Miska Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 On 5/11/2019 at 6:04 AM, lucretius said: Interestingly, I manually set the audio default (URI ?) to audio:default/11286900/2 and now I am back to upsampling to DSD. Don't know if this will stick or not. This needs to be more robust. Edit: I had change audio:default/11286900/2 to audio:default/11289600/2. It seems to be sticking. That part has nothing to do with Roon... It is about selecting audio input hardware parameters for realtime processing... If it has effect, I suspect you have accidentally same device selected as both input and output device. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
jimdukey Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I've had no problems with AQ, DH Labs and Wireworld USB A to B cables and HQ, but what brand non-audiophile cables do you recommend? Also no problem with Jitterbug dealie. I recall Miska saying he didn't have confidence that audiophile cables weren't really up to Industry Specs. Link to comment
Miska Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 On 5/11/2019 at 4:14 AM, DancingSea said: If you think HQP is worth $2500, then a level of delusion has crept into the frozen tundra! Depends how you look at things, if we calculate for example: 60 €/hour * 8 hours/day * 21 work days per month * 12 months per year * 20 years = 2419200 EUR Although if you hire one developer from a software company to work on something it is around 120€/hour. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Sigi Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Hi, I installed Ver. 4 on win 2012 R2. Works fine, but can somebody explain where I can find what are the difference between HQPlayer 4 desktop, High DPI, No Style? What will I have to do to use the client? How to use the Library? Browse in the GUI is ok, but library scan, nothing appears. Sorry if it was explained already, but it is difficult to find due to the hundreds of posts! cheers sigi PS: Is there a way to solve the Alsa-Merging back? Want to use the Linux embedded! Link to comment
Miska Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, jimdukey said: I've had no problems with AQ, DH Labs and Wireworld USB A to B cables and HQ, but what brand non-audiophile cables do you recommend? Also no problem with Jitterbug dealie. I recall Miska saying he didn't have confidence that audiophile cables weren't really up to Industry Specs. I've usually just said to look for standard USB cable that has the official USB HiSpeed Certified -badge. Or in case of USB 3 cable, USB SuperSpeed Certified. These cost like 10 - 20 EUR, at least good to keep at hand for checking if problems appear. I don't pay much attention to brands. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Miska Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sigi said: I installed Ver. 4 on win 2012 R2. Works fine, but can somebody explain where I can find what are the difference between HQPlayer 4 desktop, High DPI, No Style? High DPI is primarily for use with 4K displays and such, if the user interface otherwise looks too tiny. "No Style" drops the default theme and goes for automatic platform theme selection. On Windows, this means Windows widget style and on macOS it means macOS widget style. On Linux the result depends on desktop environment. 6 minutes ago, Sigi said: What will I have to do to use the client? You need to have the server (HQPlayer Desktop or HQPlayer Embedded) running, then you can connect to wanted server and view the library, or select one of the inputs. You can also adjust filter selections and such (syncing of which seems to still bug a bit - needs more fixing). 11 minutes ago, Sigi said: How to use the Library? Browse in the GUI is ok, but library scan, nothing appears. Nothing appears in the library management dialog table, or? Library is used either through the Client, or through some other application. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Sigi Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Thank you! Can you say something about the Alsa-Merging driver for Hapi? Since March nothing happens and it is tedious to play music when after a stop one has to initialise everything again. I want to use Linux as OS but at the moment it isn’t possible and Merging seems to have no interest in the potential users. At least nothing is moving on in the forum! Why did the opened ? Cheers PS: wonderful software you have developed! And compared to Roon the price is justifiable !! Link to comment
Miska Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sigi said: Thank you! Can you say something about the Alsa-Merging driver for Hapi? Since March nothing happens and it is tedious to play music when after a stop one has to initialise everything again. I want to use Linux as OS but at the moment it isn’t possible and Merging seems to have no interest in the potential users. At least nothing is moving on in the forum! Why did the opened ? Their Linux driver needs fixing, but last time I checked there were no updates to it. Now that Desktop 4 is out, I will again look at this too. The driver is open source, so I could also look into it, but I don't think I should be spending a lot of time fixing their driver. For me there would be extra time and effort to first understand how the driver works before I could start modifying it. I guess Merging has been just busy working on many things, like Pyramix, the new Anubis device, etc. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
lucretius Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 On 5/10/2019 at 10:15 PM, lucretius said: Edit: After opening and closing HQPlayer a few times, the upsampling has returned to 384k (with Roon source) and not DSD256 as it should. This behaviour appears unstable 1 hour ago, Miska said: I've got many reports like this and in many cases problem was found to be a USB gadget or audiophile USB cable. I'm just using a Belkin USB cable -- I can try another cable. I'm not using any USB gadget. mQa is dead! Link to comment
lucretius Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Miska said: 4 hours ago, StreamFidelity said: What I wish for the further development of the HQPlayers 4 is an optional automatic. The desire of user is clear: he does not want to control the volume in HQPlayer. The necessary headroom should be able to determine a clever algorithm. That is possible, but it would make the library scanning take many hours or even days... But what if the loudness analysis was done by another software (e.g. JRiver Media Center) and the values stored in the metadata. Could HQPlayer work with that metadata? mQa is dead! Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Miska, I am setting SDM pack to none in Input Devise setting, but next time I open preferences it is set to DoP - is it normal? Backend set to [none] Link to comment
lucretius Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Miska said: On 5/10/2019 at 11:04 PM, lucretius said: Interestingly, I manually set the audio default (URI ?) to audio:default/11286900/2 and now I am back to upsampling to DSD. Don't know if this will stick or not. This needs to be more robust. Edit: I had change audio:default/11286900/2 to audio:default/11289600/2. It seems to be sticking. That part has nothing to do with Roon... It is about selecting audio input hardware parameters for realtime processing... If it has effect, I suspect you have accidentally same device selected as both input and output device. Virtual Audio Cable - WASAPI was input device and Mytek Brooklyn DAC - ASIO was output device. mQa is dead! Link to comment
Popular Post Bob Stern Posted May 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Le Concombre Masqué said: with apps such as Qobuz or safari I have to use Audio Hijack in complement of Loopback : I create an Audio Hijack capture who has a Loopback instance as output and then that output can be the input selected in HQP From what I read I shouldn't need Audio Hijack and there's something I don't do right, probably about building a pass-thru. I have odd things such as Audio Midi changing the format ie to 192 and thus I loose everything (I'm not connected to my DAC while experimenting and output to built-in speakers with a 96 limitation Loopback should suffice without Audio Hijack. You should test it with your DAC instead of built-in speakers. The output device chosen in HQP should not be the Mac default output device because HQP cannot properly set the sample rate of the output device if other apps also are playing audio to the device. Also, be aware that a feature of Loopback is that, unlike Audio Hijack, it will not mute the sound source until it detects that a program is actively receiving audio from the Loopback output. Therefore, Loopback will continue to route the sound from Safari or Qobuz to the default output device (which you should set to built-in speakers) until you press the Play button in HQP and you see the elapsed time advancing in HQP. If HQP's elapsed time display is not advancing, it is not receiving the input. blue2 and Le Concombre Masqué 1 1 HQPlayer (on 3.8 GHz 8-core i7 iMac 2020) > NAA (on 2012 Mac Mini i7) > RME ADI-2 v2 > Benchmark AHB-2 > Thiel 3.7 Link to comment
LoryWiv Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Miska said: It (HQ Player 4.xx continuing to use CPU cycles after playback is stopped) happens on purpose, but it should stop doing that after some time. Appreciate the answer, but not understanding why that is helpful. The negative, perhaps unintended, consequence is that it becomes additive, i.e. - if I stop playback, clear playlist and drop another file or files into desktop to playback, settings that normally run well at 20% CPU now use 40%, from the current and prior playback. Seems counterproductive....any way to mitigate? Thanks, Jussi! Desktop: HQ Player --> Singxer SU-1 --> Matrix X-Sabre Pro --> McChanson SuperSilver UltimatE Headphones: Audeze MM-500, Meze Audio Elite, Focal Utopia 2022, Focal Bathys (Wireless) Portable Gear: Hiby RS6, xDuoo XD05 Bal 2, FiiO BTR7, Creative BT-W5, FiiTii HiFiDots TWS Nearfield Active Speakers: Audioengine HD3 Power Conditioning: Furman Elite-15 PFi Link to comment
Superdad Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 THINK I MAY HAVE FOUND A BUG in MacOS version of HQ Player Desktop V4.0.2: (Longtime HQP Desktop 3.x user, so even accounting for the 4.x changes I think I mostly know how this is supposed to work) Selecting "[source]" as "Default Output Mode," with the expectation that HQP will follow the source format and not tune PCM>DSD nor DSD>PCM is not working right--nor is DirectDSM in relation to it. a) With [source] selected, DSD64 tracks will not play at all (regardless of whether or not DirectSDM is ticked in DSD Source Settings window). b) If I select PCM as "Default Output Mode," DSD tracks are converted to PCM even with the DirectSDM ticked in the DSD Source Settings window! Thus the only way I can get DSD64 to play at its native rate is to set "Default Output Mode" to "SDM (DSD)". But then PCM is converted to DSD rates upon playback. This is a big hassle--to have to constantly go into Preferences when playing a playlist that has a mix of Redbook and DSD tracks. I run a modified Singxer SU-1 via I2S into a Holo Spring L3 set to NOS. I much prefer Redbook played at 352.8 (polysinc-short, 20 DAC bits, NS5), and DSD played at native rate (or sometimes 256). ------ On a different note: Why the heck is it that in HQP Client, when in Transport view, the song tracks in the third column (from left) do not change or disappear as you select other artists in leftmost column? It is not as if any of those songs had been added to a playlist. They only appear and change once you select an album in the middle column. But they should either go away or change as you select other artists. I have never seen any other music library browser behave this way. Sorry Jussi, that's pretty weak. UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
Miska Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 4 hours ago, lucretius said: Virtual Audio Cable - WASAPI was input device and Mytek Brooklyn DAC - ASIO was output device. Do you then have default output format set to "[source]"? Instead of asking for "SDM (DSD)"? Quote I'm just using a Belkin USB cable -- I can try another cable. I'm not using any USB gadget. Belkin cable direct from computer for the DAC should be fine Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Miska Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 4 hours ago, lucretius said: But what if the loudness analysis was done by another software (e.g. JRiver Media Center) and the values stored in the metadata. Could HQPlayer work with that metadata? It is not about loudness, but about what is highest peak combined with the particular input data and filter... So the excess could be found by upsampling every file with every filter to highest possible rate and finding what happens to be the highest peak. Although pretty good estimate could be reached by testing with one suitable filter. lucretius 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
lucretius Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Miska said: Do you then have default output format set to "[source]"? Instead of asking for "SDM (DSD)"? mQa is dead! Link to comment
Lio_B Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 On 5/8/2019 at 6:21 PM, Lio_B said: I'm a HQP3 user with Roon I only listened PCM tracks at 24/96 maximum by choice. What can offer HQP4 more than HQP3 to me ? Did HQP3 still have support & updates ? thanks Does anyone have an answer for me ? thanks My system Link to comment
rando Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 21 hours ago, sootshe said: Also, I can't get to the settings at the bottom of the screen in preferences. @Miska I tread carefully here. This is a question not a demand or complaint. The preferences screen appears to have tripped up at least the above poster on IOS. None of my Windows laptops built in screens allow portrait mode (putting me in the same position). As is I see no way to save desired settings without hooking up an external screen (which cuts off 4/5 of the OK button leaving just enough to register a mouse click). Would adding a scroll slider be something you would consider or is there a solution already in place we are missing? I do understand this is related to making the program usable natively on higher resolution devices. Link to comment
Miska Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Superdad said: Selecting "[source]" as "Default Output Mode," with the expectation that HQP will follow the source format and not tune PCM>DSD nor DSD>PCM is not working right--nor is DirectDSM in relation to it. a) With [source] selected, DSD64 tracks will not play at all (regardless of whether or not DirectSDM is ticked in DSD Source Settings window). Yes, this was fixed earlier today. I've added some extra sanity check features to the control API to prevent bad behavior if misused, but unfortunately as a side effect it broke this feature from properly switching between PCM and DSD outputs on the fly (unusual use case to use, but should of course work anyway). 13 minutes ago, Superdad said: b) If I select PCM as "Default Output Mode," DSD tracks are converted to PCM even with the DirectSDM ticked in the DSD Source Settings window! This works as intended, and just the same as in Desktop v3. Direct SDM only selects whether DSD -> DSD path goes through DSP or not. 15 minutes ago, Superdad said: Thus the only way I can get DSD64 to play at its native rate is to set "Default Output Mode" to "SDM (DSD)". But then PCM is converted to DSD rates upon playback. This is a big hassle--to have to constantly go into Preferences when playing a playlist that has a mix of Redbook and DSD tracks. That is what is anyway done most of the time. There are very few DACs where switching between the two makes any sense. 16 minutes ago, Superdad said: I run a modified Singxer SU-1 via I2S into a Holo Spring L3 set to NOS. I much prefer Redbook played at 352.8 (polysinc-short, 20 DAC bits, NS5), and DSD played at native rate (or sometimes 256). I run mine in DSD mode always, I personally don't want to use the R2R mode... 26 minutes ago, Superdad said: Why the heck is it that in HQP Client, when in Transport view, the song tracks in the third column (from left) do not change or disappear as you select other artists in leftmost column? ...fixed... Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Popular Post Superdad Posted May 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2019 A big shout-out to @Bob Stern for mentioning Swinsian as a MacOS library manager/player. iTunes (before Apple bloated it, though I know how to strip it back) has always been my gold standard for direct music library management. My brain just works best with its multi-paned column-browser format and I find its selecting/editing flexibility and easy playlist building very intuitive. Swinsian has all that and more (and a LOT less of the Apple garden stuff I don't need in a music player/manager). It seems quite the dream and I encourage Mac folks to check it out. Oh, almost forgot: Unlike iTunes, Swinsian supports FLAC and DSF(DSD) files! There seems to be really only three things missing from Swinsian that keep me from completely kicking iTunes to the curb: 1) No direct support for ripping CDs. Guess I would need to switch to a standalone CD ripper utility that also gathers disc metadata from web. 2) No support for syncing to iOS devices, though I don't really need such except when going on vacation and bringing some new albums to listen to or to supply music for a party. 3) No way to use Swinsian as a front end to HQ Player. I've yet to try @Geoffrey Armstrong's iTunes>HQ Player utility (originally a script but now written in 'C' if I recall; has it been tested with HQP 4.x?), but I understand that Bob has an iTunes script that he might modify for use with Swinsian. Such would be lovely! Sorry for the off-topic. I know this is the HQ Player thread. But I also know that there is a dearth of MacOS library management/player front ends that work with HQ Player. If part of @Miska's purpose in splitting out his loved-only-by-him () minimalist Client--from the core of the great sounding HQP technology--is to allow and encourage other controllers and library managers, that's a great thing. Now we just need to hope for more desktop choices--besides Roon--for MacOS. jamesg11, lucser and DancingSea 2 1 UpTone Audio LLC Link to comment
One and a half Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Miska said: You need to ask Lumin and Linn to include NAA software module. Just like many companies now include Roon Bridge. Ok thanks, will give it a shot. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
Miska Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, lucretius said: OK, strange, because only thing that source URI will do is to set input sampling rate to 705.6 kHz and when playback is started the input is started at that rate. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Miska Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Lio_B said: Does anyone have an answer for me ? You can keep eye on announced new features and decide if/when there is some feature you would find useful. Version 3 is maintained at least until beginning of May 2020. Lio_B 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
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