The Computer Audiophile Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Seagate Ships An 8 Terabyte Hard Drive, Perfect For All Of Your Totally Legal And Not Pirated Stuff | TechCrunch Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
One and a half Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 MTBF of two months? AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
astrotoy Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 MTBF of two months? No, that's Seagate's 4TB HD's. Larry Analog-VPIClas3,3DArm,LyraSkala+MiyajimaZeromono,Herron VTPH2APhono,2AmpexATR-102+MerrillTridentMaster TapePreamp Dig Rip-Pyramix,IzotopeRX3Adv,MykerinosCard,PacificMicrosonicsModel2; Dig Play-Lampi Horizon, mch NADAC, Roon-HQPlayer,Oppo105 Electronics-DoshiPre,CJ MET1mchPre,Cary2A3monoamps; Speakers-AvantgardeDuosLR,3SolosC,LR,RR Other-2x512EngineerMarutaniSymmetrical Power+Cables Music-1.8KR2Rtapes,1.5KCD's,500SACDs,50+TBripped files Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 MTBF of two months? Did you see that somewhere? Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
One and a half Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Did you see that somewhere? Bit of a tongue in cheek statement, I admit. Seagate however have an unenviable reputation and backed up with real MTBF data of delivering worse figures than the likes of Hitachi, WD for example. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
Stereolab42 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Crazy. I bought and returned about 3 brands of external SATA enclosures a month ago just to find one that works with 4TB drives. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 Bit of a tongue in cheek statement, I admit. Seagate however have an unenviable reputation and backed up with real MTBF data of delivering worse figures than the likes of Hitachi, WD for example. Ah :~) Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
sandyk Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Bit of a tongue in cheek statement, I admit. Seagate however have an unenviable reputation and backed up with real MTBF data of delivering worse figures than the likes of Hitachi, WD for example. Which brand of hard disk is most reliable? | News | PC Pro How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
thesurfingalien Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Bit of a tongue in cheek statement, I admit. Seagate however have an unenviable reputation and backed up with real MTBF data of delivering worse figures than the likes of Hitachi, WD for example. This drive has a unique protection against pirated stuff; the more illegal copies you put on it, the lower the MTBF will get. “We are the Audiodrones. Lower your skepticism and surrender your wallets. We will add your cash and savings to our own. Your mindset will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.” - (Quote from Star Trek: The Audiophile Generation) Link to comment
One and a half Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 This drive has a unique protection against pirated stuff; the more illegal copies you put on it, the lower the MTBF will get. Based on current pirated material download quantity, the drive will have very low MTBF, and what's worse, you need another drive for backup, as the article explains. The cure is just to have your local CDs ripped on these drives, should last a lot longer, hey. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
sandyk Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Based on current pirated material download quantity, the drive will have very low MTBF, and what's worse, you need another drive for backup, as the article explains. The cure is just to have your local CDs ripped on these drives, should last a lot longer, hey. Just don't save PS3 ripped SACDs to it ? How a Digital Audio file sounds, or a Digital Video file looks, is governed to a large extent by the Power Supply area. All that Identical Checksums gives is the possibility of REGENERATING the file to close to that of the original file. PROFILE UPDATED 13-11-2020 Link to comment
Paul R Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I had trouble with some Seagate products in the 1980s and 1990s, butI have some 2004 Seagates still spinning in various locations. (Not in critical locations of course.) In fact, I gave a Seagate 10meg drive that spins up and drives a Fat Mac, all original. 1985. The Seagate 2TB drives here have all been reliable too,attached to various PCs and such,powered up 24x7. In operation over a year. Not sure this pre-judging stuff is at all justified. Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
Jud Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 No, that's Seagate's 4TB HD's. Larry Hey, that means I've got two of 'em that are way out on the plus side of the mean already! One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
jtm Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I got Seagate external desktop drives when I startes with computer audio years agowith 2TB capacity and both failed within 2 years ... Since then I am using around a dozen of external and internal WD drives and only one failed after 3 years of daily use. MTBF ? IMO the personal experience made me a WD advocate ... Link to comment
astrotoy Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Hey, that means I've got two of 'em that are way out on the plus side of the mean already! I, unfortunately have not had as good luck. I bought a Synology NAS with 12 Seagate 3TB drives three years ago and ALL of them have failed. I have replaced all of them with WD reds (4TB) and none of those have failed, some already have exceeded the MTBF of the Seagates. Similar good experience with WD 4TB's in a Synology 8 drive unit. Larry Larry Analog-VPIClas3,3DArm,LyraSkala+MiyajimaZeromono,Herron VTPH2APhono,2AmpexATR-102+MerrillTridentMaster TapePreamp Dig Rip-Pyramix,IzotopeRX3Adv,MykerinosCard,PacificMicrosonicsModel2; Dig Play-Lampi Horizon, mch NADAC, Roon-HQPlayer,Oppo105 Electronics-DoshiPre,CJ MET1mchPre,Cary2A3monoamps; Speakers-AvantgardeDuosLR,3SolosC,LR,RR Other-2x512EngineerMarutaniSymmetrical Power+Cables Music-1.8KR2Rtapes,1.5KCD's,500SACDs,50+TBripped files Link to comment
k6davis Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 On the subject of reliability in hard drives: Who makes the most reliable hard drives? | ExtremeTech Roon Server: Core i7-3770S, WS2012 + AO => HQP Server: Core, i7-9700K, HQPlayer OS => NAA: Celeron NUC, HQP NAA => ISO Regen with UltraCap LPS 1.2 => Mapleshade USB Cable => Lampizator L4 DSD-Only Balanced DAC Preamp => Blue Jeans Belden Balanced Cables => Mivera PurePower SE Amp => Magnepan 3.7i Link to comment
Paul R Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I, unfortunately have not had as good luck. I bought a Synology NAS with 12 Seagate 3TB drives three years ago and ALL of them have failed. I have replaced all of them with WD reds (4TB) and none of those have failed, some already have exceeded the MTBF of the Seagates. Similar good experience with WD 4TB's in a Synology 8 drive unit. Larry Larry Wow! Anecdotal but- wow. Did you let the drives go into their power saving mode? That can kill them off really fast, in my experience. Paul Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
Skeptic Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 On the subject of reliability in hard drives: Who makes the most reliable hard drives? | ExtremeTech This is not really good data for a number of reasons, and has been debunked a number of times. Dispelling Backblaze's HDD Reliability Myth - The Real Story Covered - Drive Sourcing I will add though, that I won't buy any Seagate drive since they have often been first in a number of areas like capacity, and those drives have often had serious problems. Ever since they purchased Maxtor - a company whose drives were always unreliable, I just don't trust the Seagate brand any more. Who knows what you're actually getting when you buy one of their disks. Right now, I like the server-grade WD drives (SE or RE) and would recommend Hitachi if you want something cheaper. Avoid the WD Green drives like the plague, and while they seem to be less problematic, I would be hesitant to use any of the consumer WD drives like Reds, Blues, or Blacks if your data is important. Of course any mechanical drive will eventually fail. Be sure to keep something like HD Sentinel running to monitor their health, and pull the drive out/back up your data as soon as there are any errors reported. With a program like this monitoring the health of your drives, you usually have enough of a warning to prevent data loss. Link to comment
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