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Hello,

I've just recently bought Tord Gustavsen Trio album called The Ground from highresaudio.com website. Here are the plots, which to me looks really suspicious. What do you thing? They claimed that is ECM True Studio Master, however looks weird to me like added some noise above normal redbook frequency.

 

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Krzysztof Maj

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If you look more closely, the upper half of the spectrogram is a less intense mirror image of the lower half, indicating a 48 kHz source has been upsampled to 96 kHz with a very gentle roll-off.

 

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Which means that shouldn't be rather advertised as 24/96 right?

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Hello,

I just want to report that I've got excellent support from the guys from Highresaudio.com and they answered also that they're going to put this statement for The Ground album: "Digitally remastered from the original analog tapes". To me not so clear regarding the files resolution, but at least something to warn you :-/

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Krzysztof Maj

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If their understanding is correct, I don't really understand why we see a mirror image around 48kHz.

 

On the other hand, perhaps it is a remaster from an original DAT tape, which quite likely could have been recorded at 48 kHz.

 

I'm given to wonder if there's a communication breakdown somewhere... and the original tape was digital, but tacitly assumed to be analog.

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It sort of casts a bad light on other 24/96 ECM downloads...

I think it is more an issue of the age of the recording.

 

The new 1970s and 80s remasters are legit (see a separate thread on them), and releases from 2010 onwards usually are ok as well. The Ground was released in 2005, so recorded in 2004, where probably 24/96 mastering wasn't common yet. The hypothesis above of this being a DAT recording or 24/48 is not fully unfounded.

 

Again, you'd kind of hope an audiophile label like ECM would be transparent on provenance.

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I think it is more an issue of the age of the recording.

 

The Tord Gustavsen album in question was recorded in 2004, so it's not really an old recording.

 

24/96 and DSD recordings were already embraced by audiophile labels back in 1999. I'm surprised that ECM has still been using 48k DAT recorders in 2004...

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