pipis2010 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Yep, using this version which is dated 25th Feb. daphile-16.02-b251721-x86_64-rt Was the same with the first beta that had the extra up-sampling options. Any particular reason why you're using rt instead of normal kernel? Have you heard any sq improvements? Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile mobile app Link to comment
Possum Jenkins Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Any particular reason why you're using rt instead of normal kernel? Have you heard any sq improvements? Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile mobile app Not used any of the other builds so couldn't say if it's any better than those. From the brief reading I did it seemed that rt helps reduce latency for audio, it seemed a no brainer to use that one. Link to comment
mansr Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Yep, using this version which is dated 25th Feb. daphile-16.02-b251721-x86_64-rt Was the same with the first beta that had the extra up-sampling options. What settings are you using, particularly noise shaping filter and resampling attenuation? Link to comment
mansr Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Not used any of the other builds so couldn't say if it's any better than those. From the brief reading I did it seemed that rt helps reduce latency for audio, it seemed a no brainer to use that one. The RT kernel has lower maximum latency in some situations, but it also has higher overhead. There is generally no reason to use it for audio playback. There should also be no difference in sound quality as long as neither setup suffers dropouts. Link to comment
pipis2010 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I still have thumps every time I change tracks or leave them to play gaplessly with the latest beta daphile and native DSD128... I sent a message to Kimmo on Facebook, let's see... Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile mobile app Link to comment
mansr Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I still have thumps every time I change tracks or leave them to play gaplessly with the latest beta daphile and native DSD128... I sent a message to Kimmo on Facebook, let's see... I'm pretty certain of the cause. Hopefully we'll have a fix before too long. Link to comment
lmitche Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Mansr - what is your hypothesis on the cause of the thumps? I have the same issue here on native DSD playback changing into DSD 128 and 256 on audiolinux(archlinux). Pareto Audio aka nuckleheadaudio Link to comment
thyristor44 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Hello How do I get Daphile to scan for upnp servers. thanks thyristor44 Link to comment
Possum Jenkins Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 What settings are you using, particularly noise shaping filter and resampling attenuation? Noise shaping is currently at High (tried the others and same thing), attenuation is -6db. Link to comment
mansr Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Noise shaping is currently at High (tried the others and same thing), attenuation is -6db. That's strange. Does it happen with all long files? At the same point in all files? Link to comment
Possum Jenkins Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 That's strange. Does it happen with all long files? At the same point in all files? Yes it's quite consistent. I have a hunch now too. To unlock the DSD128 option the max sample rate has to be set to 352800 it seems, well my DACs max PCM rate is 192000 but it will quite happily play DSD128 (dop) from Daphile or any other player capable of it. Is this something to do with it? It cuts at about 16:54 in songs over that length which to be honest are not that numerous in my library. I got this from the squeezelite log, it might help, this was for a 24:31 minute track. [23:21:47.141998] _check_header:77 WAVE [23:21:47.142038] _check_header:101 header: fmt len: 40 [23:21:47.142046] _check_header:129 pcm size: 3 rate: 352800 chan: 2 bigendian: 0 [23:21:47.142053] _check_header:101 header: fact len: 4 [23:21:47.142058] _check_header:101 header: data len: 2147479548 [23:21:47.142063] _check_header:107 audio size: 2147479548 [23:21:47.142069] pcm_decode:198 setting track_start [23:21:47.142075] resample_newstream:231 disable resampling - rates match [23:21:47.142080] process_newstream:123 processing: inactive [23:21:47.142086] pcm_decode:208 file contains DOP [23:21:47.272280] _output_frames:61 start buffer frames: 97608 [23:21:47.272319] _output_frames:146 track start sample rate: 352800 replay_gain: 0 [23:38:40.354734] pcm_decode:251 reached end of audio [23:38:40.354775] decode_thread:99 decode complete Link to comment
kipeta Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 Yes it's quite consistent. I have a hunch now too. To unlock the DSD128 option the max sample rate has to be set to 352800 it seems, well my DACs max PCM rate is 192000 but it will quite happily play DSD128 (dop) from Daphile or any other player capable of it. Is this something to do with it? It cuts at about 16:54 in songs over that length which to be honest are not that numerous in my library. I got this from the squeezelite log, it might help, this was for a 24:31 minute track. [23:21:47.141998] _check_header:77 WAVE [23:21:47.142038] _check_header:101 header: fmt len: 40 [23:21:47.142046] _check_header:129 pcm size: 3 rate: 352800 chan: 2 bigendian: 0 [23:21:47.142053] _check_header:101 header: fact len: 4 [23:21:47.142058] _check_header:101 header: data len: 2147479548 [23:21:47.142063] _check_header:107 audio size: 2147479548 [23:21:47.142069] pcm_decode:198 setting track_start [23:21:47.142075] resample_newstream:231 disable resampling - rates match [23:21:47.142080] process_newstream:123 processing: inactive [23:21:47.142086] pcm_decode:208 file contains DOP [23:21:47.272280] _output_frames:61 start buffer frames: 97608 [23:21:47.272319] _output_frames:146 track start sample rate: 352800 replay_gain: 0 [23:38:40.354734] pcm_decode:251 reached end of audio [23:38:40.354775] decode_thread:99 decode complete This problem is not related to mansr's DSD conversion implementation at all. I noticed that it happens also when converting to DSD64 but at about 33:46 (i.e. double time compared to DSD128 conversion). AND it happens even when upsampled to PCM. If upsampling is to PCM 176.4kHz which corresponds DSD64 DoP, the stop happens at exact same time. So it's depending on output sample count. I'll have to analyze it more... Link to comment
mansr Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Yes it's quite consistent. I have a hunch now too. To unlock the DSD128 option the max sample rate has to be set to 352800 it seems, well my DACs max PCM rate is 192000 but it will quite happily play DSD128 (dop) from Daphile or any other player capable of it. Is this something to do with it? It cuts at about 16:54 in songs over that length which to be honest are not that numerous in my library. I got this from the squeezelite log, it might help, this was for a 24:31 minute track. [23:21:47.141998] _check_header:77 WAVE [23:21:47.142038] _check_header:101 header: fmt len: 40 [23:21:47.142046] _check_header:129 pcm size: 3 rate: 352800 chan: 2 bigendian: 0 [23:21:47.142053] _check_header:101 header: fact len: 4 [23:21:47.142058] _check_header:101 header: data len: 2147479548 [23:21:47.142063] _check_header:107 audio size: 2147479548 [23:21:47.142069] pcm_decode:198 setting track_start [23:21:47.142075] resample_newstream:231 disable resampling - rates match [23:21:47.142080] process_newstream:123 processing: inactive [23:21:47.142086] pcm_decode:208 file contains DOP [23:21:47.272280] _output_frames:61 start buffer frames: 97608 [23:21:47.272319] _output_frames:146 track start sample rate: 352800 replay_gain: 0 [23:38:40.354734] pcm_decode:251 reached end of audio [23:38:40.354775] decode_thread:99 decode complete This explains everything. Daphile apparently uses WAV format to transport DoP data from sox to the squeezelite backend, and this is limited to 2^31 bytes in size. At 352.8 kHz, 24-bit stereo this comes out to just under 17 minutes. The solution is to tell the backend, if possible, to ignore the size field and keep reading until end of file, or to use a different format. Kimmo should know better what's viable. Link to comment
Possum Jenkins Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 This explains everything. Daphile apparently uses WAV format to transport DoP data from sox to the squeezelite backend, and this is limited to 2^31 bytes in size. At 352.8 kHz, 24-bit stereo this comes out to just under 17 minutes. The solution is to tell the backend, if possible, to ignore the size field and keep reading until end of file, or to use a different format. Kimmo should know better what's viable. Glad it helped. Thanks to you and thanks to Kimmo again for the great work on Daphile, it is very much appreciated. Link to comment
kipeta Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 Glad it helped. Thanks to you and thanks to Kimmo again for the great work on Daphile, it is very much appreciated. There is now a new beta that should fix the problem. It should also fix the problem of the "clicks/noise" between tracks when converted to DSD with Native DSD support. Link to comment
mm67 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 There is now a new beta that should fix the problem. It should also fix the problem of the "clicks/noise" between tracks when converted to DSD with Native DSD support. Native mode is now working without extra noises between tracks at least on Ifi iDSD Nano in DSD256 mode but there is still a small gap between tracks on gapless albums like Dark side of the moon. Link to comment
Possum Jenkins Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 There is now a new beta that should fix the problem. It should also fix the problem of the "clicks/noise" between tracks when converted to DSD with Native DSD support. It has solved the issue, played through a couple of long tracks and all is good. Thank you for your continued development of Daphile Link to comment
kipeta Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 Native mode is now working without extra noises between tracks at least on Ifi iDSD Nano in DSD256 mode but there is still a small gap between tracks on gapless albums like Dark side of the moon. Do you hear the gap also with DSD64 and DSD128? Link to comment
pipis2010 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Native mode is now working without extra noises between tracks at least on Ifi iDSD Nano in DSD256 mode but there is still a small gap between tracks on gapless albums like Dark side of the moon. Can I ask, what sort of computer do you use to listen to DSD256? I also have an ifi nano dsd, but with my Athlon 5350 2.05GHz, I get constant stuttering, which makes it not powerful enough... Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile mobile app Link to comment
mm67 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Do you hear the gap also with DSD64 and DSD128? Yes, it might be a bit shorter on lower bitrates but it's always there. In DoP mode gap seems to be even shorter but I can still hear it. Can I ask, what sort of computer do you use to listen to DSD256? I also have an ifi nano dsd, but with my Athlon 5350 2.05GHz, I get constant stuttering, which makes it not powerful enough... Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile mobile app It's an Ivy Bridge i3 cpu but I can't check exact model since that system is running in headless mode and ssh connection doesn't seem to work with latest beta Link to comment
ccklone Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Deleted - - Finest kind, Chris Link to comment
Brubacca Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 When I am using Daphile direct to a DAC it works really well. I have also been trying to stream from it with a DNLA device. I keep on getting All Artists. How can I change this to serving up Album Artist? I have searched through the settings and can't find this. On my DNLA device I get like 1000 artists, but Album Artists gives me like 300. For example I have the Lionel Ritchie Tuskegee Album. It isan album of duets with other artists. Tnis emds up being one artist when looking at album artists. It ends up being like 13 artists (one foreach song) when looking at All Artists. anyone else seen this? Any clue how to fix it? Link to comment
ds.kudrin Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Hello. I have the device - NaimNet NS02. It`s a music streaming server based on Windows XP Embedded. Some time ago PSU of this devise became dead causing dead of system HDD. I decided to reanimate and convert this device into music server based on Linux. I replaced PSU and HDD, then Daphile was installed. The device starts, can be accessed via ethernet, see my music library on NAS. On the settigs page I can see 4 audio devices (as much as NS02 has analog audio outputs) defined as Audiotrak Prodigy 7.1 HiFi. But! I have no sound. I checked and unchecked every box in mixer control - no effect. Any suggestions what to do? Link to comment
pipis2010 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Hello.I have the device - NaimNet NS02. It`s a music streaming server based on Windows XP Embedded. Some time ago PSU of this devise became dead causing dead of system HDD. I decided to reanimate and convert this device into music server based on Linux. I replaced PSU and HDD, then Daphile was installed. The device starts, can be accessed via ethernet, see my music library on NAS. On the settigs page I can see 4 audio devices (as much as NS02 has analog audio outputs) defined as Audiotrak Prodigy 7.1 HiFi. But! I have no sound. I checked and unchecked every box in mixer control - no effect. Any suggestions what to do? Better contact Kimmo, either on the Daphile facebook page or directly via the contact form at the website. Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile mobile app Link to comment
Core32 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 On the settigs page I can see 4 audio devices (as much as NS02 has analog audio outputs) defined as Audiotrak Prodigy 7.1 HiFi.But! I have no sound. I checked and unchecked every box in mixer control - no effect. Any suggestions what to do? Be sure and only enable ONE of the listed devices, probably the first in the list, and also completely DISABLE the other 3 in the GUI. I had trouble when I enabled more than one device at a time. (USB/HDMI/Analog/etc.) Link to comment
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