EuroDriver Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Admin, i will include support for HQPlayer in core mode with AO 1.31. Release will probably be in March or April, but i expect the first beta to be available very soon. It will make HQPlayer work in core mode, hopefully without the need for any other applications like total commander. I will include shell replacement for HQP and so on. I'll give my best to make HQPlayer a smooth experience in core mode! I heard it first time last night, and i must admit i was deeply impressed. (and it works even in my JPLAY Dual-PC System!) For all interested in PPA articles, check out the reduced prices at our store here -> https://www.highend-audiopc.com/store.html Hi Phil, welcome to the world of Jussi's filters and modulators ;-) The $ 64 question is which will work better HQ Player > ASIO output > JPlay - - -CAT 5- - - Jplay (DOP ?) to DSD DAC or HQ Player > NAA output -------- CAT 5 - - - - NAA on WS 2012 +AO > ASIO > native DSD to DSD DAC Sound Test, Monaco Consultant to Sound Galleries Monaco, and Taiko Audio Holland e-mail [email protected] Link to comment
EuroDriver Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Phil, Jussi posted these links to two interesting boards that have either micro SD or Compact Flash as storage PC Engines alix3d2 product file Meet MinnowBoard MAX | minnowboard.org SD and CF are supposed to be the lowest noise storage available. The TASCAM DA-3000 recorder (PCM and DSD) got rid of the HDD in the former model and only has SD an CF storage, no hard drive or SSD If could get WS2012 + AO Core mode working on either of those boards in SD or CF, that could make a great low noise front end for a USB DAC that was not sensitive to USB stream timing ;-) Sound Test, Monaco Consultant to Sound Galleries Monaco, and Taiko Audio Holland e-mail [email protected] Link to comment
BobSherman Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Phil, Jussi posted these links to two interesting boards that have either micro SD or Compact Flash as storage PC Engines alix3d2 product file Meet MinnowBoard MAX | minnowboard.org SD and CF are supposed to be the lowest noise storage available. The TASCAM DA-3000 recorder (PCM and DSD) got rid of the HDD in the former model and only has SD an CF storage, no hard drive or SSD If could get WS2012 + AO Core mode working on either of those boards in SD or CF, that could make a great low noise front end for a USB DAC that was not sensitive to USB stream timing ;-) Paul had a CF adapter that some people had been using successfully. Link to comment
Hifidelit Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 http://www.acourate.com/RamWin/WinRAM%20Installation%20Guide%20V1.3_engl.pdf Link to comment
EuroDriver Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 http://www.acourate.com/RamWin/WinRAM%20Installation%20Guide%20V1.3_engl.pdf The link describes how to create a Virtual Hard Drive on a USB stick ? but is it not a better idea to stay away from USB for OS I/O ? Sound Test, Monaco Consultant to Sound Galleries Monaco, and Taiko Audio Holland e-mail [email protected] Link to comment
AudioPhil Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 personally i would never ever offload the whole I/O of an OS onto the USB bus.. the same bus which handles our DAC or DDC. No, i don't think that's a good idea. ıllıllı [ ...AO 4.00 BETA... ] ıllıllı ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shop | Reviews | Reference System | AudiophileOptimizer 3.00 | PDF Guide Link to comment
Solid-State Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Paul had a CF adapter that some people had been using successfully. PPA CF-SATA is superior to any SSD in the audio regard, quite easy to get running, Link to comment
Hifidelit Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The link describes how to create a Virtual Hard Drive on a USB stick ? but is it not a better idea to stay away from USB for OS I/O ? The usb is only used to create the vhd, everything is loaded into ram hence the name ram disk. Check out the thread I've posted a few times on here: Jump start your SSD | Computer Audio | Forum | JPLAY - hi-end audio player for Windows Quote from Pearse: Thanks Uli….and many thanks to Horst as it is a really big improvement on my system, its like I just spent 20 or 30K on new Ceramic speakers and some serious DAC and Amplification!! My MBR OS Drive has a 350Mb recovery partition so maybe this is causing the confusion in MBR Record, either way it is starting reliably now and sounds amazing, hard to stop listening to music It has to be the future for a Music Server. From Stephan using ram disk with a Pipeline build (bold is mine): thank you for your excellent description, I have the Pipeline working and I also run WinR2 from memory together with Audiophile Optimizer. Results are stunning.Stephan http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f10-music-servers/c-p-s-v4-pipeline-build-help-needed-22947/index2.html Link to comment
EuroDriver Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 The usb is only used to create the vhd, everything is loaded into ram hence the name ram disk.Check out the thread I've posted a few times on here: Jump start your SSD | Computer Audio | Forum | JPLAY - hi-end audio player for Windows Quote from Pearse: From Stephan using ram disk with a Pipeline build (bold is mine): http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f10-music-servers/c-p-s-v4-pipeline-build-help-needed-22947/index2.html Thanks for the clarification, loading the whole OS into RAM. Conceptually CF SATA would seem to be the more robust way to go, and some what easier to set up, but as to SQ, the only way to find out is to try ;-) Sound Test, Monaco Consultant to Sound Galleries Monaco, and Taiko Audio Holland e-mail [email protected] Link to comment
Hifidelit Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Thanks for the clarification, loading the whole OS into RAM. Conceptually CF SATA would seem to be the more robust way to go, and some what easier to set up, but as to SQ, the only way to find out is to try ;-) If you intend to use CF for your OS spend a lot on industrial grade (even then ....). Link to comment
EuroDriver Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 PPA CF-SATA is superior to any SSD in the audio regard,quite easy to get running, This thread suggests that Paul Pang is no longer offering his CF - SATA SHOPPING AREA: AUDIO GRADE SSD KIT Sound Test, Monaco Consultant to Sound Galleries Monaco, and Taiko Audio Holland e-mail [email protected] Link to comment
Hifidelit Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 This thread suggests that Paul Pang is no longer offering his CF - SATASHOPPING AREA: AUDIO GRADE SSD KIT Some people found them a pain to set up. Link to comment
seeteeyou Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 32GB ECC DDR2 for 139.99 Komputerbay 32GB (8x 4GB) DDR2 PC2-5300F 667MHz CL5 ECC Fully Buffered FB-DIMM (240 PIN) 32 GB w/ Heatspreaders at Amazon.com How about this guy for under 400 bucks depending on the offer accepted? OCXO mod for this SATA RAM drive would be interesting Acard ANS 9010BA 5 25'' Dynamic SSD SATA x1 RAM Disk RAM Modules not Included | eBay Too bad the DDR-3 flavor would cost 6K or 15K as shown below ALLONE Cloud Disk Drive 101 RAMDisk Review (32GB) - 500K IOPS of DDR3 Storage | The SSD Review Link to comment
bk12 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Just getting my feet wet in the world of PC servers, and I am using a CAPS with a V1 card feeding my Zodiac Platinum DAC. I believe the Zodiac Platinum USB works in "iscynronous asynchronous", whatever that means (understand asyn...confused a bit by the isync-async. Anyway...checking out the V3 card with the super clock module. Does anyone know if the upgraded clock would really have value in a DAC that "owns" the clocking from that side? Can anyone comment on the value of a superclock on a USB audio card when using it in this type of setup? Link to comment
EuroDriver Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Just getting my feet wet in the world of PC servers, and I am using a CAPS with a V1 card feeding my Zodiac Platinum DAC. I believe the Zodiac Platinum USB works in "iscynronous asynchronous", whatever that means (understand asyn...confused a bit by the isync-async. Anyway...checking out the V3 card with the super clock module. Does anyone know if the upgraded clock would really have value in a DAC that "owns" the clocking from that side? Can anyone comment on the value of a superclock on a USB audio card when using it in this type of setup? I have the same questions too, and have been unable to find good answers, or answers I find convincing Sound Test, Monaco Consultant to Sound Galleries Monaco, and Taiko Audio Holland e-mail [email protected] Link to comment
kenreau Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 This thread suggests that Paul Pang is no longer offering his CF - SATASHOPPING AREA: AUDIO GRADE SSD KIT Bump for curiosity if anyone is using the PPS Audio Grade SSD kit? I was considering swaping it in place of an older Samsung SSD but have yet to read any reviews on it. I just noticed there is a newer improvded version with bettter crystal on it. Thx Kenreau Synology NAS> Aurender W20> AQ Wel AES/XLR> Devialet 200> AQ Castle Rock Bi-Wire> Vandersteen 5As. Link to comment
Evo1668 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Just getting my feet wet in the world of PC servers, and I am using a CAPS with a V1 card feeding my Zodiac Platinum DAC. I believe the Zodiac Platinum USB works in "iscynronous asynchronous", whatever that means (understand asyn...confused a bit by the isync-async. Anyway...checking out the V3 card with the super clock module. Does anyone know if the upgraded clock would really have value in a DAC that "owns" the clocking from that side? Can anyone comment on the value of a superclock on a USB audio card when using it in this type of setup? I can't comment on using a super clock for the USB side of things, but I am waiting for the USB Regen device to become available from Uptone audio. As regards the Zodiac Platinum operating Isocronous/Asyncronous i would suggest it operates over USB protocols at both the slower Asynchronous data transfer rate of 1.5 mps and also at the faster Isocronous rate of 12.5 mps ER / Geisman OXCO / Grimm MU1 / Dutch & Dutch 8C / Townshend Seismic Isolation HP - SMSL Sanskrit 10th A’ , Woo Audio WA5 LE, Hifiman HEK v2 Link to comment
JohnSwenson Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I can't comment on using a super clock for the USB side of things, but I am waiting for the USB Regen device to become available from Uptone audio. As regards the Zodiac Platinum operating Isocronous/Asyncronous i would suggest it operates over USB protocols at both the slower Asynchronous data transfer rate of 1.5 mps and also at the faster Isocronous rate of 12.5 mps There is some mis-information on USB here. There are four speeds defined for USB, slow speed, full speed, high speed and super speed. All the different modes and protocols will work on any speed. Isochronous is a group of protocols, it literally means constant time. It is used for "streaming" protocols such as audio and video. In isochronous mode time is reserved on the bus for that connection, thus no other connection (such as a disk drive) can use all the bandwidth. In audio there are several protocols used ALL of which are isochronous. The rate of packets is fixed by the speed (1kps for full speed 8kps for high speed), the amount of audio data per packet is varied to get a particular average data rate. The most common audio protocols are adaptive and asynchronous, in adaptive the computer continuously send out packets with a fixed average data rate, the DAC has to adjust it's clock to match. In asynchronous the stream from the computer is exactly the same, BUT there is an extra path from the DAC to the computer, if the average data rate from the computer is too fast the DAC can tell the computer to slightly slow down. (and vice-versa). In this protocol the clock in the DAC is in control. Remember BOTH adaptive and asynchronous protocols use the isochronous mode. All of the above can be used at any speed. I hope that clears up some of the USB terminology. John S. Link to comment
EuroDriver Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 There is some mis-information on USB here. There are four speeds defined for USB, slow speed, full speed, high speed and super speed. All the different modes and protocols will work on any speed. Isochronous is a group of protocols, it literally means constant time. It is used for "streaming" protocols such as audio and video. In isochronous mode time is reserved on the bus for that connection, thus no other connection (such as a disk drive) can use all the bandwidth. In audio there are several protocols used ALL of which are isochronous. The rate of packets is fixed by the speed (1kps for full speed 8kps for high speed), the amount of audio data per packet is varied to get a particular average data rate. The most common audio protocols are adaptive and asynchronous, in adaptive the computer continuously send out packets with a fixed average data rate, the DAC has to adjust it's clock to match. In asynchronous the stream from the computer is exactly the same, BUT there is an extra path from the DAC to the computer, if the average data rate from the computer is too fast the DAC can tell the computer to slightly slow down. (and vice-versa). In this protocol the clock in the DAC is in control. Remember BOTH adaptive and asynchronous protocols use the isochronous mode. All of the above can be used at any speed. I hope that clears up some of the USB terminology. John S. John, many thanks for the explanation ! The above was much more informative than the web articles I read. The efforts that Paul Pang goes through to have a super stable clock on the USB data stream, what's your thinking on how that could help the sound quality ? Sound Test, Monaco Consultant to Sound Galleries Monaco, and Taiko Audio Holland e-mail [email protected] Link to comment
JohnSwenson Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 John, many thanks for the explanation ! The above was much more informative than the web articles I read. The efforts that Paul Pang goes through to have a super stable clock on the USB data stream, what's your thinking on how that could help the sound quality ? Unfortunately this is a very complex subject that depends very much on each DACs implementation. I'm right now working on ideas on how different DACs respond to the USB signal, some of which I have already discussed in other posts. There is a lot to this so I'm not going to go into the full details here, other than the one sentence summary: many DACs are quite sensitive to the USB signal quality, the jitter of the signal is one of the important parameters. I personally consider the oven stabilized implementation in the V3 to be over the top, it doesn't hurt, but all my experimentation with my own designs points towards other issues on the board degrade the signal more than the increase in quality from the clock improves it. The oven clock will probably show a slight improvement in SQ in many DACs, but I'm of the opinion that the same money spent on the clock will give more improvement when used on some other areas. It's not that the clock is unimportant, but that the large increase in price to go with the oven clock is not worth it for the gain you get from it. Of course that is just my opinion, I don't have one these and haven't tried making different version with those ideas mentioned above so I don't know for sure. I'm not trying to denigrate the V3 card, it just looks to me like there are some other areas that could be addressed as well as the clock. John S. Link to comment
Qhwoeprktiyns Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 John, What is your take on the quality of the USB coming out of some of these boards that you may have tested: Alix, cubox, etc... Are there significant differences in the quality of the USB signal? Thank you. Stephane Link to comment
skypickle Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Just installed the v3 card on a windows 10 pro machine. The devicemanagerdoes not recognize the card. I installed the drivers from here: Drivers Download specifically these drivers: NEC uPD720201 & uPD720202 Driver i still cannot get the little yellow triangle to disappear from device manager Error code 10 Win10 PRO->PPANG USB->Gustard X20->Jotunheim->Sanders magtech monoblocks->3.7i Link to comment
skypickle Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 well, I took the card out and installed it into an x79 motherboard and it showed up right away. So i took it back to the asrock and reinstalled the drivers. It started working. Bizarre. It must have been an electrical connection. Perhaps the contacts needed a little 'scuffing' to get good contact. Sounds smoother than the native usb. Win10 PRO->PPANG USB->Gustard X20->Jotunheim->Sanders magtech monoblocks->3.7i Link to comment
skypickle Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 I figured out the problem! It turns out the power to the USB card has to be on for 10-15 seconds before the pc boots. If the pc is ready before the card can respond to windows enumeration of pci devices, then the identification fails and windows selects the wrong driver to auto install. Win10 PRO->PPANG USB->Gustard X20->Jotunheim->Sanders magtech monoblocks->3.7i Link to comment
internethandle Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 I figured out the problem! It turns out the power to the USB card has to be on for 10-15 seconds before the pc boots. If the pc is ready before the card can respond to windows enumeration of pci devices, then the identification fails and windows selects the wrong driver to auto install. Yeah, for when powered by an external PSU at least, my V2 exhibited the same behavior - lost power for a bit, Windows hung, a quick reboot did not show the card, some more fiddling around and the card was recognized upon the next reboot. Link to comment
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