OT. Global WHAT?

[mayhem13]

You can see how some New Yorkers might not agree with current global warming models when there's seals and icebergs in New York Harbor! Why pay the $14 bridge toll to get to New Jersey today when you can walk across!

[sbgk]

You can see how some New Yorkers might not agree with current global warming models when there's seals and icebergs in New York Harbor! Why pay the $14 bridge toll to get to New Jersey today when you can walk across!

 

think you'll find that in the film The Day after Tomorrow it was predicted that warming would lead to New York becoming glaciated. Just make sure you pay your climate change taxes and the government will make sure everything is ok.

[Jabs1542]

Fairfax County schools cancelled classes today because it is cold. This is ridiculous.

[mav52]

Just move south, it was 24 @ 3:39 this morning with a 68% humidity. Time to head to the beach for some surf fishing.

 

But I feel your pain

[sbgk]

the CIA are investigating if Russia is controlling the weather to boost vodka exports to the US.

[beetlemania]

You can see how some New Yorkers might not agree with current global warming models when there's seals and icebergs in New York Harbor! Why pay the $14 bridge toll to get to New Jersey today when you can walk across!

 

Here in UT, a ski resort is already closed and a couple more are on the edge. There is zero low elevation snow and the mid- and upper-elevation snowpacks are way below average. So far this month, we are running 4 degrees warmer than the previous record warm February. Where normally there is snow in my yard, bulbs are popping up. Grass fires are occurring in farm fields. The calendar insists it's February.

[new_media]

Seattle is also on track for the warmest winter on record by almost two degrees. The ski resorts in the Cascades are in the same boat as the ones in Utah.

 

I mowed my grass the day after Valentine's day, and my daffodils and flowering trees are in bloom. Definitely an early spring here.

 

Also...

 

 

NASA, NOAA Find 2014 Warmest Year in Modern Record | NASA

[sdolezalek]

think you'll find that in the film The Day after Tomorrow it was predicted that warming would lead to New York becoming glaciated.

 

Yes, although that film was "for entertainment purposes," they actually did a good job of looking at what the climate models were predicting and the end result is that this film may have more of a future-telling impact on the public than the Al Gore "inconvenient truth" film that was intended to be purely factual.

 

The combination of a "wobbly" jet stream around the north pole, plus the fact that storms in the Atlantic and Pacific are forming a bit further north means that from Washington through New England are much more likely to get pummeled with rain in summer and snow in winter, while we on the northern half of the west coast are likely to have glorious weather but no water. Just remember that warmer also means more energy and therefore over time more severe versions of whatever your getting, be that drought or deluge.

[firedog]

Mayhem

 

Global warming was an unfortunately chosen name for pr purposes. The term should be "climate change", as the predictions actually include warmer, colder,drier, and wetter weather - depending on where you live.

[wgscott]

We've had 70 to 80+ F weather here recently (73 F predicted for today) and it hardly ever rains. Much of my landscaping is dying off, and if I water too much, my well will go dry. The CA Central Valley is running out of water, which means the US agricultural production is going to suffer a massive hit. Enjoy the weather while you can.

[wgscott]

Mayhem

 

Global warming was an unfortunately chosen name for pr purposes. The term should be "climate change", as the predictions actually include warmer, colder,drier, and wetter weather - depending on where you live.

 

 

This

[wgscott]

NASA, NOAA Find 2014 Warmest Year in Modern Record | NASA

 

and this.

[mayhem13]

Mayhem

 

Global warming was an unfortunately chosen name for pr purposes. The term should be "climate change", as the predictions actually include warmer, colder,drier, and wetter weather - depending on where you live.

 

Agreed.....and hence my post title. You can see how some less tuned to current events might conclude that 'global warming' is a sham.

 

......and to a degree IMO it is, in that I'm not convinced by the data that it's all a result of industrialization. Resisting change is a futile maneuver. Adapt and get on with it. Random cataclysmic events happen with far more impact and less recovering than what's being predicted. Liken it to eating organics, exercising regularly, relaxing with music and BLAMM!, a car swerves to avoid a stray and it's all over while you're shopping a sidewalk market for some Tofu. Nothing to be done, no adaptation, prediction,......just chaos.

[Paul R]

We've had 70 to 80+ F weather here recently (73 F predicted for today) and it hardly ever rains. Much of my landscaping is dying off, and if I water too much, my well will go dry. The CA Central Valley is running out of water, which means the US agricultural production is going to suffer a massive hit. Enjoy the weather while you can.

 

Yeah, and -35F in Minnesota while it is +70F here too.

 

Not a lot of that is easily tied to anthropomorphic climate change, which is the problem. We don't know how much of what is causing the issues. Are we accelerating a global trend, or retarding it?

 

We should probably spend the next 10 years learning more about what is going on and why rather than taking economically ruinous actions now that may turn out to be totally ineffective. Or worse, push things in a direction that we don't really want to go.

 

Things getting a bit warmer is a whole lot less of a problem than things getting colder. You can grow more food in warm place than in places covered with a couple clicks of ice.

[Jud]

Nothing to be done, no adaptation, prediction,......just chaos.

 

There are certainly enough variables in an audio system, the home environment(s) and the listener(s) to make things somewhat less predictable and more chaotic. But there's an overall trend or "signal" that can be discerned amidst the chaos. Same for climate change.

 

Edit: Shorter version - weather ain't climate.

[Jud]

Just remember that warmer also means more energy and therefore over time more severe versions of whatever your getting, be that drought or deluge.

 

Bingo.

[Audio_ELF]

We should probably spend the next 10 years learning more about what is going on and why rather than taking economically ruinous actions now that may turn out to be totally ineffective. Or worse, push things in a direction that we don't really want to go.

Typical denial response.

 

Even if climate change is not predominantly man made (which is doubtful) most actions proposed are of a passive natural.

 

It can never be a bad thing to reduce the rape of the planet, reduce our energy usage, burn less hydrocarbons.

 

Eloise

[sbgk]

Seattle is also on track for the warmest winter on record by almost two degrees. The ski resorts in the Cascades are in the same boat as the ones in Utah.

 

I mowed my grass the day after Valentine's day, and my daffodils and flowering trees are in bloom. Definitely an early spring here.

 

Also...

 

 

NASA, NOAA Find 2014 Warmest Year in Modern Record | NASA

 

 

for some balance

 

2014 Was Not the 'Hottest Year on Record'. So Why Did NASA Claim It Was? - Breitbart

 

the criteria by which NASA declared “2014 was the hottest year on record” do not stand up to serious scientific scrutiny.

Yet the Nasa press release failed to mention this, as well as the fact that the alleged ‘record’ amounted to an increase over 2010, the previous ‘warmest year’, of just two-hundredths of a degree – or 0.02C. The margin of error is said by scientists to be approximately 0.1C – several times as much.

As a result, GISS’s director Gavin Schmidt has now admitted Nasa thinks the likelihood that 2014 was the warmest year since 1880 is just 38 per cent.

 

Here is Le Bon on the most important weapon in the demagogue’s armoury:

It was Napoleon, I believe, who said that there is only one figure in rhetoric of serious importance, repetition. The thing affirmed comes by repetition to fix itself in the mind in such a way that it is accepted as a demonstrated truth.

The influence of repetition on crowds is comprehensible when the power is seen which it exercises on most enlightened minds. This power is due to the fact that the repeated statement is embedded in the long run in those profound regions of our unconscious selves in which the motives of our actions are forged. At the end of a certain time we have forgotten who is the author of the repeated assertion, and we finish by believing it. To this circumstance is due the astonishing power of advertisements. When we have read a hundred, a thousand, times that X’s chocolate is the best, we imagine we have heard it said in many quarters, and we end by acquiring the certitude that such is the fact.

[Paul R]

Typical denial response.

 

Even if climate change is not predominantly man made (which is doubtful) most actions proposed are of a passive natural.

 

It can never be a bad thing to reduce the rape of the planet, reduce our energy usage, burn less hydrocarbons.

 

Eloise

 

Except I am not a denier. Just old enough to remember when nuclear winter was the great bogeyman of the future.

 

Seriously though, I do not think what you are saying is clear thinking. It is possible all those extra tons of carbon may be helping to stave off the next ice age. That would be a very good thing. Nobody has the facts to either prove or disprove half the wild ass theories floating around.

 

Besides- rape of the planet? It's not mother earth, it is a great big hunk of rock. If you want to do planetary engineering, it would be best to drop the false illusions. It survived the siberian traps eruptions, and so, just barely, did the life on the planet. Nothing all the people on the planet can do woukd equal that, including all out nulear war. Admittedly, you would not have to do one tenth that much damage to kill off all of us.

[esldude]

for some balance

 

2014 Was Not the 'Hottest Year on Record'. So Why Did NASA Claim It Was? - Breitbart

 

the criteria by which NASA declared “2014 was the hottest year on record” do not stand up to serious scientific scrutiny.

Yet the Nasa press release failed to mention this, as well as the fact that the alleged ‘record’ amounted to an increase over 2010, the previous ‘warmest year’, of just two-hundredths of a degree – or 0.02C. The margin of error is said by scientists to be approximately 0.1C – several times as much.

As a result, GISS’s director Gavin Schmidt has now admitted Nasa thinks the likelihood that 2014 was the warmest year since 1880 is just 38 per cent.

 

Here is Le Bon on the most important weapon in the demagogue’s armoury:

It was Napoleon, I believe, who said that there is only one figure in rhetoric of serious importance, repetition. The thing affirmed comes by repetition to fix itself in the mind in such a way that it is accepted as a demonstrated truth.

The influence of repetition on crowds is comprehensible when the power is seen which it exercises on most enlightened minds. This power is due to the fact that the repeated statement is embedded in the long run in those profound regions of our unconscious selves in which the motives of our actions are forged. At the end of a certain time we have forgotten who is the author of the repeated assertion, and we finish by believing it. To this circumstance is due the astonishing power of advertisements. When we have read a hundred, a thousand, times that X’s chocolate is the best, we imagine we have heard it said in many quarters, and we end by acquiring the certitude that such is the fact.

 

That is not balance it is BS. The talk about confidence levels and margin of error are by someone who has no idea what they are or how they are used. Or by someone with an ax to grind.

[Jud]

That is not balance it is BS. The talk about confidence levels and margin of error are by someone who has no idea what they are or how they are used. Or by someone with an ax to grind.

 

sbgk is moving up in the world on this topic. The last guy he cited has a lengthy entry in "Encyclopedia of American Loons." This one isn't in the Encyclopedia, but does get appreciative headlines like this: "Pure Fabrication, Lies and Global Warming Denial Propaganda from None Other Than Andrew Breitbart's Big Government"

 

Edit: Oh, also, when Breitbart, a Fox News guy, was alive, he called for climate scientist James Hansen to be executed.

[Jud]

Seriously though, what you are saying is not clear thinking. It is possible all those extra tons of carbon may be helping to stave off the next ice age. That would be a very goid thing. Nobody has the facts to either prove or disprove half the wild ass theories floating around.

 

Besides- rape of the planet? It's not mother earth, it is a great big hunk of rock. If you want to do planetary engineering, it woukd be best to drop the false illusions it is anything that can be raped. It survived the siberian traps eruptions, and so, just barely, did the life on the planet. Nothing all the people on the planet can do woykd equal that. Admittedly, you woukd not have to half that much damage to kill off all of us.

 

Eloise, you may take comfort in the fact that what Paul considers "clear thinking" tends to come from places like web sites bankrolled by the oil billionaire Koch Brothers.

[dean70]

Climate moves in cycles. We don't (yet) fully understand what those cycles are...but that doesn't stop the so called experts using doctored models and data to claim global warming.

[Paul R]

Eloise, you may take comfort in the fact that what Paul considers "clear thinking" tends to come from places like web sites bankrolled by the oil billionaire Koch Brothers.

 

Eh, no. From Systems Analysts, and other people with the same kind of training. Systems are not simple things, and when you talk planetary scale systems, they are complex beyond belief.

 

Note that I am not saying global warming is not real, or that we should not spend money and take action about it.

 

I am saying that I believe it is foolish to do something, anything, just to be doing something. Before we have a clear understanding of the effects of our actions.

 

Not trying to fight with you guys, but you think audio is complex? Dead simple in comparison.

[Jud]

Eh, no. From Systems Analysts, and other people with the same kind of training. Systems are not simple things, and when you talk planetary scale systems, they are complex beyond belief.

 

Note that I am not saying global warming is not real, or that we should not spend money and take action about it.

 

I am saying that I believe it is foolish to do something, anything, just to be doing something. Before we have a clear understanding of the effects of our actions.

 

 

There is greater scientific consensus regarding the causes and directionality of climate change than about gravity at the moment. Think about that.