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11 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

I use AIFF because I find they sound better than either ALAC or FLAC, and I lose nothing regarding tagging.

 

Hi Audiodoctor ....

 

I don't know what you mean about tagging, but all 3 formats have the same capabilities for tagging? I universally use FLAC and I am not wanting for any tagging options. The Aurender doesn't read all of the fields anyway, AFAIK. 

 

The point raised on audio formats is much much much discussed on this and umpteen other audio forums. The subject must have cropped up hundreds/thousands of times across all the different Audio forums. Basically, everybody expresses subjective opinions on the difference. A few think there are differences, a few think there are none. And most peoples views contradict the others, so make what you will about that fact.

 

The reality is probably that the differences between the major uncompressed formats on whatever platform are imperceptible and such differences if there are any are attributable to other variables.

 

For example, I can listen to a MQA track from Tidal and compare it to the same recording on my HDD and do you know what, sometimes they sound (subtly) different and sometimes they do not, sometimes one sounds 'better' and sometimes the other one does .... but here's the rub ....

 

.......  I have not changed the audio format, but there are variables in the audio chain somewhere doing something. Mains quality, internet traffic, temperature, air pressure, humidity, my mood, my head having moved back 3-inches, my ears having a p**sed off day.... who the hell knows .... but somewhere there is a variable and it's not the audio format.

 

Do I care, no! I just let my ears adjust for 5 mins and get on with the listening!


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11 minutes ago, Vincent1234 said:

Nothing wrong with using AIFF, but as mentioned here before: WAV also supports metadata for years already and your Aurender will show them perfectly.

AIFF is perhaps more Apple and tag friendly, though otherwise I don’t think there’s a reason to choose one over the other. Aurender will display and play either. Personally, I’d choose AIFF simply because it has nothing to do with Microsoft. 

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9 minutes ago, mjb said:

AIFF is perhaps more Apple and tag friendly, though otherwise I don’t think there’s a reason to choose one over the other. Aurender will display and play either. Personally, I’d choose AIFF simply because it has nothing to do with Microsoft. 

 

Microsoft! ...... Good point! :D


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@Mazza AIFF is a straight PCM file just like wav, but in a wrapper that natively supports tags. I guess some are saying WAV supports tags now, but that wasn't always the case.  Second, I am an all Apple house.  Apple and FLAC did not always play well together either.  Lastly, storage is cheap.


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5 hours ago, Vincent1234 said:

Nothing wrong with using AIFF, but as mentioned here before: WAV also supports metadata for years already and your Aurender will show them perfectly.

 

Great.


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Will someone explain the recent move by Aurender to join the Ravenna community?

 

Thanks


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2 hours ago, mjb said:

http://www.merging.com/news/news-stories/aurender-joins-ravenna-community

 

Looks like an easy way for Aurender to offer multi-room with audio over IP.

 

Thanks, I read that. I was hoping that someone had more information. Anyone?


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I intend to borrow Nadac and make an audition at home  using Ravenna protocol available after last upgrade.

It is not clear to me how to connect Nadac and W20 using home network.

I have the router in separate room, will be grateful for any advise. I have no NAS though.

 

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RE: RAVENNA

 

Thanks @marslo I need to do a bit more research. I briefly went to the RAVENNA site a few weeks ago and didn't find much. From what I have seen this may be a very nice feature.


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Given all the current issues with Tidal, it appears there is a real likelihood of it going under, and yes, I hate to even think of that as a possibility. But, if it were to happen, our Aurenders would be reduced to nothing more than a means to access our digital libraries, in one form or another. Not a good thing.

 

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If something happened to Tidal (which I doubt) Aurender could easily send a software update to allow access to other streaming services like Deezer: I don't think this is a concern as these stories about Tidal being in trouble have circulated for a long time now

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I bought an Aurender Flow used on Audiogon to try it out: also bought a 1tb mini mSata drive for it: turns out it came with a 250gb drive installed

 

I was disappointed  to learn the SSD in the Flow does not allow standalone playback: i.e. you cannot play back music from the Flow unless it  remains connected to a PC: all the SSD does is expand the memory capacity of the connected PC

 

The Flow worked well as a headphone amp although its controls were kind of clunky

 

with this limitation, I decided to return it

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11 minutes ago, markrubin said:

I bought an Aurender Flow used on Audiogon to try it out: also bought a 1tb mini mSata drive for it: turns out it came with a 250gb drive installed

 

I was disappointed  to learn the SSD in the Flow does not allow standalone playback: i.e. you cannot play back music from the Flow unless it  remains connected to a PC: all the SSD does is expand the memory capacity of the connected PC

 

The Flow worked well as a headphone amp although its controls were kind of clunky

 

with this limitation, I decided to return it

I loved the Flow. I installed a 1TB drive. Without much storage in many laptops, it’s a great way to hold a bunch of music. 

 

The Flow shouldn’t be confused with a DAP. 


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On 4/11/2018 at 6:13 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

Be vary careful not to rush to judgement and accept this as fact. I highly recommend listening for yourself and doing some research.

 

When we were still using MPD 0.17 (same open source player as used by Aurender) and later up to 0.19 (these days we don't use MPD):

- the MPD version made a sound difference
- even the flac decoder made a difference, 0.19 had several flac decoders in different libraries

I even used to modify the decoderlist in our MPD builds. Also 0.19 and above is C++ based, the > 7 year old 0.17 is C based. Even the language made a sound difference, with no apparant changes in calling the external flac library, except that 0.19 has object based calls, and 0.17 procedural based.

So WAV vs FLAC vs uncompressed FLAC causes different load patterns on the CPU, and on most streamers this makes a sound difference. CPU's generate microwave in certain repetitive patterns, which differ between these formats.


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10 hours ago, TubeLover said:

Given all the current issues with Tidal, it appears there is a real likelihood of it going under, and yes, I hate to even think of that as a possibility. But, if it were to happen, our Aurenders would be reduced to nothing more than a means to access our digital libraries, in one form or another. Not a good thing.

 

JC

 

If you do streaming, yes. BUT if you love to listen to your own vast library, it won't mean anything. I fall into the latter category and may be in the minority here. :) 


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3 hours ago, rwwjr44 said:

 

If you do streaming, yes. BUT if you love to listen to your own vast library, it won't mean anything. I fall into the latter category and may be in the minority here. :) 

I’m in the same camp that you’re in.  I could care less about streaming on my Aurender. 


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12 hours ago, rwwjr44 said:

 

If you do streaming, yes. BUT if you love to listen to your own vast library, it won't mean anything. I fall into the latter category and may be in the minority here. :) 

Listening to my "relatively" vast library (3000 ripped cd's and a fair number of hi rez digital downloads used to be my entire focus until Tidal. The opportunity to check out new music, as it is released, and also dive deep into artists that have many, many releases, and listen to obscure artists has claimed 50% of my total listening. 

 

I have no idea how the Qobuz library compares to Tidal's in terms of the genres and types of music they support. Thats a big concern. I want to be able to listen to artists that are important to me. That and the fact that WhatHiFi says Qobuz is inferior in sound to Tidal. 

 

/www.whathifi.com/qobuz/review

 

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11 hours ago, NordicBob said:

I’m in the same camp that you’re in.  I could care less about streaming on my Aurender. 

The same here.

Tidal MQA is a nice option but I could live without it.


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I purchased my Aurender to stream music I own, I could care less if there is Deezer, Tidal or Qobuz. But that is just me and a few others, I can see if you love streaming services that would be problem if it were to stop.

 


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On 19.5.2018 at 5:45 PM, rwwjr44 said:

 

I. I fall into the latter category and may be in the minority here. :) 

+1. 

 


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Even IF Tidal would stop, which I highly doubt, there will be other companies/investors that are very interested to jump on the streaming bandwagon. Considering the traction MQA has gained in the last few years I also do not doubt that in such case MQA will be cooperating with other streaming services too. Streaming cannot be stopped just by Tidal's mismanagement.

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Very sexy new product  - cd player/ripper/server at $5,600 :-

 

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/the-2018-munich-high-end-show/


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28 minutes ago, jon2020 said:

Very sexy new product  - cd player/ripper/server at $5,600 :-

 

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/the-2018-munich-high-end-show/

 

Not for me, but if I was looking for the first time it would certainly have some merits.

 

I see a reference to enabling meta data editing through Conductor and that could be useful/convenient at sometimes, so I guess we should expect a Conductor revision soon ................


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