audiophile65 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 While I love the 24/48 PCM of Donald Fagen's "The Nightfly", does anyone think it will ever come out in the form of a DSD download someday? Link to comment
bmoura Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 While I love the 24/48 PCM of Donald Fagen's "The Nightfly", does anyone think it will ever come out in the form of a DSD download someday? Depends on when, or if, Warner Music, licenses its catalog for DSD Downloads. Since Universal and Sony Music have done so, one would think that Warners will do the same down the road. Link to comment
jazzy1 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 It was a digital recording, so not sure the point of a DSD version? Link to comment
baddog Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 It was a digital recording, so not sure the point of a DSD version? You are correct, it was a digital recording (non DSD), a very good one at that, in 1981 no less, a DSD version of it was released by Warner Japan in 2011. To the point above, not sure if a DSD version would be materially different in quality. Silver Circle Audio | Roon | Devialet | Synology | Vivid Audio | Stillpoint Aperture | Auralic | DH Labs Link to comment
CatManDo Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 You are correct, it was a digital recording (non DSD), a very good one at that, in 1981 no less, a DSD version of it was released by Warner Japan in 2011. Do you mean the Warner SACD? SACD necessarily means DSD conversion - including when the recording was in PCM -, but when a download is released, it wouldn't make sense to convert a PCM source into DSD. Claude Link to comment
baddog Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 Do you mean the Warner SACD? SACD necessarily means DSD conversion - including when the recording was in PCM -, but when a download is released, it wouldn't make sense to convert a PCM source into DSD. Yes, I was referring to the Warner SACD. And I guess I should have been more clear, as the recording was made back in 1981, and as it was recorded digitally, there are no analog tapes by which to make a conversion to DSD, and as it was recorded in PCM, to your point, it would not make sense to convert to DSD (though as we know, this does happen). Barr Silver Circle Audio | Roon | Devialet | Synology | Vivid Audio | Stillpoint Aperture | Auralic | DH Labs Link to comment
ted_b Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I have all things Donald Fagen (and the Dan, too). I personally like the DVD-A better than the SACD, but the differences are minimal enough to be up to the DAC and its sweetspot. Yes, the recording was PCM, so one would think the earlier DVD-A would blow away the SACD, but not really. They are very close. "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
Toddc2 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I have a couple of digital formats of this recording, including the SHM-SACD (going from memory here, i think it's SHM). They both sound fantastic. I also have a killer LP pressing of this title, it's funny how good the analog pressing of a digital recording can sound. Same with Brothers In Arms... 2012 MBP (OSX 10.11 and Amarra Symphony w/IRC)-> Revelation Dual Conduit USB -> Berkeley Alpha USB -> Verastarr Silver Signature AES -> Devialet D250-> Siltech 550L -> KEF 104/2 (Steve Nugent Custom). Power conditioning Audience Adept AR2p -> Verastarr Grand Illusion, Siltech Explorer 270p and Crystal Cable Standard Diamond Analog: VPI Classic 3, Sumiko Pearwood Celebration ii, Siltech 770i RCA Link to comment
MarkS Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I am not a technical guy, but I bet someone here knows the answer to this for certain. I think a full digital recording (DDD) cannot be hires because the DDD process somehow limits the recording to PCM 44.1/16. I might be wrong about this (but do know for sure that, even if I am correct, I do not understand it), but I definitely recall hearing some experts (e.g., guys from Positive Feedback) on a panel saying that if something was marked DDD, true hires, or at least true DSD hires, was impossible. Maybe it was if the recording was recorded DDD at 44.1/16?? - Mark Synology DS916+ > SoTM dCBL-CAT7 > Netgear switch > SoTM dCBL-CAT7 > dCS Vivaldi Upsampler (Nordost Valhalla 2 power cord) > Nordost Valhalla 2 Dual 110 Ohm AES/EBU > dCS Vivaldi DAC (David Elrod Statement Gold power cord) > Nordost Valhalla 2 xlr > Absolare Passion preamp (Nordost Valhalla 2 power cord) > Nordost Valhalla 2 xlr > VTL MB-450 III (Shunyata King Cobra CX power cords) > Nordost Valhalla 2 speaker > Kaiser Kaewero Classic /JL Audio F110 (Wireworld Platinum power cord). Power Conditioning: Entreq Olympus Tellus grounding (AC, preamp and dac) / Shunyata Hydra Triton + Typhoon (Shunyata Anaconda ZiTron umbilical/Shunyata King Cobra CX power cord) > Furutec GTX D-Rhodium AC outlet. Link to comment
CatManDo Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 I also have a killer LP pressing of this title, it's funny how good the analog pressing of a digital recording can sound. Same with Brothers In Arms... Yes, it's not always about the theoretically optimal solution. A german LP pressing of "The Nightfly" is my favourite version. I originally bought it for the large cover alone, for $2, thinking the LP would be in bad condition, but it was mint and sounding warmer than the CD and DVD-A. Early digital recordings often tend to sound a bit thin and sterile, and the LP mastering compensates that. Claude Link to comment
HumanMedia Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Nightfly was actually recorded on a 16bit 50khz multitrack. Yes that isn't a typo, 50khz, on one of the first digital recorders. I believe for the DVD-A release the 16bit 50kHz material was mixed in a 24bit 48khz workspace and mastered. A SACD would just be a transcode of the 24bit 48khz files, as is common with the recent Japanese Warner SACDs. So the 24bit 48khz version is probably the best we are ever going to get. Enjoy it! Link to comment
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