Miska Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 45 minutes ago, Em2016 said: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-everything-we-know,38233.html I see the Ryzen 5 3600G coming later this year, 95W TDP (can do fanless in HDPlex case), octa core, GPU built-in. But do you want that AMD GPU? It takes away cores... But the Ryzen 9 looks very tempting indeed, lot of cores while still maintaining clock speeds too. And price is certainly decent. asdf1000 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Miska said: But do you want that AMD GPU? It takes away cores... Ah, thanks. Shows how little I know! Didn't realise it takes aware cores. Works differently to Intel with it's built-in GPU? Link to comment
Miska Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, Em2016 said: Ah, thanks. Shows how little I know! Didn't realise it takes aware cores. Works differently to Intel with it's built-in GPU? No, probably similar way. On Intel you have also similar difference. GPU takes some space on the silicon and it's own allocated slot of the TDP. In this case it looks like two CPU cores were replaced with one GPU. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
rickca Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, Miska said: But do you want that AMD GPU? It takes away cores... What do you mean it takes away cores? Both the 3600X and 3600G are 95W with 8/16 cores/threads ... but the 3600G base/boost clocks are lower (3.2/4.0) than the 3600X (4.0/4.8). So you're losing a lot of CPU performance to accommodate the GPU in the power budget. Pareto Audio AMD 7700 Server --> Berkeley Alpha USB --> Jeff Rowland Aeris --> Jeff Rowland 625 S2 --> Focal Utopia 3 Diablos with 2 x Focal Electra SW 1000 BE subs i7-6700K/Windows 10 --> EVGA Nu Audio Card --> Focal CMS50's Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Miska said: No, probably similar way. On Intel you have also similar difference. GPU takes some space on the silicon and it's own allocated slot of the TDP. In this case it looks like two CPU cores were replaced with one GPU. Noted. Have to wait for the geekbench results then I guess. If Ryzen 5 3600G can get close to i7-9700K performance for much better price, it could be very good value for the dollar. And comparable because both include built-in GPU. For sure, Ryzen 9 looks great on paper too. Pair it with RTX 2080. Link to comment
PieterP Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 One does not need a built-in gpu if one can accomodate for example a simple pcie fanless videocard. That works out of the box with linux too. Link to comment
asdf1000 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, PieterP said: One does not need a built-in gpu if one can accomodate for example a simple pcie fanless videocard. That works out of the box with linux too. Hi PieterP, can you give a couple cheap examples of cheap PCIe fanless videocards? Link to comment
Miska Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Em2016 said: Hi PieterP, can you give a couple cheap examples of cheap PCIe fanless videocards? There are many, but hrere's one based on Nvidia GT 1030: https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/GT1030-SL-2G-BRK/ asdf1000 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Miska Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Em2016 said: If Ryzen 5 3600G can get close to i7-9700K performance for much better price, it could be very good value for the dollar. And comparable because both include built-in GPU. For sure, Ryzen 9 looks great on paper too. Pair it with RTX 2080. Ryzen 5 competes with Core i5, hence the naming. Ryzen 7 = i7, Ryzen 9 = i9... Ryzen cores are not as fast as Intel's, clock-to-clock, so you need more cores. But they already have more cores and somewhat lower prices. So for same price you usually get at least equivalent performance. asdf1000 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Miska Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 7 hours ago, rickca said: What do you mean it takes away cores? Both the 3600X and 3600G are 95W with 8/16 cores/threads ... but the 3600G base/boost clocks are lower (3.2/4.0) than the 3600X (4.0/4.8). So you're losing a lot of CPU performance to accommodate the GPU in the power budget. Ryzen 5 is just 6 cores to accommodate GPU on about the same die size. If X and G have same amount of cores, then G has larger die so they need to take clocks down to stay within the TDP. Effect is the same anyway, GPU takes it's own slice of the power budget as you say. Usually rated TDP is the limiting factor. On Intel CPUs you have similar on LGA1151 vs LGA2011-3, or 9X series vs other CPUs on LGA2066. Would love to see how 9980XE fares against Threadripper on "HQPlayer benchmark". asdf1000 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
kelvinwsy Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Miska said: There are many, but hrere's one based on Nvidia GT 1030: https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/GT1030-SL-2G-BRK/ Try thePALIT GeForce 1050Ti KalmitX fanless GPU Link to comment
Miska Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, kelvinwsy said: Try thePALIT GeForce 1050Ti KalmitX fanless GPU I guess that's quite a bit more expensive? There may be still some GT 710's also on market. At least in Finland there's still ASUS GT710 available too, for 46 EUR. Perfectly fine for occasional text console use. asdf1000 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
PieterP Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I have an asus gt710 1mb for about 41 euro. Not ment for cuda, only for simple graphics for installing software and managing bios. Currently have a ryzen 1600 and asus x470 mobo. Expect to upgrade to ryzen 3600 or 3700 later this year. Link to comment
rando Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Jury has yet to convene on 1060ti. Could be a low budget option at rumored US $150. Link to comment
Le Concombre Masqué Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 @Miska What kind of horsepower is required to play MCH SACD rips? Alternative Q : I'm downloading but I have not yet tried 3.25 ; can it be configured (how?) to play MCH SACD rips (MCH DVDA play just fine and gorgeous) with a 2012 MBP (bootcamping Windows), that is with attached features: Link to comment
Miska Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Le Concombre Masqué said: What kind of horsepower is required to play MCH SACD rips? Alternative Q : I'm downloading but I have not yet tried 3.25 ; can it be configured (how?) to play MCH SACD rips (MCH DVDA play just fine and gorgeous) with a 2012 MBP (bootcamping Windows), that is with attached features: Depends if you want to do any processing for such, and if you do, what exactly. Playing it bit-perfect in Direct SDM is not a problem for pretty much anything. If you want to do lot of DSP operations, you'll need quite hefty machine... Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Le Concombre Masqué Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Miska said: Depends if you want to do any processing for such, and if you do, what exactly. Playing it bit-perfect in Direct SDM is not a problem for pretty much anything. If you want to do lot of DSP operations, you'll need quite hefty machine... Convolving full range, always convolving... I'll try convolving without upsampling Link to comment
Miska Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Le Concombre Masqué said: Convolving full range, always convolving... I'll try convolving without upsampling That's something where powerful GPU can be helpful... Le Concombre Masqué 1 Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
alec_eiffel Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I am planning to build a Hackintosh with i7 and NVIDIA Card. I know that Hackintosh can work with CUDA drivers on High Sierra, but that some applications could have issue. Has someone tested HQPLayer Desktop MacOS with GPU assistance on a hackintosh ? NB: I need MacOS or Windows for Exasound drivers, so no Linux possible. MacOS is more stable and allows for hardware volume control through Roon, until I implement HQPlayer’s software volume. Link to comment
Miska Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 49 minutes ago, alec_eiffel said: NB: I need MacOS or Windows for Exasound drivers, so no Linux possible. MacOS is more stable and allows for hardware volume control through Roon, until I implement HQPlayer’s software volume. That hardware volume doesn't work when you have HQPlayer in the middle, in that case, Roon controls HQPlayer's volume. Only HQPlayer Embedded (Linux only) supports hybrid hardware + software volume control. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Bob Stern Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, alec_eiffel said: I am planning to build a Hackintosh with i7 and NVIDIA Card. I know that Hackintosh can work with CUDA drivers on High Sierra, but that some applications could have issue. Has someone tested HQPLayer Desktop MacOS with GPU assistance on a hackintosh ? NB: I need MacOS or Windows for Exasound drivers, so no Linux possible. MacOS is more stable and allows for hardware volume control through Roon, until I implement HQPlayer’s software volume. Jussi previously advised that HQP's software volume control sounds better than the hardware volume control of the exaSound's ESS Sabre chip. My experience concurs with that advice (and my hearing is less discerning than many others' here). As an alternative to a Hackintosh, I believe you can drive the exaSound with an old Mac running the HQP NAA and the exaSound driver, in which case the powerful computer running HQP Desktop could be Linux. alec_eiffel 1 HQPlayer (on 3.8 GHz 8-core i7 iMac 2020) > NAA (on 2012 Mac Mini i7) > RME ADI-2 v2 > Benchmark AHB-2 > Thiel 3.7 Link to comment
Outlaw Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 If using Windows do I need to download the hot fix version ? Link to comment
Miska Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Outlaw said: If using Windows do I need to download the hot fix version ? There's new build only for Linux, other platforms are not affected as the problem was in ALSA backend code. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Yviena Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 @Miska i know that volume needs to be at -3 or -4dB to prevent limiter/intersample peaks but can i lower the volume in the dac instead, and use 0dB in hqplayer instead? Link to comment
Miska Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 50 minutes ago, Yviena said: @Miska i know that volume needs to be at -3 or -4dB to prevent limiter/intersample peaks but can i lower the volume in the dac instead, and use 0dB in hqplayer instead? No, it is too late to do it at that point... Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
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