Mike48 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Chris, I especially enjoyed the the introduction of your review, talking about how things don't always work in network audio. The gotchas that exist in products from reputable companies are discouraging (I own one such product). Audiophiles are paying thousands of dollars for gear that, though it sounds great under many circumstances, has serious bugs -- and the manufacturers are dragging their feet about fixing them. So in my mind, this issue can't be emphasized too strongly. That's not to say your impressions of the Lumin's sound weren't also quite informative. If I were looking for a DAC and network player, I'd put it on top of my list. Link to comment
PeteS Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 .....just my 2-cents on the subject player...i have had mine for about 4-5 months. it replaced a PS Audio PWD MKII. to my ears..it is everything and more that is detailed in the review. it couldn't be more user friendly. i use 'MinimServer' through my imac and use 'Kinsky' as my ipad app to controll it. i have had no gliches with it and sonically it is superb.the '$7200' is a relative price. i was fortunate to buy it at a price less than the $7200 currently being quoted but given its superb design and workmanship and its great sound and the fact that it does 'DSD' makes it a no brainer even at its current price.Thanks for the great review of a truly great product.. How do you describe Lumin's sound against PWD MKII? Link to comment
calloway Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 How do you describe Lumin's sound against PWD MKII? the Lumin is much more analogue sounding than the PWD...transients are quicker with more punch. depth and width of soundstage is better.there is a more natural sound to the music .AND..it does DSD..also..MINIM..which is what i use as a server is superb and the Kinsky app is light years ahead of Elyric....you can easily create playlists and play as many tracks as you want with one touch of the Kinsky screen.Life is great and my music is a huge part of it now.. Link to comment
PeteS Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 the Lumin is much more analogue sounding than the PWD...transients are quicker with more punch. depth and width of soundstage is better.there is a more natural sound to the music .AND..it does DSD..also..MINIM..which is what i use as a server is superb and the Kinsky app is light years ahead of Elyric....you can easily create playlists and play as many tracks as you want with one touch of the Kinsky screen.Life is great and my music is a huge part of it now.. Thank you for description! That's impressive because PWD MKII sounded real good to me. Link to comment
Audio_ELF Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Linn developed "AV extensions" on top of the UPnP / DLNA, to deal with gapless...Not sure if this are protected by any copyright... Linn's AV Extensions are all open source so others can use them without any license. There have been accusations of LUMIN copying Linn's designs but there is no real evidence of this beyond shared parts (Wolfson DACs primarily). Eloise --- ...in my opinion / experience... While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing. And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism. keep your mind open... But mind your brain doesn't fall out. Link to comment
MikeJazz Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Linn's AV Extensions are all open source so others can use them without any license. There have been accusations of LUMIN copying Linn's designs but there is no real evidence of this beyond shared parts (Wolfson DACs primarily). Strange that PS Audio never used the Linn's AV Extensions to implement it's gapless. Their customers would have appreciated... If there were no royalties to pay, I wonder what stopped them... http://www.computeraudiophile.com/members/mikejazz/ funded this campain: http://igg.me/at/geekpulseaudio/x/5216671 Link to comment
ChrisG Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Strange that PS Audio never used the Linn's AV Extensions to implement it's gapless. Their customers would have appreciated...If there were no royalties to pay, I wonder what stopped them... It's been a long time since I had my PWD, but I was a beta tester for the Bridge (which is their streamer that plugs into the PWD) and, frankly, I don't think Paul McGowan or the folks at PS Audio realized there was a thing called gapless playback when it was designed, so why use the extensions? Consequently, it wasn't designed with a large enough buffer (256MB). So when folks like myself started saying "WTF, what's with the gaps?" they couldn't do anything about it. If interested, you can find endless discussions on the PSA forums about when are we going to get gapless playback and endless promises from PSA that it will be coming soon. I think they are still promising a solution using software running on a PC or MAC. For me, this was a deal breaker and I switched to Linn. Couldn't be happier. ChrisG Bend, OR Link to comment
Mike Gillespie Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Pixel Magic is based in Hong Kong and many Hong Kong CAS audiophiles have been using Lumin for many months already.Some of them have itchy hands. Tweaking Lumin's powersupply unit can achieve significant sonic improvement. For example, here is the most popular source of improved linear powersupply for Lumin (#9; #18; #22; #23) : 訂製å„é¡žåž‹Audiophile Linear Power Supply - 第2é* - 全新音響器æè²·è³£å€ - Hiendy.com 影音俱樂部 - Powered by Discuz! CKKeung... How does one reach Kenneth Lau for his Lumin LPS? The link is to a website that is in Chinese with not enough English (for me) to send a message? Thanks. MG555 Link to comment
Audio_ELF Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 I've just noticed the photos - I assume they are stock photos provided by Lumin ... Where DID they get The Beatles in 24/192 :-) Eloise Eloise --- ...in my opinion / experience... While I agree "Everything may matter" working out what actually affects the sound is a trickier thing. And I agree "Trust your ears" but equally don't allow them to fool you - trust them with a bit of skepticism. keep your mind open... But mind your brain doesn't fall out. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share Posted September 22, 2013 I've just noticed the photos - I assume they are stock photos provided by Lumin ... Where DID they get The Beatles in 24/192 :-) Eloise 24/192 vinyl rip. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Mike48 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Chris, I enjoyed the review. As the owner of one audiophile unit that won't do gapless, I'm glad that you are one critic who is emphasizing that now. The latest issue I've become aware of is whether a network player can seek within a track or not. Some that cannot will also not accept Pause and Play commands in sequence without starting a track over. Both are a minor inconvenience with pop music, a big deal with Classical -- especially with older CDs that might have an entire work in a track and rely on index points (universally non-implemented in any modern player, network or disk) for finer control. The first time you need to seek within a network-streamed track and find you can't, you realize that it's a feature long taken for granted in CDs and just beginning to be implemented in network players. Mike-48 Link to comment
Ole Connor Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 With the new Lumin Firmware and App, there is a symbol to use the WebRadio option. In my app, i got the problem that i cant' activate the web radio. Into setting i can't type in login data for tunein Radio account. Does someone have a solution? Link to comment
thingswelike Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Is your iPad connected to the internet (as well as your wi-fi network)? That's the only time mine doesn't give access. When you tap and hold an album, does it give little 'i' icons so that you can look at last.fm album information? If the 'i' doesn't appear next to the album title, then the LUMIN app doesn't think your connected to the internet. Associated with LUMIN - The Audiophile Network Music Player. Link to comment
Ole Connor Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 The Internet connection is there, and the lastfm album information works. But the webradio symbol right from the folder navigation icon doesn't work. Screen keeps empty. Under settings, options, i'm asked to put in my tunein webradio login data. This login data is not saved and usable. Why? https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A1G4TcsmGK4zjf;E8BAAE49-41AF-42BC-BFC1-045519C1D503 Link to comment
thingswelike Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Hi Ole Have you got the very latest version of the app? Try that and then try an 'Update Library' while connected to your normal music library. Is 'Ole' the unique tunein radio username? If you're on the old version and want to remain on it, then you can try setting the iPad's "Region Format" (Settings->General->International->Region Format) to either United Kingdom or United States. That has helped users on the previous version, but shouldn't be required on the latest. Associated with LUMIN - The Audiophile Network Music Player. Link to comment
Perfect sense Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 "In the not to distant future these USB ports will be usable for direct attached USB drive playback (USB flash drive, SSD, HDD)." Do the Lumins offer direct USB connectivity at this point in time? I can't find any documentation regarding this issue. Thanks. PERFECT SENSE www.perfect-sense.se Showroom in Stockholm, Sweden | [email protected] | 08 518 368 00 | Follow us on Facebook Link to comment
SoundQcar Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 "In the not to distant future these USB ports will be usable for direct attached USB drive playback (USB flash drive, SSD, HDD)." Do the Lumins offer direct USB connectivity at this point in time? I can't find any documentation regarding this issue. Thanks. Yes. That is how I am using my A1, currently. Couldn't be easier. Plug in the drive, power it up, and your drive will show up as a source on the Lumin app. Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not." — Nelson Pass Link to comment
Distinctive Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 "In the not to distant future these USB ports will be usable for direct attached USB drive playback (USB flash drive, SSD, HDD)." Do the Lumins offer direct USB connectivity at this point in time? I can't find any documentation regarding this issue. Thanks. It has just been implemented in the latest firmware. Link to comment
Perfect sense Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Thanks guys - great news. PERFECT SENSE www.perfect-sense.se Showroom in Stockholm, Sweden | [email protected] | 08 518 368 00 | Follow us on Facebook Link to comment
thingswelike Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 It has just been implemented in the latest firmware. The LUMIN USB Server has been available since October last year. It's a full UPnP server that lives on LUMIN, so if you connect a USB drive to LUMIN, you can also browse the music on other devices on your network (another LUMIN for example). The latest firmware simply included the ability to connect LUMIN L1 via USB (which would work in the same way as any other USB disk). See this Facebook post for a little info on disk formats, etc: Associated with LUMIN - The Audiophile Network Music Player. Link to comment
Distinctive Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The LUMIN USB Server has been available since October last year. It's a full UPnP server that lives on LUMIN, so if you connect a USB drive to LUMIN, you can also browse the music on other devices on your network (another LUMIN for example). The latest firmware simply included the ability to connect LUMIN L1 via USB (which would work in the same way as any other USB disk). See this Facebook post for a little info on disk formats, etc: Thanks for the clarification, thingswelike. My answer was too ambiguous. Link to comment
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