HQ Player

[MemoryPlayer]

24 minutes ago, Gavin1977 said:

Definately confirmed working in Windows, DAC 8 DSD display confirming DSD512.

 

I downloaded the driver today, so don't know how it compares with older versions.  Windows Home 10 (all latest updates installed).  Perhaps you're thinking about the DSD 128 limitation under Linux?

I was thinking with Windows 10, not Linux...

Is that a special custom driver specific for T+A?

Does WASAPI/DSD512 sound better than ASIO/DSD512?

[Miska]

1 hour ago, adol290 said:

Can anyone explain the following  problem i am having with PCM. It happens on Hqplayer 3 and 4.

 

When i Select  PCM   Filter Sinc-m  Shaper NS9 it take 18 seconds for the song to start playing.

 

When i Select SDM    FIlter Sinc-m Shaper ASDM7EC the song starts playing within a second.

 

The two performance graphs below show the system usage. With PCM there is hardly anything going on. 

 

PCM

 

    

SDM

 

 

 

At 88.2k PCM output rate you have long inherent delay due to the filter. You can compare the delay to ratio between 88.2k and 5.6M.

 

[Miska]

1 hour ago, Gavin1977 said:

So I am conused with the ASIO driver behaviour... maybe this is why I have been having problems in Linux?  Another member here told me that T+A DAC 8 DSD was natively supported in Gentoo Player/Audiolinux etc... (I couldn't get output at 64, 128 or higher and am unsure if 512 works without updating the firmware anyway).

 

With DAC8 DSD you need to install custom firmware to the USB interface to gain anything above DSD128 on Linux,

 

On Windows, I'm using DAC8 DSD with original firmware and can do DSD256 and DSD512 without problems through ASIO. Just check that you have High Performance or Ultimate Performance power profile selected in Windows Control Panel / Power settings.

 

[adol290]

30 minutes ago, Miska said:

 

At 88.2k PCM output rate you have long inherent delay due to the filter. You can compare the delay to ratio between 88.2k and 5.6M.

 

 

Thanks, so because of the long inherent delay due to the filter, there is no way to speed it up, even with more hardware. 

[akshaya835]

5 hours ago, Miska said:

 

Please see

https://www.signalyst.com/custom.html

under heading "HQPlayer Control" at the end of the page.

 

 

Thanks Miska - figured it out already via tcpdump

 

Have created a little automation in iPhone to set input to local audio in HQP - working pretty well. 

[AnotherSpin]

4 hours ago, akshaya835 said:

Have created a little automation in iPhone to set input to local audio in HQP - working pretty well. 

 

Would you share, please?

[ScottThompson]

20 hours ago, Miska said:

 

Does your Lumin appear as a CoreAudio device in macOS Audio MIDI Settings? NAA lists audio devices of it's host OS.

 

But I would say for this to work you would skip the RasPi4  and Lumin should directly implement NAA protocol instead of going through intermediate point.

 

Only intermediate network-to-network NAA case I know is working is combination of NAA and RAVENNA / AES67 / Dante. Another case should be AVB, but not really tested. There the most useful use case is to bridge from NAA over WiFi to RAVENNA/AES67/Dante over ethernet. Since those other protocols don't really support WiFi while NAA works fine over WiFi.

 

Yes it does.

 

Lumin does not support NAA protocol at the moment, which is why I am using the Raspberry Pi 4 as an intermediate point.

 

If this current chain of hardware/software will not work do you know of any other ways in which I could set this up? Thanks a bunch for your help.

[scintilla]

On 6/26/2020 at 2:29 PM, Miska said:

 

Have you selected the TASCAM as input device? And then followed instructions here

https://www.signalyst.com/quickstart.html

under heading "Playing from source selection"?

 

Yes.  I have tried everything.  I tried using default and soundflower too.  It has to be a permission issue with Coreaudio or something.  The TASCAM does show up as a device in the pull down menu for both backend and input.  Its so frustrating. This machine is too old to move to Big Sur, so I will keep working on things in Catalina as I think of them. I don't get why the RME would work so easily but this TASCAM won't.

[CheapSplurge]

For chord dacs.what is most used dither, or what do *you* use? 

Also what modulator? To be used? Should I have adaptive output rate checked or not checked? 

[akshaya835]

23 hours ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

Would you share, please?

 

Okay so you will need some kind of virtual cable installed alongwith your HQP. Then you will need a SSH host (mac/linux) with netcat installed on it. On linux you can do 'apt install netcat' or on a mac 'brew install netcat'

 

Place below lines in a file (let's say hqp.sh) on your server (say in user home directory). Make sure that you make it executable (chmod +x hqp.sh)

host='10.10.10.161'
echo '...<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><Stop />' | nc -vvv -n $host 4321
echo '...<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><PlaylistClear />' | nc -vvv -n $host 4321
echo '...<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><PlaylistAdd uri="audio:VB-Cable/44100/2" queued="0" />' | nc -vvv -n $host 4321
echo '...<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?><Play />' | nc -vvv -n $host 4321

Before you save this file on your server just ENSURE that:

1) you have changed the 'host' value to your HQP player IP address

2) in line#4 you have changed "VB-Cable" string with your audio device name.

 

Once done - follow instructions as per below page in IOS automation app.

https://www.nimatek.net/ios-13-siri-can-run-ssh-commands/

 

HTH

[akshaya835]

On 6/28/2020 at 5:25 AM, Miska said:

 

Please see

https://www.signalyst.com/custom.html

under heading "HQPlayer Control" at the end of the page.

 

I could not find all those XML commands in source code - where can i get all those commands in XML format so that i can automate functions of HQP - if i could automate the switching filtering that would be awsome. 

 

Additionally i notice a lag (~1sec) when playing audio from local virtual cables - is could be the reason for that?

[jimdukey]

Just used the Library/Client feature yesterday, it worked great!

All Albums there, NO dupes, as in AV, or Folders inside of other Folders, and it's so easy to try different Filters, etc in Client.

I've always been a Drag and Drop guy.

Not anymore!

[Ultrarunner]

On 6/26/2020 at 7:45 PM, bobflood said:

You are welcome. I remembered seeing posts from others a while back having the same problem with the ST i5 but have not seen that issue recently. I thought Andrew had solved that problem. I am sure he can fix it for you.

Andrew said he has never seen any problems with Roon + HQPlayer on an SonicTransporter. He has no fix. So I guess if I want HQPlayer on a SonicTransporter, I would have to upgrade from i5 to the i9. Which is disappointing since I bought the i5 specifically to run these programs. 

[Account Closed]

1 hour ago, Ultrarunner said:

Andrew said he has never seen any problems with Roon + HQPlayer on an SonicTransporter. He has no fix. So I guess if I want HQPlayer on a SonicTransporter, I would have to upgrade from i5 to the i9. Which is disappointing since I bought the i5 specifically to run these programs. 

Sorry to hear that. I guess the problems I read about were people with ST i9 machines.It was back when the ST i9 was introduced. I don't remember the specific model being mentioned back then. Here is another possible solution. Keep the ST i5 and run Roon only on that and put HQP on another separate machine and just have Roon send to that machine. I will say that getting Roon and HQP to run happily on one machine is not always easy or stable. I have both running on a i5 8400/ASUS Z370I machine and I have have managed to get them to run together but it did take a bunch of experimenting with the BIOS and Win 10 settings. I now can do DSD 256 EC as long as I stay with 2s filters. If I were to start over now I would not try to get them to run together on one machine. I would buy an ST i5 for Roon and get a dedicated headless HQP machine for the up-sampling. To make it fool proof, I would just run one of Jussi's HQP OS images and be done with it. With Windows or Apple for that matter there are just too many extraneous things going on that you just can't control for it to ever be really stable. With Windows it is phoning home more than ET and much of it is beyond our control. Anyhow, sorry I gave you a wrong turn but you do have options.

[m3lraaHnevetS]

Hi Jussi,

 

I am running embedded on a 6700k using Euphony os.

Last week we had a heath wave in western Europe so I turned the computer off to save it some stress while I wasn't listening to music much anyway.

Now the heath is gone and I want to listen again so I turned the computer on....but I get an error from HQP see log below. Any idea what's happening?

 

Thanks

 

Steven

 

2020/06/30 10:56:53 Signalyst HQPlayer 4 Embedded 4.12.2
+ 2020/06/30 10:56:53 Engine starting...
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 libDSP version 21.3.2
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 HQPlayer Engine version 4.20.1
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Number of processor cores: 4
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Core mask: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001111
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Core pinning enabled
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Initial parallel threads: 1
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Number of logical cores: 1
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 DSP thread pools disabled
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 DSP pipelines disabled
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Pipelined DSP engine enabled
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 DirectSDM disabled
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Audio engine: alsa
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Output set channels: 2 (2)
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Output DAC bits: 24
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 asoundlib version: 1.1.6
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output device: hw:0,0
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: Line Out CLFE Jack
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: Line Out Front Jack
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: Line Out Side Jack
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: Line Out Surround Jack
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: Master Playback Switch
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: Front Playback Switch
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: Surround Playback Switch
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: Center Playback Switch
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: LFE Playback Switch
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: Side Playback Switch
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output control element: Playback Channel Map
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output mixer element: Master
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output mixer element: Front
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output mixer element: Surround
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output mixer element: Center
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output mixer element: LFE
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output mixer element: Side
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output access mode: RW_INTERLEAVED
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output PCM format: S32_LE
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output PCM bits: 32
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output PCM physical width: 32
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output PCM rates: 44100 - 192000
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output DSD not supported
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output rate available: 44100
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output rate available: 48000
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output rate available: 88200
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output rate available: 96000
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output rate available: 176400
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output rate available: 192000
+ 2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output backend initialized
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Output set channels: 2 (2)
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Hardware volume control disabled
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Volume max: 0
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Volume min: -60
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Volume scaler: 0.75
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Set volume: -3
  2020/06/30 10:56:53 Automatic rate family enabled
! 2020/06/30 10:56:53 clPlayerDaemon::CreateEngine(): clHQPlayerEngine::Initialize(): clString::ToInt(): not an integer
- 2020/06/30 10:56:53 ALSA output backend uninitialized
+ 2020/06/30 10:56:53 Server starting...

 

[CheapSplurge]

My trial with roon and audirvana ended. 

All I do is stream Tidal with any of them to discover new tracks. 

 

I'm trying out Jriver now and then will decide which ware to keep. 

I've found a manual on how to get jriver to hqplayer. 

 

But how exactly do I use hqplayer the same way I used it with roon, in the sense that I route hqplayer to play through jriver and do its magic, sort of how it's behavior with roon works. 

Please help. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, CheapSplurge said:

My trial with roon and audirvana ended. 

All I do is stream Tidal with any of them to discover new tracks. 

 

I'm trying out Jriver now and then will decide which ware to keep. 

I've found a manual on how to get jriver to hqplayer. 

 

But how exactly do I use hqplayer the same way I used it with roon, in the sense that I route hqplayer to play through jriver and do its magic, sort of how it's behavior with roon works. 

Please help. 

I’m not following you. HQPlayer doesn’t play through anything. It send audio to devices directly. Apps such as Roon can send audio to HQP for processing though. 

[ted_b]

CheapSplurge,

The integration of Roon (front end) and HQPlayer (back end) is a supported one by both Roon and HQP.  The use of JRiver as a front end to HQPlayer is a user-created integration (thanks Geoffrey Armstrong ) that should not be construed as equivalent.  It has great features, but should be used by someone who knows their way around JRiver.

[CheapSplurge]

2 minutes ago, ted_b said:

CheapSplurge,

The integration of Roon (front end) and HQPlayer (back end) is a supported one by both Roon and HQP.  The use of JRiver as a front end to HQPlayer is a user-created integration (thanks Geoffrey Armstrong ) that should not be construed as equivalent.  It has great features, but should be used by someone who knows their way around JRiver.

OK understood. So I guess I can't do it relatively easily? Just want to try it out. 

I love hqplayer and it working with a player I want is mandatory, if jriver can't do it, I guess roon may be it. 

But I truly do like jriver and learning more about it. 

I like using the upnp with it. 

 

Where can I make hqplayer do its magic while playing through jriver?  Throw me a bone plz? 

[ted_b]

Geoffrey? 

[ted_b]

You should PM Geoffrey Armstrong.  He can help you.

[Yviena]

@Miska just curious but which internal dac filter would you recommend  to use when doing PCM to PCM conversion  amongst  these  filters: 

[CheapSplurge]

What settings do I need to have in roon, to best work for hqplayer? 

I have a feeling something isn't right on my part 

 

I have to crack the volume way loud on my TT2 when using roon/hqplayer 

Vs say a local player like jriver without hqplayer 

 

Any of these should I change for best fidelity when associating roon with hqplayer? Finally getting the hang of the filters and stuff in HQplayer, but I want to make sure roon settings are optimal. 

 

Additionally where can I learn what each filter ect does in hqp? 

 

 

[ericuco]

28 minutes ago, CheapSplurge said:

What settings do I need to have in roon, to best work for hqplayer? 

I have a feeling something isn't right on my part 

 

I have to crack the volume way loud on my TT2 when using roon/hqplayer 

Vs say a local player like jriver without hqplayer 

 

Any of these should I change for best fidelity when associating roon with hqplayer? Finally getting the hang of the filters and stuff in HQplayer, but I want to make sure roon settings are optimal. 

 

Additionally where can I learn what each filter ect does in hqp? 

 

 

If you are using a preamp or DAC for volume control, then you should have HQP volume settings (Settings panel) at -3 Max and -60 Min. Then make sure the HQP volume knob is turned all the way up (clockwise) which would be -3 if using the above settings.

 

You should not need to adjust volume in Roon settings.

 

Another option is to have HQP control volume which lots of people here have found to be preferable but you need to be careful as with any software control. Roon can adjust the HQP volume which works great.

[CheapSplurge]

2 minutes ago, ericuco said:

If you are using a preamp or DAC for volume control, then you should have HQP volume settings (Settings panel) at -3 Max and -60 Min. Then make sure the HQP volume knob is turned all the way up (clockwise) which would be -3 if using the above settings.

 

You should need to adjust volume in Roon.

 

Another option is to have HQP control volume which lots of people here have found to be preferable but you need to be careful as with any software control. Roon can adjust the HQP volume which works great.

I really appreciate your help, I'd like my Hugo tt2 to handle volume

 

Here is what I did, recommend anything else?