robmoores1 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Vincent1234 said: I guess your question involves possible noise while the harddisk is spinning to transfer data to the SSD. I have owned several Aurenders (X100L, N10, W20) and have never been able to audibly detect the harddisk spinning. The harddisk is very well damped inside the device. I haven't used the N100H myself, so maybe owners of that model can chime in. I would expect a similar outcome. Thank you. It is the potential noise from the hard disk I would concerned about - thanks for the feedback on this. I would hope the N100H mirrors your experience with the other Aurender players you have owned. Vincent1234 1 Link to post Share on other sites
merge03 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 I have an N10. I have never heard the disk drive make a sound. The N10 is about 12 feet from where I sit. robmoores1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ponzi Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 FWIW, I had an N10 for three years, loved it, and never heard the hard drive make even the lightest noise. robmoores1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Koso Posted February 24 Popular Post Share Posted February 24 13 hours ago, robmoores1 said: Thank you. It is the potential noise from the hard disk I would concerned about - thanks for the feedback on this. I would hope the N100H mirrors your experience with the other Aurender players you have owned. I have N100H. No audible noise. You have to be very close to the device to hear HDD working. Anyway, most of the time only SSD is used. Vincent1234 and robmoores1 2 Isotek Aquarius + Shunyata Hydra Triton > C.E.C. TL51XR as transport > Aurender N100H > Denafrips Gaia DDC > Denafrips Venus II DAC > Simaudio Moon 600i > Diapason Adamantes III 25th speakers > Siltech cabling Link to post Share on other sites
robmoores1 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Thanks for all the feedback. Has given me confidence to put the Aurender on my shortlist. Vincent1234 1 Link to post Share on other sites
wjt3 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Hi group-- I have a ACS10 and thinking of a new N20-- how would I use both? I like the rip feature of the ACS10 but I understand the N20 just sounds better-close to the 20se. Also, is there then a reason to install hard drives in the N20 if you have the ACS10? Not sure how to go forward--thanks in advance-- Link to post Share on other sites
Ponzi Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I had the N10 and ASC10 together, and now the W20SE and ASC10. I would not do without the ASC10, but that is mostly a function of my poor computer skills. The ASC10 makes ripping CDs and data management a snap. I realize that the playback function of the ASC10 is going unused, but at the same time adding music is now a pleasure, rather than a frustration. And I can do it with confidence that it can’t be done in a better way. Link to post Share on other sites
merge03 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 One funny thing is that laptops no longer have optical drives. Even in new full tower desktop systems, if you want an optical drive, you have to specifically add one to the build spec. My fancy new desktop does not have an optical drive, and its a high end gaming pc. Just food for thought. Link to post Share on other sites
Ponzi Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Didn't know that. All the more reason to cling to one's ASC 10. Link to post Share on other sites
wjt3 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Thanks Ponzi and Merge03!! Link to post Share on other sites
agladstone Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 It’s cheap and easy to add an external USB CD/BluRay/DVD drive to any laptop or desktop. Plenty of options out there in the $25 - $150 range depending on features and brand. Link to post Share on other sites
Aurender1 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 On 2/27/2021 at 6:30 AM, Ponzi said: I had the N10 and ASC10 together, and now the W20SE and ASC10. I would not do without the ASC10, but that is mostly a function of my poor computer skills. I have the ASC10 and considering the W20SE. What is the difference in sound quality? Link to post Share on other sites
Ponzi Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I suggest you scroll back and take a look at the many recent comments on this subject. Especially Ari’s. Link to post Share on other sites
PedroS Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 My 1st post here and already asking help... 😉 I have the Aurender N20 and the Esoteric K-03xd. Thing is, from both specifications they should be DSD native compatible, but it doesn't seem so... Everything else is perfect... Can you help here? Link to post Share on other sites
rwwjr44 Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 5 hours ago, PedroS said: My 1st post here and already asking help... 😉 I have the Aurender N20 and the Esoteric K-03xd. Thing is, from both specifications they should be DSD native compatible, but it doesn't seem so... Everything else is perfect... Can you help here? What DSD rate are you trying to play? If you exceed the maximum rate for either unit the connection may appear to be made but there is no playback. Also what file type are you using? I have found that XXX.dsd and XXX. dff will play. The XXX.ISO may or may not play. If you are not familiar about the DSD file formats visit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital. Aurender N10, Esoteric F-05 Integrated Amplifier, Synergistic Active USB, Oppo 203, Synergistic Atmosphere Level 3 UEF Speaker cables, Legacy Audio Focus SE, Rega Planar 10 turntable with Aphelion 2 cartridge. Link to post Share on other sites
agladstone Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Also, about 9 months ago, Aurender first started to support Native DSD and at that time, they had to create custom code for many of the DACs on the Market and many of us had to put in a support request to have our specific DAC models/ brands be capable of Native DSD, it’s possible that Aurender has not yet done this for your specific DAC? With format, I have found the DSF is best format and it is also capable of supporting metadata, whereas with DFF it will play, but not capable of metadata. with SACD.ISO files, I have also found it’s much faster / better / easier to use the free ISO2DSD software available for free download from Sonore.com website. Last, there is a limit of DSD256 (at least with my N100H and my Mytek Brooklyn DAC+) for playing DSD natively. So for example DSD512 and DSD 1024 files can not play. Link to post Share on other sites
PedroS Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 21 minutes ago, rwwjr44 said: What DSD rate are you trying to play? If you exceed the maximum rate for either unit the connection may appear to be made but there is no playback. Also what file type are you using? I have found that XXX.dsd and XXX. dff will play. The XXX.ISO may or may not play. If you are not familiar about the DSD file formats visit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital. any DSD native The N20 have already played them (including DSD512) with another DAC The K-03xd support native to DSD 22.5 = DSD 512 4 minutes ago, agladstone said: Also, about 9 months ago, Aurender first started to support Native DSD and at that time, they had to create custom code for many of the DACs on the Market and many of us had to put in a support request to have our specific DAC models/ brands be capable of Native DSD, it’s possible that Aurender has not yet done this for your specific DAC? With format, I have found the DSF is best format and it is also capable of supporting metadata, whereas with DFF it will play, but not capable of metadata. with SACD.ISO files, I have also found it’s much faster / better / easier to use the free ISO2DSD software available for free download from Sonore.com website. Last, there is a limit of DSD256 (at least with my N100H and my Mytek Brooklyn DAC+) for playing DSD natively. So for example DSD512 and DSD 1024 files can not play. Could be, but both state compatibility Nevertheless I opened a ticket Link to post Share on other sites
Ponzi Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Every once in while, I purchase a CD, only to rip it and find that it has no meta data (this happens more often than not with CD's recommended by Absolute Sound -- why I don't know). Using the ASC tools, I can easily add the name of the composer, the genre, etc. But not the album art. I have two questions: Why would a producer of CDs not include the mete data? Second, can I add it some how, using the ASC 10, and without having to haul out a lap top? Link to post Share on other sites
Anonamemouse Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 13 minutes ago, Ponzi said: Every once in while, I purchase a CD, only to rip it and find that it has no meta data (this happens more often than not with CD's recommended by Absolute Sound -- why I don't know). Using the ASC tools, I can easily add the name of the composer, the genre, etc. But not the album art. I have two questions: Why would a producer of CDs not include the mete data? Second, can I add it some how, using the ASC 10, and without having to haul out a lap top? Meta data is not in the redbook specifications. So technically, if a cd contains meta data, it was not made according to industry standards. About the album art, there are sites where you can download many album covers which can be added. An annoying noise annoys an oyster Link to post Share on other sites
AriMargolis Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 @PedroSThat must be a beautiful system you've got...N20 and K-03XD yessir! NativeDSD should be compatible. If you are getting an error message when you attempt to turn on "Use Native DSD" under Settings>Advanced, please send a Remote Support email so that we can take a look at the USB connection and make sure it is set up for success with Native DSD output to that DAC. I believe that is a new model...it is possible that its PID and associated settings (every DAC has a unique Product ID) has not been added to our firmware as of yet. I see that you have been in touch with our support representative, Pablo, and I expect he will be getting back to you shortly. Link to post Share on other sites
PedroS Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, AriMargolis said: @PedroSThat must be a beautiful system you've got...N20 and K-03XD yessir! NativeDSD should be compatible. If you are getting an error message when you attempt to turn on "Use Native DSD" under Settings>Advanced, please send a Remote Support email so that we can take a look at the USB connection and make sure it is set up for success with Native DSD output to that DAC. I believe that is a new model...it is possible that its PID and associated settings (every DAC has a unique Product ID) has not been added to our firmware as of yet. I see that you have been in touch with our support representative, Pablo, and I expect he will be getting back to you shortly. Indeed both are new models, but boy... what a sound. I'll do! Thanks, my system is a simple one: Atoll MS120, Aurender N20, Esoteric K-03xd, DartZeel CTH-8550 MkII and Sonus Faber Serafinos Link to post Share on other sites
AriMargolis Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 58 minutes ago, Ponzi said: Every once in while, I purchase a CD, only to rip it and find that it has no meta data (this happens more often than not with CD's recommended by Absolute Sound -- why I don't know). Using the ASC tools, I can easily add the name of the composer, the genre, etc. But not the album art. I have two questions: Why would a producer of CDs not include the mete data? Second, can I add it some how, using the ASC 10, and without having to haul out a lap top? @Ponzithe CDs themselves do not actually contain any metadata in most cases. Upon inserting the CD into the ACS10, the system pings a variety of metadata resources online to download metadata that matches that CD. This is the same way every good CD ripping software works. If Album Cover art is missing, you can always add it in the ACS Manager app under "Smart Tag Editor": ...Finally...don't forget to tap "Save" on the upper right when you are finished... Link to post Share on other sites
agladstone Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 @AriMargolis that ACS smart tag editor interface looks great! Are there any plans in the future to ass these capabilities to the Conductor app for the players and not exclusively for the ACS series? It would be a dream to be able to do these things within Conductor and not have to constantly go to my computer to edit metadata and add album art! Also, an unrelated request, but last night I found myself actually needing to check Left / Right speakers after rearranging some of my interconnects and I realized that the feature which was added to the iPad conductor app was not available on the iPhone conductor app. Is it possible to request that it gets added to a future update to the iPhone app? Link to post Share on other sites
AriMargolis Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, agladstone said: It would be a dream to be able to do these things within Conductor and not have to constantly go to my computer to edit metadata and add album art! @agladstoneyes that would be awesome! Aurender's engineering team has considered this. Unfortunately I'm afraid most non-ACS models do not have the processing power needed to make this kind of thing run smoothly and reliably. 2 hours ago, agladstone said: the feature which was added to the iPad conductor app was not available on the iPhone conductor app This is one of those things that will probably just have to wait until V4. Thanks, Allen! Link to post Share on other sites
agladstone Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Thanks for the explanation @AriMargolis, that actually makes sense (lack of processing power). I suppose yet another reason why I need to upgrade to an ACS10! In regards to the Left / Right for the iPhone app, it’s definitely not a critical feature! I had even wondered why Aurender had bothered with adding it to the iPad app until last night when I actually found myself needing it!! Link to post Share on other sites
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