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I just received an email from Qobuz that together with the two new albums, Creation and the Bartok/Barber concertos, ECM also releases 8 remasters of older albums, including Standards 1&2, My Song, Changes, Facing You, The Survivor's Suite, Eyes of the Heart, and Belonging.

 

As Standards 1&2 and especially MySong are old favorites of mine, I may end up repurchasing them for the 3rd time, given that the ECM remasters generally are of good quality.

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I just received an email from Qobuz that together with the two new albums, Creation and the Bartok/Barber concertos, ECM also releases 8 remasters of older albums, including Standards 1&2, My Song, Changes, Facing You, The Survivor's Suite, Eyes of the Heart, and Belonging.

 

As Standards 1&2 and especially MySong are old favorites of mine, I may end up repurchasing them for the 3rd time, given that the ECM remasters generally are of good quality.

 

Yes, on highresaudio.com website there's already few of the old Jarrett albums including Belonging, Standards and others oldies. I am especially thinking about Belonging, but don't know if 24/96 bring any benefit, since it is 70s recording, for sure not captured by the high resolution mics, but recorded for LP release.

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Krzysztof Maj

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"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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Oh, and one thing. On Qobuz the albums are cheaper, but in suspicious 24/192 resolution, where on highresaudio.com there are 24/96. Which one is fake?

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Krzysztof Maj

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"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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It looks like this is a Keith Jarrett 70th anniversary campaign and not a general ECM hi-rez reissue project.

 

There are also new hi-rez downloads of his Impulse! albums available on HDtracks: Shades, Fort Yawuh, Byablue, Bop-be, Mysteries

Claude

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It looks like this is a Keith Jarrett 70th anniversary campaign and not a general ECM hi-rez reissue project.

 

There are also new hi-rez downloads of his Impulse! albums available on HDtracks: Shades, Fort Yawuh, Byablue, Bop-be, Mysteries

 

Exactly, but I was wandering what is the originality of these remasters and why on qobuz they're 24/192 while on highresaudio.com those're 24/96. Still, I am not sure since recorded in analogue for LP releases any 24/x could be better than CD - if the same mastering?

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Krzysztof Maj

http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/

"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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Oh, and one thing. On Qobuz the albums are cheaper, but in suspicious 24/192 resolution, where on highresaudio.com there are 24/96. Which one is fake?

Didn't even see the 24/192, I'd simply assume this to be a labeling mistake given that all other ECM remasters are 24/96. I'll probably end up buying one of them and will report back.

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Didn't even see the 24/192, I'd simply assume this to be a labeling mistake given that all other ECM remasters are 24/96. I'll probably end up buying one of them and will report back.

 

Fine, tell us the truth ;-) On highresaudio.com allnof them are 24/96. They responded to me that they've asked ECM for details.

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Krzysztof Maj

http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/

"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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Yes, on highresaudio.com website there's already few of the old Jarrett albums including Belonging, Standards and others oldies. I am especially thinking about Belonging, but don't know if 24/96 bring any benefit, since it is 70s recording, for sure not captured by the high resolution mics, but recorded for LP release.

Overall, I found the 24/96 remasters of let's say the Köln Concert and Bregenz/München, both from the 70s, to be better than the previous CD releases. That said, it's probably not due to the 24/96 shell but due to the remastering efforts. ECM has always been an audiophile label, and their 70s and 80s recordings usally are very well done. And I've used Standards 1&2, (in vinyl at that time) many times for audiophile comparisons back in the 90s

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On highresaudio.com allnof them are 24/96.

 

Which ones aren't?

 

They responded to me that they've asked ECM for details.

 

Interesting, please report back.

 

In any case, please note that Qobuz is slightly cheaper (€17.48 vs. €21 on Highresaudio), so if their product turns out to be the real deal you may be better off purchasing there.

 

Unfortunately ECM's website is being remodeled right now so no information to be found there, and I'm a but surprised none of the US websites are carrying the new remasters yet.

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It looks like this is a Keith Jarrett 70th anniversary campaign and not a general ECM hi-rez reissue project.

 

There are also new hi-rez downloads of his Impulse! albums available on HDtracks: Shades, Fort Yawuh, Byablue, Bop-be, Mysteries

Yes, they also promote the Impulse albums, but the ECM releases are definitely new.

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Didn't even see the 24/192, I'd simply assume this to be a labeling mistake given that all other ECM remasters are 24/96. I'll probably end up buying one of them and will report back.

 

I think it has got to be a mistake. AFAIK ECM has never done 24/192, especially from tape. Can't see why they would start now.

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Which ones aren't?

 

 

 

Interesting, please report back.

 

In any case, please note that Qobuz is slightly cheaper (€17.48 vs. €21 on Highresaudio), so if their product turns out to be the real deal you may be better off purchasing there.

 

Unfortunately ECM's website is being remodeled right now so no information to be found there, and I'm a but surprised none of the US websites are carrying the new remasters yet.

 

I will report back if get anything back from them. For the resolution, as already mentioned, on highresaudio.com it's 24/96, while on qobuz.com I saw 24/192, which is either labeling mistake or upsample, what happened to me several times in case of qobuz - always with good customer care of course.

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Krzysztof Maj

http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/

"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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I just received an email from Qobuz that together with the two new albums, Creation and the Bartok/Barber concertos, ECM also releases 8 remasters of older albums, including Standards 1&2, My Song, Changes, Facing You, The Survivor's Suite, Eyes of the Heart, and Belonging.

I had original LPs of My Song, The Survivor's Suite and Eyes of the Heart in late 70-s and still remember their wonderfull sound back then... Will be glad if new remasters will come close to it.
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I had original LPs of My Song, The Survivor's Suite and Eyes of the Heart in late 70-s and still remember their wonderfull sound back then... Will be glad if new remasters will come close to it.

 

I still have the vinyl of My Song in the basement. It was my 2nd jazz album ever bought. I was listening to the tape copy I made in the car pretty much every day for a while.

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I will report back if get anything back from them. For the resolution, as already mentioned, on highresaudio.com it's 24/96, while on qobuz.com I saw 24/192, which is either labeling mistake or upsample, what happened to me several times in case of qobuz - always with good customer care of course.

 

Actually they are available at 24/192 at Highresaudio as well.

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From the 24/192 download of My Song from Highresaudio:

 

Report generated by the MusicScope 1.3.5 - http://www.xivero.com

 

 

File: 04 Country.flac

 

 

Audio format: PCM

Bit depth: 24 bit

Sample rate: 192.0 kHz

 

 

Cut-Off Frequency: 62.1 kHz

 

TPL Left: -2.4 dB

TPL Right: -4.1 dB

TPL Mid: -3.5 dB

TPL Side: -12.2 dB

RMS Left: -21.7 dB

RMS Right: -21.8 dB

RMS Mid: -22.1 dB

RMS Side: -32.8 dB

CREST Avg.: 9.7 dB

IS L/M: 0

IS R/S: 0

 

Max. M-Loudness: -13.2 dB

Max. S-Loudness: -14.6 dB

Integrated Loudness: -19.2 dB

Loudness Range: 7.8 dB

PLR Avg.: 6.9 dB

 

Spectrum:

[kHz] [dB]

1 -15.4

2 -20.5

3 -31.6

4 -31.5

5 -35.3

6 -35.4

7 -39.0

8 -39.1

9 -40.8

10 -41.0

11 -41.2

12 -40.9

13 -48.8

14 -44.5

15 -49.5

16 -50.5

17 -51.7

18 -56.5

19 -60.9

20 -62.2

21 -64.3

22 -65.5

23 -66.8

24 -73.5

25 -73.6

26 -78.6

27 -82.7

28 -82.3

29 -82.4

30 -85.0

31 -84.5

32 -84.2

33 -84.9

34 -88.1

35 -90.5

36 -86.2

37 -84.8

38 -82.3

39 -84.0

40 -81.6

41 -82.6

42 -87.1

43 -88.0

44 -89.5

45 -91.0

46 -90.5

47 -91.2

48 -90.7

49 -89.7

 

04 Country.flac_report.png

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From the 24/192 download of My Song from Highresaudio:

 

Report generated by the MusicScope 1.3.5 - http://www.xivero.com

 

 

File: 04 Country.flac

 

 

Audio format: PCM

Bit depth: 24 bit

Sample rate: 192.0 kHz

 

 

Cut-Off Frequency: 62.1 kHz

 

TPL Left: -2.4 dB

TPL Right: -4.1 dB

TPL Mid: -3.5 dB

TPL Side: -12.2 dB

RMS Left: -21.7 dB

RMS Right: -21.8 dB

RMS Mid: -22.1 dB

RMS Side: -32.8 dB

CREST Avg.: 9.7 dB

IS L/M: 0

IS R/S: 0

 

Max. M-Loudness: -13.2 dB

Max. S-Loudness: -14.6 dB

Integrated Loudness: -19.2 dB

Loudness Range: 7.8 dB

PLR Avg.: 6.9 dB

 

Spectrum:

[kHz] [dB]

1 -15.4

2 -20.5

3 -31.6

4 -31.5

5 -35.3

6 -35.4

7 -39.0

8 -39.1

9 -40.8

10 -41.0

11 -41.2

12 -40.9

13 -48.8

14 -44.5

15 -49.5

16 -50.5

17 -51.7

18 -56.5

19 -60.9

20 -62.2

21 -64.3

22 -65.5

23 -66.8

24 -73.5

25 -73.6

26 -78.6

27 -82.7

28 -82.3

29 -82.4

30 -85.0

31 -84.5

32 -84.2

33 -84.9

34 -88.1

35 -90.5

36 -86.2

37 -84.8

38 -82.3

39 -84.0

40 -81.6

41 -82.6

42 -87.1

43 -88.0

44 -89.5

45 -91.0

46 -90.5

47 -91.2

48 -90.7

49 -89.7

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]18390[/ATTACH]

 

Well, looks like upsample from 48kHz DAT tape or just redbook with added random noise above 22kHz. Any other suggestions?

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Krzysztof Maj

http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/

"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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From the 24/192 download of My Song from Highresaudio:

 

Report generated by the MusicScope 1.3.5 - http://www.xivero.com

 

 

File: 04 Country.flac

 

 

Audio format: PCM

Bit depth: 24 bit

Sample rate: 192.0 kHz

 

 

Cut-Off Frequency: 62.1 kHz

 

TPL Left: -2.4 dB

TPL Right: -4.1 dB

TPL Mid: -3.5 dB

TPL Side: -12.2 dB

RMS Left: -21.7 dB

RMS Right: -21.8 dB

RMS Mid: -22.1 dB

RMS Side: -32.8 dB

CREST Avg.: 9.7 dB

IS L/M: 0

IS R/S: 0

 

Max. M-Loudness: -13.2 dB

Max. S-Loudness: -14.6 dB

Integrated Loudness: -19.2 dB

Loudness Range: 7.8 dB

PLR Avg.: 6.9 dB

 

Spectrum:

[kHz] [dB]

1 -15.4

2 -20.5

3 -31.6

4 -31.5

5 -35.3

6 -35.4

7 -39.0

8 -39.1

9 -40.8

10 -41.0

11 -41.2

12 -40.9

13 -48.8

14 -44.5

15 -49.5

16 -50.5

17 -51.7

18 -56.5

19 -60.9

20 -62.2

21 -64.3

22 -65.5

23 -66.8

24 -73.5

25 -73.6

26 -78.6

27 -82.7

28 -82.3

29 -82.4

30 -85.0

31 -84.5

32 -84.2

33 -84.9

34 -88.1

35 -90.5

36 -86.2

37 -84.8

38 -82.3

39 -84.0

40 -81.6

41 -82.6

42 -87.1

43 -88.0

44 -89.5

45 -91.0

46 -90.5

47 -91.2

48 -90.7

49 -89.7

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]18390[/ATTACH]

 

@craighartley

For the none technical...what is your read of this data? i am keenly interested in downloading Belonging if the provenance is good. This is a sublime album and one of my all time favourites.

WDW

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@craighartley

For the none technical...what is your read of this data? i am keenly interested in downloading Belonging if the provenance is good. This is a sublime album and one of my all time favourites.

WDW

 

I don't think mkrzych is right but it would be good if somebody more expert than me could comment.

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I don't think mkrzych is right but it would be good if somebody more expert than me could comment.

 

Certainly I could be wrong, it is not easy to judge for the files provenance without knowing about the recording chain. It just my feeling.

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Krzysztof Maj

http://mkrzych.wordpress.com/

"Music is the highest form of art. It is also the most noble. It is human emotion, captured, crystallised, encased… and then passed on to others." - By Ken Ishiwata

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