OzarkMtn Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 4:18 PM, Miska said: @CheapSplurgeWhat filter smooths out treble peaks and harshness? Or what set up have you seen that helps with peaks and harshness.. I can't for the life of figure out how to eq with hqplayer properly. So I'm hoping a dither/dac bits/filter combo can help, I wish it had a *crossover* @MiskaTry for example with poly-sinc-short-mp (or poly-sinc-short-mp-2s if doing DSD upsampling). @MiskaJussi, I have been going through the old post (815 pages!!) to better understand HQPlayer. I have only HQPD and Roon installed on a 2018 Intel Mac mini and using a microRendu and Oppo Sonica DAC. Could you please provide me with your reasoning for suggesting the filters poly-sinc-short-mp (or poly-sinc-short-mp-2s to help @CheapSplurge? And why these types of filters for DSD upsampling? As it relates to modulators, you have suggested using ASDM5EC with the ESS chipsets which would include the Sonica DAC. I benefit in what form in using the 5EC modulator vs the ASDM7EC modulator? What are the limitations/drawbacks by using the 7EC modulator? Is the 5EC recommendation more from a theory/technical standpoint or is there a sonic benefit? I have 48k DSD selected in the settings along with Adaptive output rate, the Bit rate is set at 48k x256, with these settings I am able to run the 7EC with no issues and no stress on my machine (3 GHz Intel Core i5, 32 GB RAM, running macOS Mojave 10.14.6). I currently upsample everything to DSD, no convolution, no EQ, no DSD source settings. Still attempting to have a better understanding🤔... Thanks for HQPlayer and all of the support you extend to all of us! Link to comment
ted_b Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, OzarkMtn said: As it relates to modulators, you have suggested using ASDM5EC with the ESS chipsets which would include the Sonica DAC. I benefit in what form in using the 5EC modulator vs the ASDM7EC modulator? What are the limitations/drawbacks by using the 7EC modulator? Is the 5EC recommendation more from a theory/technical standpoint or is there a sonic benefit? I have 48k DSD selected in the settings along with Adaptive output rate, the Bit rate is set at 48k x256, with these settings I am able to run the 7EC with no issues and no stress on my machine (3 GHz Intel Core i5, 32 GB RAM, running macOS Mojave 10.14.6). I currently upsample everything to DSD, no convolution, no EQ, no DSD source settings. Still attempting to have a better understanding🤔... You've asked this question several times. Jussi's recommendation to start at ASDM5EC is just that, a starting point, given his experiences with ESS chips. Listen for yourself and if 7EC sounds better, use it. Same with filters; they are like speakers....a personal choice that interacts with your room/equipment/ears/likes/dislikes/mood/barometric pressure. :) Remember that upsampling DSD to higher DSD bit rates does NOT use filters; only PCM (to higher PCM or DSD) does. jamesg11 1 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
OzarkMtn Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, ted_b said: You've asked this question several times. Jussi's recommendation to start at ASDM5EC is just that, a starting point, given his experiences with ESS chips. Listen for yourself and if 7EC sounds better, use it. Same with filters; they are like speakers....a personal choice that interacts with your room/equipment/ears/likes/dislikes/mood/barometric pressure. :) Remember that upsampling DSD to higher DSD bit rates does NOT use filters; only PCM (to higher PCM or DSD) does. And I'll keep asking until I am comfortable understanding the subject to my liking, at times things can be ambiguous for me. I was wanting to understand the "why's" a little bit better if you look at my questions I was asking. Sorry if I appear repetitive in my questions. Consider yourself lucky I didn't ask the other 168 questions😉... Link to comment
Miska Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 5 hours ago, OzarkMtn said: Could you please provide me with your reasoning for suggesting the filters poly-sinc-short-mp (or poly-sinc-short-mp-2s to help @CheapSplurge? And why these types of filters for DSD upsampling? Usually it is when someone asks for something specific, I can try to suggest something. Hopefully it sometimes matches expectations... Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
toddrhodes Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 So I started typing this out last night and figured I'd see if I was on the latest version of HQP for Windows - I wasn't. So I upgraded to 4.10.3 and that fixed things at least for one night. But now tonight, the same issue is back so... For some reason, my HQPlayer endpoint out of Roon seems to be ending songs early? With 3-4 seconds remaining in a track, it just stops playing and queues up the next song. I know it doesn't do the same thing on my upstairs endpoint which is basically a PC connected to an Anthem receiver via HDMI cable. I just haven't had time to try other "zones" or what have you to see if it's a Roon problem, or an HQ Player issue. And since I'm running the HQP NAA image on my Pi, I haven't taken a chance to swap back to like a RoPieeeXL image to see if just running it as a RoonBridge has the same issue. Am I the only one with this issue? I'm using 4.10.3 on a W10 PC to a Pi4 with the HQP NAA image on it, USB out to my DAC. I listened to a few different zones through Roon today which are all routed through standard RoonBridges and had no similar issues. Ryzen 3900x Roon Core PC -> Intel i9900k HQPlayer W10 machine -> iFi Zen Stream NAA Holo May KTE, Benchmark LA4 preamp SMC Audio upgraded DNA-125 Amp Dynaudio Confidence C2 Platinum speakers Vinyl rig - Schiit Sol, Nagaoka MP-500, Mod Squad PhonoDrive phono stage Link to comment
Nebuchadnezzar Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 10:35 PM, Miska said: Or "hqplayerd" which is the HQPlayer Embedded package with typical 'd' suffix for "daemon". Anyway, matrix feature on both Desktop and Embedded supports multiple filters (including combination of convolution and parametric). Only supported format for the convolution FIRs is mono WAV. Thank you! And sorry for calling HQPlayer Desktop HQPD. Link to comment
k6davis Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 8 hours ago, toddrhodes said: For some reason, my HQPlayer endpoint out of Roon seems to be ending songs early? With 3-4 seconds remaining in a track, it just stops playing and queues up the next song. I know it doesn't do the same thing on my upstairs endpoint which is basically a PC connected to an Anthem receiver via HDMI cable. I had a similar issue previously with my NAA setup, except it was cutting off the first few seconds of each track. I reverted back to an older version of the NAA image (sorry, I can't remember which one) and everything worked perfectly. toddrhodes 1 Roon Server: Core i7-3770S, WS2012 + AO => HQP Server: Core, i7-9700K, HQPlayer OS => NAA: Celeron NUC, HQP NAA => ISO Regen with UltraCap LPS 1.2 => Mapleshade USB Cable => Lampizator L4 DSD-Only Balanced DAC Preamp => Blue Jeans Belden Balanced Cables => Mivera PurePower SE Amp => Magnepan 3.7i Link to comment
jimdukey Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 A recent post has me confused a bit! When upsampling a DSD 64 File to DSD 128, is the NX Filter Selection in use, or not? Especially if it is a 48K Family upsampled to the higher 6.2 or whatever MH? If the NX Filters Aren't involved, I'm going to have to completely re-set my EARS and Filter Choices! Or did I misunderstand the Post to start with? Hmmm... Link to comment
Popular Post ted_b Posted March 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2021 Filters are only used when upsampling PCM, to either higher PCM or to DSD. Now when DSD is converted to some level of PCM you pick from the dropdownfilter list in the DSD source settings box. When DSD is remodulated to higher DSD then the modulator choice and the DSD source settings choices (wide, narrow, IIR) are used. MemoryPlayer, luisma and StreamFidelity 2 1 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
jimdukey Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 OK, Thanks, I see that now! Is Wide the usual choice? What the hey, I'll try them all! Thanks again! Link to comment
Acholate Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Hi Miska, I need help. HQPlayer desktop won't detect NAA (opticalrendu). I'm using two onboard lan port as bridge mode. I got no problem at all. Last week I changed my router to edgerouter x sfp, and I managed to make it worked for a week. Then yesterday I completely turn off my system and today no matter what I tried HQPlayer won't find NAA. I tried restart everything, reconfigure router setting, reinstall lan ports, turn all firewall off but still won't work. I see NAA in the network and I also can access Sonore sonicorbiter just fine. HQPlayer will still detect NAA if I connect it through router. Link to comment
Miska Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Acholate said: I need help. HQPlayer desktop won't detect NAA (opticalrendu). I'm using two onboard lan port as bridge mode. I got no problem at all. Last week I changed my router to edgerouter x sfp, and I managed to make it worked for a week. Then yesterday I completely turn off my system and today no matter what I tried HQPlayer won't find NAA. I tried restart everything, reconfigure router setting, reinstall lan ports, turn all firewall off but still won't work. I see NAA in the network and I also can access Sonore sonicorbiter just fine. HQPlayer will still detect NAA if I connect it through router. Maybe the network change is not propagating multicast messages through? Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Acholate Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 52 minutes ago, Miska said: Maybe the network change is not propagating multicast messages through? What configure should I look for? I'm not really know much about network. All I did was set up a bridge mode and give it a static ip. Link to comment
Miska Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Acholate said: What configure should I look for? I'm not really know much about network. Sorry, but it is impossible for me to say where the problem is and what you should do to fix it... Maybe disable the bridge mode, disable the other ethernet interface and then connect everything to an ordinary switch? Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
alekc Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Hi, I'm trying to setup DSD256 upsampling with USB input on Mytek Brooklyn Bridge and HQP 4.10.3 on Windows 10 and so far I failed to get uninterrupted playback. Setting upsampling to DSD128 or 64 is not a problem and it works as expected. Anyone had a luck with proper settings and wish to share those? Link to comment
ted_b Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 minute ago, alekc said: Hi, I'm trying to setup DSD256 upsampling with USB input on Mytek Brooklyn Bridge and HQP 4.10.3 on Windows 10 and so far I failed to get uninterrupted playback. Setting upsampling to DSD128 or 64 is not a problem and it works as expected. Anyone had a luck with proper settings and wish to share those? What cpu, what modulator, what filter "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
alekc Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 3 hours ago, ted_b said: What cpu, what modulator, what filter i7 1.80Ghz, ASDM5EC, poly-sinc-lp (assuming you are asking about HQP filter not Mytek). Link to comment
dean70 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 The new RTX3060 video cards have 12GB GDDR6 RAM. Is this enough to run offload Sinc-L at DSD256? Alchemy Desktop http://www.origen.net.au/Alchemy/ Link to comment
Miska Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 10 hours ago, alekc said: i7 1.80Ghz, ASDM5EC, poly-sinc-lp (assuming you are asking about HQP filter not Mytek). Is that some low power / mobile model, like U-series CPU in a NUC? Likely it doesn't have enough turbo boost for clocks to do EC modulators at DSD256. Likely ASDM5 works fine though. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Nebuchadnezzar Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Guys, there are widespread rumors of M1X Mac Mini coming! k6davis 1 Link to comment
GoldenOne Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 On 2/13/2021 at 1:08 AM, Miska said: If someone "fixes" the hardware (chip design)... So a friend of mine has 1.536mhz working on his pi4 (his sotm sms200 ultra doesn't work, same as mine though). But my pi4 doesn't. Might his pi4 have a different USB controller? Is there something in particular I can look out for or a way to get it working on non-intel stuff? He's using a denafrips dac. No idea if that makes a difference. (I'd imagine not given as his sms200 still has the same problem) You mentioned you had a solution earlier but I wasnt sure if that meant you had a solution that would be implemented in hqp in future (which would be amazing :D), or if the solution was just to use Intel https://youtube.com/goldensound Roon -> HQPlayer -> SMS200 Ultra/SPS500 -> Holo Audio May (Wildism Edition) -> Holo Audio Serene (Wildism Edition) -> Benchmark AHB2 -> Hifiman Susvara Link to comment
Miska Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 hours ago, GoldenOne said: He's using a denafrips dac. No idea if that makes a difference. It could... 4 hours ago, GoldenOne said: You mentioned you had a solution earlier but I wasnt sure if that meant you had a solution that would be implemented in hqp in future (which would be amazing :D), or if the solution was just to use Intel Reasons why it doesn't work are below HQPlayer/NAA layer. It is more related to hardware and the OS kernel. 4 hours ago, GoldenOne said: So a friend of mine has 1.536mhz working on his pi4 (his sotm sms200 ultra doesn't work, same as mine though). But my pi4 doesn't. You both have same OS on the Pi4? Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
w1000i Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 New review for HQplayer vs Mscaler. 🤩 HQPlayer - Better Than a $5,000 Upscaler? - The Battle - Audio Bacon LoryWiv 1 Link to comment
lpost Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 14 hours ago, GoldenOne said: So a friend of mine has 1.536mhz working on his pi4 (his sotm sms200 ultra doesn't work, same as mine though). But my pi4 doesn't. With a USB HAT or the pi4 USB ports? I have a spare 4 I need to try this with NAA OS. Link to comment
chips666 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Hi, Just a week ago i had the opportunity to compare this Chord HMS & DAVE dac and my HQplayer & RME Adi-2 dac FS combo's Both powered by a Nord Three Purifi amplifier with Vivid Kaya 25 loudspeakers They sounded really good Except for my wallet i could live with both of them I bought the Purifi ;) Enjoy... Roon => RME Adi-2 FS dac => Nord Three 1ET400A ST => Focal Aria 936 Link to comment
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