elan120 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 40 minutes ago, lucretius said: When Roon is the source, I cannot get HQPlayer to upsample to DSD256. You can see from my settings below that DSD is the Default Output Mode: Instead, HQPlayer upsamples to 384k: Am I doing something wrong? How do I get HQPlayer to upsample to DSD256 (when Roon is the source)? Try gray or check the "Adaptive output rate". Link to comment
lucretius Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 42 minutes ago, elan120 said: Try gray or check the "Adaptive output rate". Neither worked. In fact, checking the Adaptive Output Rate caused the upsampling to go to 352.8k instead of 384k. But still, no DSD. However, after unchecking Adaptive Rate Output, closing HQPlayer and reopening, it now works -- HQPlayer upsamples the Roon source to 11.2896M (DSD256). Very strange. Edit: After opening and closing HQPlayer a few times, the upsampling has returned to 384k (with Roon source) and not DSD256 as it should. This behaviour appears unstable. mQa is dead! Link to comment
elan120 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, lucretius said: Neither worked. In fact, checking the Adaptive Output Rate caused the upsampling to go to 352.8k instead of 384k. But still, no DSD. However, after unchecking Adaptive Rate Output, closing HQPlayer and reopening, it now works -- HQPlayer upsamples the Roon source to 11.2896M (DSD256). Very strange. This is the setting I use to run upsampling to DSD512. I grayed Multicore DSP, CUDA offload, and Adaptive output rate, and can run both PCM RedBook and Hi-Res as well as DSD64 to DSD512 without changing settings. Link to comment
lucretius Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 55 minutes ago, elan120 said: This is the setting I use to run upsampling to DSD512. I grayed Multicore DSP, CUDA offload, and Adaptive output rate, and can run both PCM RedBook and Hi-Res as well as DSD64 to DSD512 without changing settings. That doesn't work for me. I have more success with Adaptive Output Rate unchecked -- at least it would work sometimes; keeps alternating between 384k and 11.2869M. Interestingly, I manually set the audio default (URI ?) to audio:default/11286900/2 and now I am back to upsampling to DSD. Don't know if this will stick or not. This needs to be more robust. Edit: I had change audio:default/11286900/2 to audio:default/11289600/2. It seems to be sticking. mQa is dead! Link to comment
lucretius Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 49 minutes ago, lucretius said: Edit: I had change audio:default/11286900/2 to audio:default/11289600/2. It seems to be sticking. I spoke too soon. It's now back to 384k. Very intermittent. @Miska please help! Thanks. Edit: I just checked Desktop 3 -- it sometimes suffers from this problem too -- I hadn't noticed it before. mQa is dead! Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Miska said: [...] From my perspective, the price is still extremely cheap. It should really have one extra zero at the end. Extra zero - that's close to what I paid for Amarra with all its "upgrades" and "additions" during some years, and I am not using Amarra anymore, even deleted it from computer. Quality of experience is more important here than price, imho. juanitox 1 Link to comment
Popular Post juanitox Posted May 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2019 6 hours ago, DancingSea said: i was dissapointed too about the new price of HQP4 , then i remember than my HQP3 is still working and sound near as good. all depends of the "near" value you can find. then i also remember all the money i have spent in fancy speaker cable, interconnect, USB , or exotic capacitors and suddenly the price to get HQP4 seems peanuts 😂 AnotherSpin and tedwoods 2 PC audio /Roon + HQPLAYER / HOLO Spring 2 / / DIY AD1 SET tube amp / DIY Altec 2 way horn Speaker Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 5 hours ago, DancingSea said: [...] In my opinion, and you are welcome to disagree, in this consumer market we have, for instance, Audirvana at $74 with $40 upgrades - sounds good and has a functional library with Tidal & Quboz. HQP at $240 with 200% major upgrade fees has an excellent sound engine, but is otherwise undeveloped. The GUI and library system is antiquated at best. You’ve been receiving feedback on this for years yet totally ignore it. For me, its difficult to reconcile your pricing given the undeveloped state of your entire package. [...] IMO it is opposite. GUI doesn't look antiquated, it is dictated by purpose, and I like HQP laconic design. Do not care about library, I am not admiring album covers when listening music. When downloaded A+ trial recently (was it's user since "free" times and up to 2x, abandoned later) was repelled by it's childish outlook with all these extra size elements, coloring schemes, etc. Link to comment
Honoré Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 it's true but the increase for the passage V3 2017 (142,90 €) to V4 (191 €) is difficult to understand! Link to comment
Popular Post LoryWiv Posted May 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2019 Not directing this post at any one individual, as everyone has a right to express their opinion, but I am finding some of the critiques of HQ Player 4.xx pricing and design choices a bit distracting from this forum's usually excellent signal to noise ratio for helpful content. I'll offer my 2 cents but of course others are free to disagree. Everyone's definition of "value" is relative. HQ Player has been my core software for the last year, frequently updated at no additional cost until 4.xx, and Jussi's presence on this forum is invaluable. I have even come to appreciate the flexibility of the new client - server architecture and internal logic of the interface choices. Most importantly, I have never heard my music sound this consistently excellent prior to HQ Player across a wide array of source types, with upsampling options and filters to refine per preference. FooBar is free. Other commercial programs cost less. HQ Player 4.xx offers an evaluation version to allow each potential user to determine if it is worth the asking price versus less expensive options. IMO, it is not helpful to critique Jussi's business decisions on this forum....vote with your wallet. I suspect that the "add an extra zero to price" response reflected some degree of frustration / irritation that his presence on the forum to offer help and receive constructive feedback about usability has left him open to these recommendations about his business needs and decisions from people w/o real skin in the game....seems a bit disingenuous. Hoping we can get back to discussion of optimizing HQ Player functionality. Truly don't intend to offend anyone, please take these comments as just a request to re-focus the discussion on using and improving HQ Player 4.xx for those of us who feel it meets our value equation and want to get the most out of it. AnotherSpin, ericuco, Confused and 2 others 3 2 Desktop: HQ Player --> Singxer SU-1 --> Matrix X-Sabre Pro --> McChanson SuperSilver UltimatE Headphones: Audeze MM-500, Meze Audio Elite, Focal Utopia 2022, Focal Bathys (Wireless) Portable Gear: Hiby RS6, xDuoo XD05 Bal 2, FiiO BTR7, Creative BT-W5, FiiTii HiFiDots TWS Nearfield Active Speakers: Audioengine HD3 Power Conditioning: Furman Elite-15 PFi Link to comment
warrior-kid Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I have not managed to make V4 work at all, the Library popup shows all the sub-directories with albums but the main interface is empty, so I cannot even play anything in the new version. V3 is installed alongside and works fine. So if anyone wanted my custom, I need some help in figuring out how to make it work in the first instance. Hey?! Ayre QX-5 Twenty + Oppo 205, Mac mini + Audirvana, Ayre KX-R Twenty pre, Ayre MX-R monos, Monitor Audio PL300 floorstanders, Shunyata cables Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, warrior-kid said: I have not managed to make V4 work at all, the Library popup shows all the sub-directories with albums but the main interface is empty, so I cannot even play anything in the new version. V3 is installed alongside and works fine. So if anyone wanted my custom, I need some help in figuring out how to make it work in the first instance. Hey?! There is a pdf file called "HQPlayer4Desktop-manual" in downloaded folder. You may want to start from this. Link to comment
warrior-kid Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 OK, great, I am reading the manual and it goes completely over my head. Why would a "server" called Desktop have any user interface if it is a client-server architecture? If the Client is a UI, it itself should have all the configuration options and the "server" should be a headless process. But never mind, I am just trying to make it work, one way or another. On the HQDesktop, I go to File -> Library. This shows me a large list of directories with albums. Am I meant to click OK or what else do i do? I press OK, which closes the window with the album directories and brings me back to the main HQDEsktop interface, which is gloriously empty. Please help! Ayre QX-5 Twenty + Oppo 205, Mac mini + Audirvana, Ayre KX-R Twenty pre, Ayre MX-R monos, Monitor Audio PL300 floorstanders, Shunyata cables Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, warrior-kid said: OK, great, I am reading the manual and it goes completely over my head. Why would a "server" called Desktop have any user interface if it is a client-server architecture? If the Client is a UI, it itself should have all the configuration options and the "server" should be a headless process. But never mind, I am just trying to make it work, one way or another. On the HQDesktop, I go to File -> Library. This shows me a large list of directories with albums. Am I meant to click OK or what else do i do? I press OK, which closes the window with the album directories and brings me back to the main HQDEsktop interface, which is gloriously empty. Please help! I hope somebody else will help with library management, I never used it. You could drag and drop a folder with an album into main HQP window as it was possible before. Or, with 4x you could pick a folder from any directory with new Browse button (under Volume knob). Link to comment
warrior-kid Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 The word "Library" appears on page 9 of the Manual. The very first thing it says "To edit library ...". It does not even say _what_ is the Library--I thought it was the set of albums available to the player so that the albums were readily available for browsing, but nothing is explained. The "Library" view shows the "library" (never mind I have no idea what it is or what role does it play in the whole experience), then if I press OK, it shows me an empty screen. So what did I just edit exactly? A library? A library of what? Of some directory locations that I cannot even make any use of? It is nuts, sorry. Ayre QX-5 Twenty + Oppo 205, Mac mini + Audirvana, Ayre KX-R Twenty pre, Ayre MX-R monos, Monitor Audio PL300 floorstanders, Shunyata cables Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, warrior-kid said: The word "Library" appears on page 9 of the Manual. The very first thing it says "To edit library ...". It does not even say _what_ is the Library--I thought it was the set of albums available to the player so that the albums were readily available for browsing, but nothing is explained. The "Library" view shows the "library" (never mind I have no idea what it is or what role does it play in the whole experience), then if I press OK, it shows me an empty screen. So what did I just edit exactly? A library? A library of what? Of some directory locations that I cannot even make any use of? It is nuts, sorry. I had an impression you want HQP play your music. If yes, it is easy. But, it may well be, I am wrong, and you want something else - have fun!) Link to comment
warrior-kid Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I want to be able to browse my music using the library function and play it--yes. So what is the "library", how can I get a view with all my music searchable and yes, playable? Ayre QX-5 Twenty + Oppo 205, Mac mini + Audirvana, Ayre KX-R Twenty pre, Ayre MX-R monos, Monitor Audio PL300 floorstanders, Shunyata cables Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, warrior-kid said: I want to be able to browse my music using the library function and play it--yes. So what is the "library", how can I get a view with all my music searchable and yes, playable? Somebody, who uses library will help, hopefully. Link to comment
warrior-kid Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Talking about playing music. I have used the Browse button under the Volume knob to load up the album tracks into the main view. That is promising. In the Client, I still cannot see anything, but OK, I press the > Play button in the HQ Desktop window. It starts to play, great! Do I hear any sound? No, nothing. If I go to Preferences, I can see Oppo 205 available for playback, so why am I not hearing a thing? Again, going back to V3, it all works fine. i am on MacOS Mohave btw. Ayre QX-5 Twenty + Oppo 205, Mac mini + Audirvana, Ayre KX-R Twenty pre, Ayre MX-R monos, Monitor Audio PL300 floorstanders, Shunyata cables Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 1 minute ago, warrior-kid said: Talking about playing music. I have used the Browse button under the Volume knob to load up the album tracks into the main view. That is promising. In the Client, I still cannot see anything, but OK, I press the > Play button in the HQ Desktop window. It starts to play, great! Do I hear any sound? No, nothing. If I go to Preferences, I can see Oppo 205 available for playback, so why am I not hearing a thing? Again, going back to V3, it all works fine. i am on MacOS Mohave btw. I am on Mojave too, listening music right at this moment with 4.0.2. Did you turn Volume knob from far left position? Link to comment
R1200CL Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 22 hours ago, Le Concombre Masqué said: So much so that a favorite filter in 3 might become the worst or so in 4. Very strange findings, as my understanding is that both versions has the exact same filters. Do you use same REW in both setups ? Same USB cable and same USB port ? Link to comment
warrior-kid Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I have an excellent pre-amplifier for volume control--see my signature. In V3, the volume is de-activated and on minimum, do I need to do something different on V4? Correction: I was wrong my V3 has 100% volume. Will up the volume then and see what happens! OK, we're in business now, at least that is working with 100% volume now. Now I can see how that is different from V3, and will report here! Ayre QX-5 Twenty + Oppo 205, Mac mini + Audirvana, Ayre KX-R Twenty pre, Ayre MX-R monos, Monitor Audio PL300 floorstanders, Shunyata cables Link to comment
Theobetley Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 So all my dff files and some of my dsf files will not play. What internal checks does Hqp do to prevent running either dff or dsf files? This represents about 30% of my music. I recall Miska saying Hqp will not play compressed dff files. Is that the check? All these files play in Roon so I am disappointed they will not play in Hqp. Can Hqp be adjusted to run these files or am I stuck? Link to comment
warrior-kid Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 OK, first tests are in based on Steve Howe, Anthology. HQP V3 plays using PCM or DSD output with little clicks and small gaps. HQP V4 plays using PCM with little clicks. Overall sounds nice, don't know if it is better in any way than V3. DSD output fails with a horrible popping sound and then silence. Audirvana V3 plays natively, no clicks, no gaps, all clean and the best sound overall. Ayre QX-5 Twenty + Oppo 205, Mac mini + Audirvana, Ayre KX-R Twenty pre, Ayre MX-R monos, Monitor Audio PL300 floorstanders, Shunyata cables Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, Theobetley said: So all my dff files and some of my dsf files will not play. What internal checks does Hqp do to prevent running either dff or dsf files? This represents about 30% of my music. I recall Miska saying Hqp will not play compressed dff files. Is that the check? All these files play in Roon so I am disappointed they will not play in Hqp. Can Hqp be adjusted to run these files or am I stuck? Both dsf and dff plays ok in my system. You should probably experiment with settings. Link to comment
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