Nice two-part talk on jitter by Ted Smith (PS Audio)

[Superdad]

For your enjoyment and thought:

PS Audio Presents Ted Smith on Jitter | AudioStream

 

Key points:

Jitter can be heard at far lower levels that most people claim;

Jitters effects on the perception of music can not be measured.

[mayhem13]

For your enjoyment and thought:

PS Audio Presents Ted Smith on Jitter | AudioStream

 

Key points:

Jitter can be heard at far lower levels that most people claim;

Jitters effects on the perception of music can not be measured.

 

How convenient for them! Lol

 

LOWER than most people claim?......so who heard it if most can't?

I gotta read this B.S.

[esldude]

For your enjoyment and thought:

PS Audio Presents Ted Smith on Jitter | AudioStream

 

Key points:

Jitter can be heard at far lower levels that most people claim;

Jitters effects on the perception of music can not be measured.

 

I am not saying everyone hears it, but I am saying I hear it, it matters. In regards to .2 picoseconds of jitter.

 

I am saying he can't hear it, and he can't prove it. Jitter effects the perception of music, but those effects cannot be measured. Yeah right. Heard that before. So now .2 picoseconds is clearly audible. So where does it end? At what level is it no longer audible? Why do we need atomic clocks for time keeping? Just play a continuous tone and let audiophiles inform you when it runs fast or slow. Oh that is right I forgot. We don't hear phase on sine wave, but on impulses we do. And I don't listen to sine waves. You just can't make this stuff up any weirder can you? :)

[mayhem13]

That's classic!!!! I almost peed myself. So what are drummers to do in the age of digital music they might be sensitized to timing errors caused by jitter. Who needs Comedy Central when us propeller heads can simply watch this guy on YouTube! Thanx Alex. This was almost as funny as Bad Grandpa which I watched last nite!

[esldude]

Man this guy needs a contract in Vegas. In part two.

 

Look see if people's toes a tapping. If it is then jitter is lower.

 

And we have been using this picosecond BS to measure it. We needed the toe taps per minutes measure. Far more accurate and telling.

 

Then after his touchy, feely, fuzzy description of how jitter sounds to him (I know I am feeling fuzzy), he proceeds to explain how there is amazing music on a CD. This little plastic disc. It sounds better if there is less jitter. And play the same music on an LP and it sounds better perhaps. Yeah, that is a knee slapper there. Low jitter sounds better, and LP's sound better well of course because they have better timing stability I suppose. :)

[esldude]

Key points:

Jitter can be heard at far lower levels that most people claim;

Jitters effects on the perception of music can not be measured.

 

Sure jitter can be measured, he tells you on the video, you look for toe tapping. No tapping high jitter. More tapping toes, lower jitter.

[mayhem13]

You can't make this stuff up!!!!LOL......he can, but you can't.....LOL hahahahahahaha ha..eh....eh......aaaaaaah hahahahahahaha..oooh...ohhhh.....yeahaaaahahahahaha.

[Superdad]

You guys can laugh and ridicule all you want, but maybe you should check Mr. Smith's credentials against your own first:

Ted Smith | LinkedIn

[esldude]

I can laugh based upon his video. His credentials don't make up for that. I did check the link though. His final entry in his background experience:

 

 

Researcher

my audio cave

 

March 2008 – Present (5 years 11 months)

 

I've designed and built my high end DAC and it sounds pretty darn good. It's time to find a partner to manufacture and market it.

 

The video looks like marketing to me. Maybe PS Audio is who he found.

[wdw]

Expected it but don't you two tire of this mean-spirited mockery?

WDW

[Booster MPS]

Somebody contributes a post with the best intentions in mind, and before two additional post can be made it already goes downhill. Guys, just for once, try not to be that guy.

[mayhem13]

Somebody contributes a post with the best intentions in mind, and before two additional post can be made it already goes downhill. Guys, just for once, try not to be that guy.

 

Did you watch the same video?

[esldude]

For your enjoyment and thought it said.

 

Well I sure did enjoy it. It was truly funny, and I take it Mayhem13 feels the same.

 

As for the thought, you can see what we thought of it. The statements in the video deserve just that level of thought.

 

It is not mean spirited, and it is only mockery in the comedic sense. The guy in the video is the one doing mockery. If he is coming out with product then it was mean spirited on his part.

[wdw]

For your enjoyment and thought it said.

 

Well I sure did enjoy it. It was truly funny, and I take it Mayhem13 feels the same.

 

As for the thought, you can see what we thought of it. The statements in the video deserve just that level of thought.

 

It is not mean spirited, and it is only mockery in the comedic sense. The guy in the video is the one doing mockery. If he is coming out with product then it was mean spirited on his part.

 

Why don't you guys just go back to pulling the wings off of insects.

[mayhem13]

You guys can laugh and ridicule all you want, but maybe you should check Mr. Smith's credentials against your own first:

Ted Smith | LinkedIn

 

Emmmm........ok........what is it that I'm looking for that makes his video presentation credible?

 

Look.....he's probobly a really nice guy that loves music and high end audio and sincerely wants to advance the hobby and his listening experience. Other than that......I can't possibly think why you or anyone wouldn't be skeptical of his musings.

[Jud]

I haven't seen the video. But check out his system (and how he ran his speaker cables!):

 

Inmate Picture Gallery

[mayhem13]

I haven't seen the video. But check out his system (and how he ran his speaker cables!):

 

Inmate Picture Gallery

 

His wife must have loved that!

[Melvin]

Apparently Mr. Smith has been with PS Audio for a while:

 

"Ted’s been working with us for a couple of years now. He was involved with the Mark II upgrade to the PWD and you’ll see more of the results of this collaboration soon enough."

 

Not a pretty feature | PS Audio

[christopher3393]

Thanks for the link, Melvin. I have to wonder: if the content of these videos is so utterly, uproariously ridiculous, why did Michael Lavorgna post them on his site? I don't think it was to mock them. He does state that the topic is controversial and ends his intro with"(duck and cover)", anticipating some negative response. But I suspect Michael thinks these videos merit an airing, and not as comedy. And does Paul McGowan lack credibility? I know some in the industry have been critical of some of his views, but I've had the impression that he is generally respected. Not so?

[esldude]

Thanks for the link, Melvin. I have to wonder: if the content of these videos is so utterly, uproariously ridiculous, why did Michael Lavorgna post them on his site? I don't think it was to mock them. He does state that the topic is controversial and ends his intro with"(duck and cover)", anticipating some negative response. But I suspect Michael thinks these videos merit an airing, and not as comedy. And does Paul McGowan lack credibility? I know some in the industry have been critical of some of his views, but I've had the impression that he is generally respected. Not so?

 

If he endorses or holds the views in that video, he lacks credibility. Now looking at Mr. Smith's background I doubt he is clueless on all this. I imagine he knows just which parts some of us find funny. I can only surmise he is letting loose, informally in the interview, and doing a bit of marketing as he does so. I think he could have been just a little more technically circumspect and done just about as well. The fact he seems to think that unnecessary is where he is actually mocking those who are listening to him uncritically. Those comments are also why the 'duck and cover' comment at the end. So is Lavorgna just figuring to post this up as a little controversy is good for business.? Is Mr. Smith figuring no publicity is bad publicity if they spell your name right?

 

Mr. Smith could hold the opinions he has and given an interview without so many laughable gaffs about digital. Anyone who knows much about it isn't fooled. Nor would they be impressed to pursue his products.

[alexwgoody]

Thanks for the link, Melvin. I have to wonder: if the content of these videos is so utterly, uproariously ridiculous, why did Michael Lavorgna post them on his site? I

 

Have you ever read Stereophile or their sister magazines? This isn't even the most ridiculous thing they've published! See the Shun Mook reviews.

 

The Shun Mook Affair JS page 2 | Stereophile.com

[Superdad]

 

While we're at it, who is this guy, what's his cv.

 

Ted Smith | LinkedIn

[mayhem13]

Ted Smith | LinkedIn

 

Three times the charm I'm told.

[Superdad]

Three times the charm I'm told.

 

What are you referring to?

a) I only posted the link to his LinkedIn page once before;

b) Diogenes must have been too busy looking at manhood-extending Patek wristwatch "complications" to read the thread, see the link, or use Google.

c) Maybe you think 7 times the charm, since that's the number of snarky, vacuous posts you have already made in this thread.

[mayhem13]

What are you referring to?

a) I only posted the link to his LinkedIn page once before;

b) Diogenes must have been too busy looking at manhood-extending Patek wristwatch "complications" to read the thread, see the link, or use Google.

c) Maybe you think 7 times the charm, since that's the number of snarky, vacuous posts you have already made in this thread.

 

Correct...I acknowledge that you posted it twice......which means you really wanted to,get your point across....which implies that if you were to post it one more time, someone might agree with your support of his pedigree. Not snarky, just an accurate assesment with a prediction of a likely outcome. A bit subjective....objective blend. Fair enough?