gmgraves Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 The producers of the shows obviously believe the music will resonate will viewers of these shows. You probably pay more attention to these songs than most people watching these shows though. If you asked the average viewer what they thought about these ending songs, their first question would be "what song?" It is only music lovers who pay attention to music these days. Well, you certainly have a point with that last comment! George Link to comment
kumakuma Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Stop acting like a confrontational idiot! I am asking a legitimate question about a subject that I have no knowledge of. I'm admitting ignorance here and asking for somebody to explain to me whether this trend has any legitimacy or is just some commercial gimmick that nobody cares about. Obviously, I don't like the trend, if I did, I'd have a feel for what constitutes good and bad modern pop music. I have said nothing against those who do like it, and in fact, I think I've made it clear that I'd like for someone who does like it to come forward and explain it to me. A better way to see if you have a feel for what constitutes "good" or "bad" pop music would be see what you think of the top ten albums on the Billboard 200 chart. Regardless of whether you think they are good or bad, at least these have to be considered successful examples of popular music because music buyers have voted for them with their wallets. Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Bob Stern Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Some of the programs that I have noticed that do this as a matter of course are: Hawaii Five-O, The Mentalist, Criminal Minds, Scorpion, NCIS, CSI, etc. The last scenes in each episode eliminate all dialog and some "pop"-style singer starts caterwauling some insipid, self-serving and ultimately worthless, sentimental ditty over the action. I haven't seen any of these (unless you count the original Hawaii 5-0), but I speculate that it's similar to why rock songs in the 70's typically ended by repeating the beginning while fading out the volume. It avoids the effort of devising a satisfying ending. HQPlayer (on 3.8 GHz 8-core i7 iMac 2020) > NAA (on 2012 Mac Mini i7) > RME ADI-2 v2 > Benchmark AHB-2 > Thiel 3.7 Link to comment
gmgraves Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 A better way to see if you have a feel for what constitutes "good" or "bad" pop music would be see what you think of the top ten albums on the Billboard 200 chart. Regardless of whether you think they are good or bad, at least these have to be considered successful examples of popular music because music buyers have voted for them with their wallets. Sure but since I don't know who any of the people are, it's much easier to ask those who do know the genre to tell me whether or not any of these TV songs are any good. I don't really need to know what is considered good or bad pop in the general sense, just in which category this particular type of pop music falls. George Link to comment
Audiophile Neuroscience Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Some of the programs that I have noticed that do this as a matter of course are: Hawaii Five-O, The Mentalist, Criminal Minds, Scorpion, NCIS, CSI, etc. George, there is your problem right there. If you want a better class of music you have to watch a better class of TV ! Just kidding, but I would say it is difficult to judge rock classics from The Who if not delivered over a good sound system and in the right setting including being in the mood for that genre of music. Most music sounds terrible over a TV set including major orchestral works, to my ears anyway. Thread summary thus far: How can people possibly have musical tastes at variance with my own infinitely more refined tastes? Stop acting like a confrontational idiot! A compulsive disorder, Bill ? Sound Minds Mind Sound Link to comment
esldude Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Sure but since I don't know who any of the people are, it's much easier to ask those who do know the genre to tell me whether or not any of these TV songs are any good. I don't really need to know what is considered good or bad pop in the general sense, just in which category this particular type of pop music falls. I think your whole query is misframed. Pop isn't good or bad. It is popular or more popular. The pop you are hearing is generally reasonably popular. Sometimes by artists whose other songs are wildly popular. Shows currently don't use completely unknown singers/music at the end of shows like you are describing. Is it good is it bad? No relevance by itself. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
Audiophile Neuroscience Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Pop isn't good or bad. It is popular or more popular. The pop you are hearing is generally reasonably popular. Sometimes by artists whose other songs are wildly popular. Wouldn't widely popular be considered good popular music ? You may (??) also be confusing Pop Music the genre with Popular Music. I believe George was asking about the former. Sound Minds Mind Sound Link to comment
wgscott Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 In one of those odd truth is stranger than sarcasm moments, my daughter decided to watch the original episode of the original Hawaii 5 0 this evening. (I used to watch that when I was about 12). It did not age well. Then, we watched Lewis, which is the successor of Morse, but did in fact inherit a faster tempo version of the Morse theme song. In the show, they had a track from The Who. I swear I am not making this up! Link to comment
PeterSt Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 You may (??) also be confusing Pop Music the genre with Popular Music. I believe George was asking about the former. Say that George would be as old as my father. Then pop music would be The Anita Kerr Singers and that sort. Say that I am the son of my father, then Michael Jackson would be pop music. Say that I was to define terminology for the 80's shit of nothing, then this would be commercial shitty not-music. Actually there already all stopped. And because I am doing so well, I can also define the superBillsh*t200 as the most gross form of nothing. And if then my son is a son of his father, he at least agrees with the latter. "What to do dad, there's nothing else around these days ! you gave birth to me in the wrong era.". I know, time for some birds ans bees story. hap-py Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
Boris75 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Don't watch pop TV. Don't watch TV. Link to comment
firedog Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 George- I think they add these songs to add mood/commentary to the end of the show. But I should let you know that your quote: I'm not talking about a show's theme music, although some of that can be pretty annoying as well. I used to have to make a dive for the mute button when the theme for CSI Miami started (Something called "I Won't Get Fooled Again") or the Las Vegas CSI ("Who Are You"). Just awful! does reveal that you aren't kidding when you say you don't know about and don't like pop music. Both those songs are by The Who, and especially "Won't Get Fooled Again" is considered by many rock/pop fans to be one of the greatest songs around. Won't Get Fooled Again - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia To each his/her own tastes, just thought I'd let you know. Knowing a little cultural context never hurts. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
livelistenlearn Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 As most of you know, I don't listen to pop music and therefore have no feel for it (I.E. I don't know what's considered good or bad or why). I've noticed a trend in TV drama that I really don't understand, and I'm hoping that someone can enlighten me. I have noticed that almost all US TV dramas, these days end each episode with some pop singer voicing-over the last scenes with some kind of song. My question is, are any of these songs actually enjoyed by the pop-music generations, or are they seen as just filler and no better than the music used in most TV commercials? IOW, is there a real musical reason for them or are they just some dramatic gimmick? Does anyone actually like these songs (I find them annoying)? Thanks music + songs are deployed by filmmakers/directors to *artistically* convey the emotion/ambience of a scene. such as an “open-ended” scene which may draw mixed feelings. or, a scene wherein the music may (arguably) convey feelings better than dialogue. or, to invoke a feeling of nostalgia. or, to set a mood/theme. music has been used in movies since the days of Chaplin and Lloyd. to convey some things in a different manner, be it direct or indirect. that said, we have come a long way since "The Sound of Music" or "The King and I”. recently, the choice + usage of songs in "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" represent an example of how liberally music may be applied a movie soundscape to convey complex moods/feelings. in one of the top movies last year, we hear/feel/taste a bit of nostalgia whenever "Star Lord” plugs in his walkman/system in "The Guardians of the Galaxy". imo, the pop songs in “Apocalypse Now” and “Forrest Gump” define the movie experience. so, naturally, this practice has been “ported” over to TV shows. if this art is applied skilfully, why not? > dramatic gimmick? yes. alternatively, one could say creative tools. > enjoyed by (current) pop music generations? yes/no. if appropriately used in a scene, a songs also attracts attention to itself. if watchers like it, they will search/find the title. if not, well... > real reason? many. songs can sometimes tell the story, or part of it, better than dialogue. or, complement an act/scene. song placements (like product placements) can benefit composers/artistes/music providers. most importantly, songs can “make" better TV dramas. > better than music used in commercials? depends. if it is applied well/skillfully or not. songs in TV dramas can benefit both the show + music makers… only if audience gets it/likes it. cheers. Link to comment
blueixus Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 As far as music in TV shows goes I am still blown away by the last episode of Breaking Bad which featured at the end a track called 'Baby Blue' by Badfinger released in 1971, an absolutely perfectly chosen track. (amongst a many fine uses of pop/popular tracks across that series) Done well, (as in the already mentioned Mad Men), is adds to the piece. I have hugely increased my musical repertoire by hearing tracks in Film & TV. The cynical side is that money does, of course, change hands which can mean tracks are not that relevant but that is life... Good to see a mention of Hawaii 5-0, surely the finest TV sound track closely followed by The Avengers and Mission Impossible and The Protectors with 'Avenues and Alleyways' sung by Tony Christie Trying to make sense of all the bits...MacMini/Amarra -> WavIO USB to I2S -> DDDAC 1794 NOS DAC -> Active XO ->Bass Amp Avondale NCC200s, Mid/Treble Amp Sugden Masterclass -> My Own Speakers Link to comment
PeterSt Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Special end theme for you George; quite popular at the time : And like Avengers and Mission Impossible all quite similar music which shows best here I think : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4mdFtE7UTo&list=PLgYv8GqAtvzXNqo_-A7rcMMScmOSs-Nrb Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
AlainGr Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 While hunting for music of my chikdhood and teen years, I stumbled on Barry Gray's compositions and music about quite a few TV series. Not that I would watch them again, but the music was played with a real orchestra (some) and is surprising... "Thunderbirds" is a good example of it , with a lot of others. Barry Gray - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I got a few downloads of it through Qobuz. I also checked on YouTube, but have to say that the sound of some of the jingles are not really good (SQ wise). Anyway, this music is still very present in my memories provided that I am in the mood for it. Alain Link to comment
AlainGr Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Special end theme for you George; quite popular at the time : And like Avengers and Mission Impossible all quite similar music which shows best here I think : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4mdFtE7UTo&list=PLgYv8GqAtvzXNqo_-A7rcMMScmOSs-Nrb Ah... Peter, you were faster I was thinking exactly the same Alain Link to comment
Jud Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Best ever: One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
AlainGr Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Cool ! (Peter Gunn) Alain Link to comment
PeterSt Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Ah... Peter, you were faster I was thinking exactly the same Now Alain, as you see we have more in common than beers (see thread elsewhere) and a NOS1. I started reading your post about Barry Gray and right away sort of hoped that it was not a response to mine. And it wasn't ! Really cool. Edit : And no, I didn't read about your "cool". Starts to get dangerous ... Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
Audiophile Neuroscience Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Best ever: +1 love Henrico Sound Minds Mind Sound Link to comment
PeterSt Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Cool ! (Peter Gunn) The other day we were looking for the origin of it, but probably weren't detailed enough in our search. So while I came up with Deodato, I was thrown a "EL&P !". So it is Mancini ? guess so. Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
AlainGr Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Now Alain, as you see we have more in common than beers (see thread elsewhere) and a NOS1.I started reading your post about Barry Gray and right away sort of hoped that it was not a response to mine. And it wasn't ! Really cool. Edit : And no, I didn't read about your "cool". Starts to get dangerous ... My day is starting with a smile Alain Link to comment
AlainGr Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 The other day we were looking for the origin of it, but probably weren't detailed enough in our search. So while I came up with Deodato, I was thrown a "EL&P !".So it is Mancini ? guess so. I am not so sure... When hunting for those, I found a lot of different bands playing themes, but not necessarily the originals... I was really surprised to see Barry Gray playing music on so many series... But of course there are so many others... Alain Link to comment
mav52 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I took him to mean mainstream, network TV. Heck I thought he was talking about audio programing on all of those cable music channels. The Truth Is Out There Link to comment
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