the liveliest" (Donatien Alphonse François de Sade)

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They seem to show that, when present, ringing artefacts are beyond the range of human hearing.

 

Then the pictures are a nonsense snarky response.

 

Lots of people prefer the sound of one filter or another, and different filters often clearly sound different. Do we somehow know that the effect of ringing on perception is due to the frequency? Or is it something else about ringing that triggers our response? For all I know the ringing is having some effect on my equipment that results in an audible sound I don't like.

Main listening (small home office):

Main setup: Surge protector +_iFi  AC iPurifiers >Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Conditioning+Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three >GIK Room Treatments.

Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three .

Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup.
Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. 

All absolute statements about audio are false :)

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and now if you can tell us what your pictures mean, it would be great...

 

Clicking on the images takes you to a blog "Archimago's Musings".

 

Archimago's Musings: ANALYSIS: DSD Conversion Impulse & Spectral Display... Another few images for completeness!

 

Have spent the last half hour reading the July postings which pertain to pre-ringing etc.

 

(talk about tumbling down the rabbit hole!)

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BTW, I decided which filters I preferred in HQP in a blind test. My preference for the minimal pre-ringing was highly consistent with both PCM and DSD, and with different types of music. Only in a couple of instances did I not prefer the minimal pre-ringing filters.

Main listening (small home office):

Main setup: Surge protector +_iFi  AC iPurifiers >Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Conditioning+Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three >GIK Room Treatments.

Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three .

Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup.
Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. 

All absolute statements about audio are false :)

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JRiver's filter does not have pre-ringing.

 

Interesting to know for DSD. I found I have a very slight preference for the filters I chose in HQP, even for PCM. I think it sounds a little better. But not by much. I still mostly listen in JRiver, as it is more user friendly, especially with JRemote. But when Roon integrates HQP, that could become my default playback software.

Main listening (small home office):

Main setup: Surge protector +_iFi  AC iPurifiers >Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Conditioning+Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three >GIK Room Treatments.

Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three .

Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup.
Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. 

All absolute statements about audio are false :)

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Have my doubts about Roon being a replacement for JRiver. Kind of spendy for a meta tag service, which really I'm not interested in. Also I have my concerns over Roon's private policy statement. If HQP isn't all that much of an improvement in sound quality guess I'll stick to JRiver at this point in time. But in the same token, I am not finding any good reason to update to version 21 either. If they added side car ability for all files, especially SACD. I would update in a heart beat, JRiver.

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JRiver's filter does not have pre-ringing.

 

Excellent! Now to figure out what's going on in the other player that makes it sound so good. A friend of mine called the sound improvement the equivalent of a complete component upgrade. No luck for me because I could not get it to install on my machine.

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I would beg to differ on the sound quality difference. I guess it depends on the preferred filtering.

Have my doubts about Roon being a replacement for JRiver. Kind of spendy for a meta tag service, which really I'm not interested in. Also I have my concerns over Roon's private policy statement. If HQP isn't all that much of an improvement in sound quality guess I'll stick to JRiver at this point in time. But in the same token, I am not finding any good reason to update to version 21 either. If they added side car ability for all files, especially SACD. I would update in a heart beat, JRiver.

Forrest:

Win10 i9 9900KS/GTX1060 HQPlayer4>Win10 NAA

DSD>Pavel's DSC2.6>Bent Audio TAP>

Parasound JC1>"Naked" Quad ESL63/Tannoy PS350B subs<100Hz

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Maybe you didn't see the JPlay debacle, but they went out of their way to make them not compatible. I wouldn't expect much.

One can also hope that JRiver could work together with Jussi (Miska) to embed some of his work as a plugin or however these things work.

Forrest:

Win10 i9 9900KS/GTX1060 HQPlayer4>Win10 NAA

DSD>Pavel's DSC2.6>Bent Audio TAP>

Parasound JC1>"Naked" Quad ESL63/Tannoy PS350B subs<100Hz

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BTW, I decided which filters I preferred in HQP in a blind test. My preference for the minimal pre-ringing was highly consistent with both PCM and DSD, and with different types of music. Only in a couple of instances did I not prefer the minimal pre-ringing filters.

Minimal-phase filters, that you seem to prefer, incur phase distortions in the audible range. Linear-phase filters doesn't. Maybe the phase distortions are audible in your system, which would then explain your preference.

"It is commonly accepted amongst authentic libertines that the sensations communicated by the organs of hearing are the most flattering and those impressions are the liveliest" (Donatien Alphonse François de Sade)

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Well it's been a little disappointing to see that there has been no response from Jim on this thread so far. I spent the better part of my evening yesterday reading up on filters and what not thanks to that interesting post by Skeptic. Of course the thought did come up if the Skeptic handle is another moniker Jim uses.

 

It's also a pity that there's a large number of folks who are against JRiver on here. For me its a software that does all that I need it to. Would like it to address a few more features with DSD at this point in time.

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It's also a pity that there's a large number of folks who are against JRiver on here. For me its a software that does all that I need it to. Would like it to address a few more features with DSD at this point in time.

 

To be quite honest we have to say... what came first the chicken or the egg?

 

People here are not against J River but actually opposite, J River is against the people here. There's been so much negative dialogue by J River against audiophiles and what they hear it is ridiculous. No matter how civil people may be in discussing sound, and what we are able to achieve through changes in software configurations etc. we have been told that we are basically crazy and must be hallucinating. Bit perfect is bit perfect and there is no difference in sound. Subsequently your requests sadly falls on deaf ears.

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My main "feature request" is to finally get software that does look like it was designed for MacOS and not ported from PC with Mac as an afterthought.

 

Suppose this will never happen.

 

+1 (on both)

"It is commonly accepted amongst authentic libertines that the sensations communicated by the organs of hearing are the most flattering and those impressions are the liveliest" (Donatien Alphonse François de Sade)

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