Chuck B Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 What linear supply did you use and where did you get it? Thanks. I'm using a diy unit from diy audio Super Regulator V2.2 - Power Supplies and Accessories - Circuit Boards It may be overkill, I had it sitting around so I hooked it up to see if it would make a difference and it's worth doing. Gives more definition and focus. I have another unit with a LT1085 and I will report back any difference. Link to comment
stevem2 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Thanks Chuck B, I will check it out. Link to comment
Piopio Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Having a bad time trying to this to work. No matter my jriver setting tracks don't play. Are there any special port settings? Is the computer with JRiver connected to internet ? Try set DNS to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. Is BBB visible in Windows as multimedia device ? PP AUDIO (PPA USB, LINEAR POWER SUPPLY, DESIGNED FOR AUDIO) + DAPHILE + WIMP HI-FI -> OPPO BD-105D AS DAC -> Musical Fidelity kW500 -> MAGNEPAN MG 1.7 + VELODYNE EQ-MAX10 Link to comment
Piopio Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 This is 100% but perfect as long as the volume is set to 100. Hmm. I tried BubbleUPnP ... the volume was set to 100 but BBB was quieter than USB of PC. I still think that the soft is not bit-perfect ... PP AUDIO (PPA USB, LINEAR POWER SUPPLY, DESIGNED FOR AUDIO) + DAPHILE + WIMP HI-FI -> OPPO BD-105D AS DAC -> Musical Fidelity kW500 -> MAGNEPAN MG 1.7 + VELODYNE EQ-MAX10 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Hmm. I tried BubbleUPnP ... the volume was set to 100 but BBB was quieter than USB of PC. I still think that the soft is not bit-perfect ... I tested the output and it is bit perfect. I'm trying to think about what's going on in your case. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Chuck B Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Hmm. I tried BubbleUPnP ... the volume was set to 100 but BBB was quieter than USB of PC. I still think that the soft is not bit-perfect ... Check that volume leveling in your DLNA server settings is not checked. see http://www.computeraudiophile.com/attachments/f3-article-comments/17563-article-geek-speak-how-build-universal-plug-dplay-digital-living-network-alliance-openhome-renderer-less-%24100-image.jpg Link to comment
Krutsch Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I'm confused. The title says: "UPnP / DLNA / OpenHome Renderer" but the comments lead me to think that MPD in this instance is not configured as a DLNA Renderer. I'm definitely going to order the parts and do this; I am dying for a OpenHome renderer for my Head-Fi stack, and this seems to fit the bill. Thanks for posting the complete set of instructions! "Play the volume as loud as you want - but don't touch my levels now. I got them set just the way I like 'em." Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 I'm confused. The title says: "UPnP / DLNA / OpenHome Renderer" but the comments lead me to think that MPD in this instance is not configured as a DLNA Renderer. I'm definitely going to order the parts and do this; I am dying for a OpenHome renderer for my Head-Fi stack, and this seems to fit the bill. Thanks for posting the complete set of instructions! Hi krutsch - The renderer uses a combination of MPD and upmpdcli. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
rogerdn Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Is there a way to run Spotify on this ? rogerdn Link to comment
Krutsch Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Hi krutsch - The renderer uses a combination of MPD and upmpdcli. Ah. I see now. I guess I could've Googled that one. Thanks! "Play the volume as loud as you want - but don't touch my levels now. I got them set just the way I like 'em." Link to comment
jhwalker Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I'll add my compliments. Seems like this hardware might be able to be used as an NAA for HQPlayer without a lot of trouble. Anyone taken a stab at getting this going? I finished my build just a couple of days ago and am enjoying it so far but would love to have the device available as an NAA, as well. PS - Anyone else having issues with each new stream being garbled? I'm using JRiver MC to play to "Net Audio" but each new song / album starts out garbled (i.e., wrong sample rate, static, etc.) when I hit play. I have to stop that stream, then restart, after which it plays flawlessly until the next stop. Any ideas about this? John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Anyone taken a stab at getting this going? I finished my build just a couple of days ago and am enjoying it so far but would love to have the device available as an NAA, as well. PS - Anyone else having issues with each new stream being garbled? I'm using JRiver MC to play to "Net Audio" but each new song / album starts out garbled (i.e., wrong sample rate, static, etc.) when I hit play. I have to stop that stream, then restart, after which it plays flawlessly until the next stop. Any ideas about this? I haven't seen that problem yet. Do you have any other UPnP software to try to see if you can duplication the issue? Just trying to figure out if it's an issue with JRiver or the renderer. What DAC are you using? USB or HDMI? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
jhwalker Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I haven't seen that problem yet. Do you have any other UPnP software to try to see if you can duplication the issue? Just trying to figure out if it's an issue with JRiver or the renderer. What DAC are you using? USB or HDMI? I'm using an iFi Micro iDSD attached via USB. As I noted, once the stream is started properly, it plays without issue, including all PCM rates I've tried and DSD. I'll give it a try with Minimserver + some other iOS based UPnP solution to see if I have the same problem and let you know - appreciate your help! John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
jhwalker Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I'm using an iFi Micro iDSD attached via USB. As I noted, once the stream is started properly, it plays without issue, including all PCM rates I've tried and DSD. I'll give it a try with Minimserver + some other iOS based UPnP solution to see if I have the same problem and let you know - appreciate your help! UPDATE: I've now tried with several combinations of server / controller (+ different USB cables, etc.) and still having the glitches. Pattern is not 100% reproducible, but at least once every 2 or 3 plays, the track starts very garbled - the music is recognizable, but mostly static, usually the wrong tempo, etc. It's as if the streamer and the DAC are not fully in agreement as to what sample rate / bit depth the incoming signal is. If you stop playback, wait a second, then try again, it usually (90% of the time) works on the second try. Tomorrow I may try some other DACs (Geek Out 720, iFi Nano iDSD, etc.) to see if the same problem exists aside from my iFi Micro iDSD. Will let you know what I find out - given we're all using the identical image, it's surprising (to me, at least) that no on else is seeing the issue unless it's simply a glitch in my (very simple) playback chain. John Walker - IT Executive Headphone - SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable Ethernet > mRendu Roon endpoint > Topping D90 > Topping A90d > Dan Clark Expanse / HiFiMan H6SE v2 / HiFiman Arya Stealth Home Theater / Music -SonicTransporter i9 running Roon Server > Netgear Orbi > Blue Jeans Cable HDMI > Denon X3700h > Anthem Amp for front channels > Revel F208-based 5.2.4 Atmos speaker system Link to comment
Ted Smith Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I see it too, mostly the first time I play something in a new listening session, but rarely at other times too. It usually "heals" itself if I stop and start or skip to the next track. Both with foobar2000 and with JRiver MC 19 and 20. If it matters I'm going to a PS Audio DirectStream DAC. Link to comment
Piopio Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I tested the output and it is bit perfect. I'm trying to think about what's going on in your case. Volume control sholud be disable to achieve bit-perfect output. I tried volumio.org. I disabled volume control and now BBB plays as loud as USB of PC. I am sorry to say but BBB with soft from volumio sounds much better than with soft from CA. Thanks for idea of cheap streamer but the soft must be improved. PP AUDIO (PPA USB, LINEAR POWER SUPPLY, DESIGNED FOR AUDIO) + DAPHILE + WIMP HI-FI -> OPPO BD-105D AS DAC -> Musical Fidelity kW500 -> MAGNEPAN MG 1.7 + VELODYNE EQ-MAX10 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 Volume control sholud be disable to achieve bit-perfect output. I tried volumio.org. I disabled volume control and now BBB plays as loud as USB of PC. I am sorry to say but BBB with soft from volumio sounds much better than with soft from CA. Thanks for idea of cheap streamer but the soft must be improved. Hi Piopio - Volume control does not have to be disabled to achieve bit perfect output. In all cases of all computer audio the volume just needs to be at maximum level. What DAC are you using? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 UPDATE: I've now tried with several combinations of server / controller (+ different USB cables, etc.) and still having the glitches. Pattern is not 100% reproducible, but at least once every 2 or 3 plays, the track starts very garbled - the music is recognizable, but mostly static, usually the wrong tempo, etc. It's as if the streamer and the DAC are not fully in agreement as to what sample rate / bit depth the incoming signal is. If you stop playback, wait a second, then try again, it usually (90% of the time) works on the second try. Tomorrow I may try some other DACs (Geek Out 720, iFi Nano iDSD, etc.) to see if the same problem exists aside from my iFi Micro iDSD. Will let you know what I find out - given we're all using the identical image, it's surprising (to me, at least) that no on else is seeing the issue unless it's simply a glitch in my (very simple) playback chain. Thanks for the update. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 I see it too, mostly the first time I play something in a new listening session, but rarely at other times too. It usually "heals" itself if I stop and start or skip to the next track. Both with foobar2000 and with JRiver MC 19 and 20. If it matters I'm going to a PS Audio DirectStream DAC. Thanks for the info. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Piopio Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 What DAC are you using? Oppo BD-105D. CA - try volumio.org ;-) Compare to your soft and try to resolve problem with volume. BB should play as loud as USB port without any action. PP AUDIO (PPA USB, LINEAR POWER SUPPLY, DESIGNED FOR AUDIO) + DAPHILE + WIMP HI-FI -> OPPO BD-105D AS DAC -> Musical Fidelity kW500 -> MAGNEPAN MG 1.7 + VELODYNE EQ-MAX10 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 27, 2015 Author Share Posted March 27, 2015 Oppo BD-105D. CA - try volumio.org ;-) Compare to your soft and try to resolve problem with volume. BB should play as loud as USB port without any action. Just retested the image and it's still bit perfect. I have no clue what's happening in your system. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
stevem2 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Mine also passes the PS Audio bit perfect test with my Direct Stream DAC, using JRiver MC 20 Mac and JRemote. Link to comment
AlanK Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Thanks for the detailed and accurate guide. I managed to build the BBB with no trouble. My first forays into getting it up and running consisted of trying to use an old Grace m902 headphone amp as the D/A and that did not fly. It didn't seem that the "NetAudio" was picked up when plugged into my switch, but it was when plugged directly into my router. Now that I have a new Schiit Bitfrost, I have successfully completed the audio chain. I have two questions: [1] In what ways should JRiver be configured to ensure highest quality? (2) Does anyone have an example of a better power supply for the BBB? I saw one mentioned from the UK, and the battery pack for the top of the BBB. Any others? Link to comment
Foxman50 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Has anyone compared this setup to an auralic aries. I have an aries on loan at present feeding a Hugo DAC, but am very intrigued by this. Any comments would be helpful. Cheers Link to comment
scan80269 Posted April 5, 2015 Share Posted April 5, 2015 Hi Chris, great article! A friend of mine who has played with small Linux boxes as renderers (Cubox, PogoPlug E02, etc.) said Archlinux has better SQ than Debian. He has tried Debian Squeeze and Archlinux and believes the latter can render much better tonal balance and better vocal mid-range. Would you have time to crank out an Archlinux edition of this BBB renderer, to compare with Debian Wheezy? Cheers. Link to comment
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