PAP Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 3/11/2020 at 12:00 AM, PAP said: I don't think I can hear a difference between 352 and 96 but the Sound Liaison DXD recordings seems even more impressive than their 24/96 . Compare the 2 Witmer trio recordings; DXD vs 24/96 That would suggests that when recording in DXD there are benefits. This is the equipment used on the Witmer album; Quote Used equipment:Microphones:Cajan: Rens Heijnis RCM-402 (2x)Han: Josephson C700Maarten: Josephson C617 (overhead) / Audix D6 (kick drum)Main system - Schoeps MK5 (AB)Micpre's: Merging Horus PremiumMicrophone cables: AudioQuest / MogamiMixing speakers: TAD Compact Evolution OneMixing headphones: Sennheiser HD800sPower Amplifier: Moon 760ASpeaker cables: AudioQuest AspenPower Conditioner: AudioQuest Niagara 5000 Link to comment
The_K-Man Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 On March 1, 2020 at 4:13 PM, sandyk said: Barry Diament disagrees with that. He says that 24/192 gets very close to what he hears through his microphone feed, and is virtually indistinguishable. This is why all his recent recordings are 24/192 , not 24/96 of the earlier recordings If Barry Diament disagrees with what I said then Barry Diament himself can come on these forums and say so. I'm sticking to what I said: HOW a mic is used in a particular project has far more impact, audibly, than what format is used to capture it. Link to comment
The_K-Man Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 On March 1, 2020 at 2:07 PM, PAP said: I believe the most important factor is how the source was recorded. The DXD recordings mentioned in this thread are superior in SQ to all my other recordings. "DXD" - Direct to disc? Link to comment
Popular Post DuckToller Posted March 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, The_K-Man said: If Barry Diament disagrees with what I said then Barry Diament himself can come on these forums and say so. You can find a lot of useful content from Barry, if you use the search function. Mr. Diamond had been a very insightful contributor over a 7 year period. Besides that he enhanced the forums with his professional accolades. Unfortunately he's been driven away from the forum by the animosity and uncivility of the few radicals, which had sometimes dominated discussion in this forum. That has been before you've joined or shortly after. Personally, I found this a loss. Teresa and firedog 1 1 Link to comment
ted_b Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 K-Man, DXD is the industry's acronym for 24/352k PCM. It developed out of the need to edit within a DSD workflow, and 24/352 was chosen. Over simplified. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
The_K-Man Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 4 hours ago, ted_b said: K-Man, DXD is the industry's acronym for 24/352k PCM. It developed out of the need to edit within a DSD workflow, and 24/352 was chosen. Over simplified. So it's just another format - just what I suspected. Again, content, session procedures, choices of mics, amount/types of processing in post, all matter far more than format. You don't know me that well, do you... Allow me to introduce myself, -The ANTIFORMAT... Link to comment
PAP Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 DXD is Pcm. And here is a free format comparison sampler: Test your DAC! Free Format Comparison Quote All the different formats have the same source file, DXD 352kHz (Studio Master).We used the AUL ConverteR 48x44 for the conversion to DSD and Wavelab for the conversion to the other PCM formats and FLAC.When you compare different sample rates always start with the lowest resolution.During listening don't focus too much, hearing is as individual as taste but hearing is also something which can be acquired, like the taste of good wine.You can choose from the following formats: 1. DXD 352kHz 2. PCM 192kHz 3. PCM 176kHz 4. PCM 96kHz 5. PCM 44kHz 6. DSD 256 7. DSD 128 8. DSD 64 9 . FLAC 352kHz10. FLAC 192kHz 11. FLAC 96kHz The song is called 'A Fool For You' and is performed by Carmen Gomes Inc.It’s taken from the album 'Carmen Sings The Blues'. -carmen-gomes-sings-the-blues Link to comment
The_K-Man Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 42 minutes ago, PAP said: DXD is Pcm. And here is a free format comparison sampler: Test your DAC! Free Format Comparison Splittn' hairs. Anyone who can honestly hear a difference probably eats Alpo and chases squirrels. -The ANTIFORMAT Teresa 1 Link to comment
PAP Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, The_K-Man said: Splittn' hairs. Anyone who can honestly hear a difference probably eats Alpo and chases squirrels. -The ANTIFORMAT what are your suggestions K-Man? Would you have a few favorite albums for the thread? Link to comment
The_K-Man Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 hours ago, PAP said: what are your suggestions K-Man? Would you have a few favorite albums for the thread? My tastes probably aren't high-brow enough, but here goes: Aaron Copland - Greatest Hits(Fanfare For The Comman Man, El Salon, etc.) Fleetwood Mac - Rumours Michael Jackson - Off The Wall, Thriller The Police - Oultlandos d'Amor, Ghost In The Machine, Synchronicity Rossini - any Greatest Hits that includes William Tell and Barber of Seville Steely Dan - Aja Donna Summer - The Dance Collection - LP or CD (Proof that dance music doesn't need the SCHITT compressed out of it!) Ninety-nine Percenter stuff, y'know? -The ANTIFORMAT PAP 1 Link to comment
PAP Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 There are few of these I need to check. Thanks! Link to comment
PAP Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 3/20/2020 at 8:58 PM, The_K-Man said: My tastes probably aren't high-brow enough, but here goes: Rossini - any Greatest Hits that includes William Tell and Barber of Seville -The ANTIFORMAT Which recording? Link to comment
The_K-Man Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 On March 29, 2020 at 11:33 AM, PAP said: Which recording? Telarc cat# CD-80334 Link to comment
PAP Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 6 hours ago, The_K-Man said: Telarc cat# CD-80334 Thanks! The_K-Man 1 Link to comment
The_K-Man Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 15 hours ago, PAP said: Thanks! This is one of the tools I use to teach Millennials about DyNaMic RaNgE. PAP 1 Link to comment
PAP Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 On 2/29/2020 at 4:23 PM, The_K-Man said: Just remember, any difference you hear between the 24/96 and the 24/192 is 90% attributable to the mixing and/or mastering of each. On 3/1/2020 at 10:13 PM, sandyk said: Barry Diament disagrees with that. He says that 24/192 gets very close to what he hears through his microphone feed, and is virtually indistinguishable. This is why all his recent recordings are 24/192 , not 24/96 of the earlier recordings Frans de Rond says "We're recording in 352kHz, aka DXD format, using Merging equipment because of the sound. We have compared 192 kHz to 352kHz (DXD) and especially at the recording stage you hear a clear difference. DXD has a more accurate sound stage and more depth. It sounds more natural...actually closer to analog." quote taken from Joe Whips fine article on him in this forum, sound-liaison-one-mic-recordings Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted April 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 3:14 PM, PAP said: Thanks! Milan and PAP 1 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Milan Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 5:56 PM, PAP said: Check out the latest ONE MIC RECORDINGS the SQ is maybe even better than the 2 best album award winners. Yes both extremely well recorded, and the music is good too, maybe a little more highbrow than the Gomes or the Feenbrothers but nevertheless audiophile must haves. All their albums are on a 20 % discount at the moment: https://www.soundliaison.com/ PAP 1 Link to comment
PAP Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 On 4/19/2020 at 7:37 PM, PAP said: Frans de Rond says "We're recording in 352kHz, aka DXD format, using Merging equipment because of the sound. We have compared 192 kHz to 352kHz (DXD) and especially at the recording stage you hear a clear difference. DXD has a more accurate sound stage and more depth. It sounds more natural...actually closer to analog." quote taken from Joe Whips fine article on him in this forum, sound-liaison-one-mic-recordings On 3/1/2020 at 10:13 PM, sandyk said: Barry Diament disagrees with that. He says that 24/192 gets very close to what he hears through his microphone feed, and is virtually indistinguishable. This is why all his recent recordings are 24/192 , not 24/96 of the earlier recordings I wonder if Barry would go up to 352 nowadays as well. Link to comment
PAP Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 Barry Diament and Frans De Rond seems to agree on the essentials; from the https://www.soundliaison.com/ website; Quote In a sense when recording with one microphone the mix is done before I press record.I have to make the complete sound stage on the spot by carefully moving each instrument closer or further away as well as left and right in relationship to the microphone.Listening to the results of this approach the advantages are obvious; phase coherence, perfect imaging, great sense of depth and superior realism.Another advantage is that it forces the band being recorded to really play. There is nowhere to hide, no fixing it in the mix, it’s now or never. from the http://www.soundkeeperrecordings.com/ website; Quote All our recordings are done on location, live to stereo with no overdubs or mixes. All music must be original (unless it is in the public domain). Artists must be able to play live, without a public address system and without headphones. All takes are complete performances, balanced by the artist. Teresa 1 Link to comment
Popular Post PAP Posted May 16, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2020 excellent Reference Recording of Doug Macleod. Great placement, depth and realism. Highly recommended. https://referencerecordings.com/recording/break-the-chain/ mevdinc and blue2 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post PAP Posted May 18, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2020 Another great recording from 1959, best recording year in the history of music:); Teresa and Milan 1 1 Link to comment
PAP Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 2/29/2020 at 4:23 PM, The_K-Man said: Just remember, any difference you hear between the 24/96 and the 24/192 is 90% attributable to the mixing and/or mastering of each. On 3/1/2020 at 10:13 PM, sandyk said: Barry Diament disagrees with that. He says that 24/192 gets very close to what he hears through his microphone feed, and is virtually indistinguishable. This is why all his recent recordings are 24/192 , not 24/96 of the earlier recordings I guess Barry Diament knows what he is talking about, he must have good ears, he was the mastering engineer on many an audiophiles Holy Grail album; The Eagles - Hotel California. Link to comment
WAM Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 During our search for a new amp we used (among many other tracks) Doors: Riders on the Storm. If I was looking for my umbrella, we had a contender. PAP 1 Link to comment
sandyk Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 hours ago, PAP said: I guess Barry Diament knows what he is talking about, he must have good ears, he was the mastering engineer on many an audiophiles Holy Grail album; The Eagles - Hotel California. Barry's wife has very good ears too.When she was younger she could hear 23kHz. ! Here are some of his other albums from his time at Atlantic Records https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/essential-barry-diament-masterings.131468/https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/essential-barry-diament-masterings-part-2.220334/page-12 PAP 1 How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
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