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37 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

This is correct. When a system is set up with good quality components, but there hasn't been care in sorting out all the aspects - which you can call matching if you like - then the remaining replay distortion is very noticeable - people like to call this, "signature" 😀. These anomalies are usually of a type which are heavily influenced by the qualities of the cables used - the latter act as effects units, by moderating the levels and spectrum of the audible playback distortions, and can be endlessly played with; in the belief that they are improving the system - whereas it really is an exercise of going in circles ...

 

Conversely, when a setup is highly optimised then the character of the recording itself dominates - it sets the agenda for what you hear. At this point the value of of fiddling with cables is negligible - the conductors, construction and shielding are doing what they are supposed to do; transfer signals from one point in the overall circuit to another - and nothing else.

Oh no, not another one. Why even bother coming to this forum?

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16 minutes ago, jon2020 said:

Oh no, not another one. Why even bother coming to this forum?

 

The question is, what you want to listen to: the sound of your system components, or the sound that's on the recordings - for some strange reason for a few, perhaps even a tiny few, the latter is preferable ... 😛.

 

The next step: if you want not to hear any distortion characteristics of your rig, then how do you go about it ... ? That is the difficult exercise in this game, which can become an all consuming activity for those who venture down this particular rabbit hole.

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For myself, 20% guidelines on cables ... power, speaker, interconnects, including usb etc.

 

Usd750 for a usd2k media player as source in addition to a usb500 power cable is ahem but hey, your wallet 👌👍

 

Do I heard difference when usb cables are swapped ? For sure.

 

Better ? Depends.

 

Matching ? Absolutely 

 

Personal preference ? Absolutely

 

Pay more for better sound quality ?  Typically

 

Highend ? Nay, no end

 

Cheers.

 

Richard

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@manueljenkinI have used the Lush^3 USB cables, and I liked them. I changed the shield configuration a few times, and I did hear some differences in detail, but I'm not one to constantly change things like that, so I left it in the last configuration for the remainder of its time. 
 

I actually had two of them: into and out of a Phoenix USB "reclocker." I recently sold both cables and the Phoenix---only due to adding some new gear. I liked that stuff very much. Excellent detail.
 

Here is my only cautionary advice: they are very stiff, due to the multiple shield construction. I consider this a characteristic, not a fault, but when integrating them into your system, please consider that point. And 40 cm is shorrrrrt! 
 

Regarding your actual question of comparison, I currently have a Straightwire USB in place, and it sounds good. No obvious degradation from the Lush.

 

I just recently removed an unshielded TWL cable as I heard a very high-pitched whine at times, going directly into the Dave. Different cable, no whine.
 

I plan to check some Shunyata options, but have not yet done so. IMO Shunyata cables are very good and well made. Good Luck!

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7 hours ago, fas42 said:

 

The question is, what you want to listen to: the sound of your system components, or the sound that's on the recordings - for some strange reason for a few, perhaps even a tiny few, the latter is preferable ... 😛.

 

The next step: if you want not to hear any distortion characteristics of your rig, then how do you go about it ... ? That is the difficult exercise in this game, which can become an all consuming activity for those who venture down this particular rabbit hole.

 

the true honest audiophile is listening to music on their expensive audio equipment and trying to get a more intimate experience of the artistry of the musicians.

 

As with any hobby there are plenty of charlatans who buy expensive audio equipment because they can and then listen to vapid pop or the same few tracks because it sounds spectacular and loud. Honest audiophiles thank these folks for helping keep the high end companies alive :-).

 

This same happens with wine where there are plenty of wine snobs who couldn't tell the difference between boxed wine and some fine wine but are wealthy enough to spend insane amounts of money on wines that others report are great. Honest wine lovers probably hate them for jacking up prices.

 

Same for cars, food, or pretty much any hobby venue.

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15 minutes ago, xyzzy1 said:

 

Not at all true in my experience, good audio components of any combination reveals differences in cables.

The better the audio components are the more pronounced are differences that can be heard between cables by a careful well seasoned listener.

 

Of course, an experienced listener will be able to catch the difference between the cables on a well-matched audio system. However, that's not what I was talking about. A well-matched system is not as critical of different cables, whereas on a system with poorly matched components, different cables can create the illusion of certain improvement. 

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5 hours ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

Again, if the system is right, even the "poor" recordings, such as pre-war archive rarities may sound surprisingly well and lively.

I agree with you on this from my personal experience. I have an audiophile friend who loves music from the 30's 40's. Listening to 78's and older 33's on his high end system can reveal a lot of the artistry and gestalt of the musicians that comes through all the crackling and limited bandwidth.

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6 minutes ago, xyzzy1 said:

I agree with you on this from my personal experience. I have an audiophile friend who loves music from the 30's 40's. Listening to 78's and older 33's on his high end system can reveal a lot of the artistry and gestalt of the musicians that comes through all the crackling and limited bandwidth.

 

I love old records, in many cases they are more valuable to me than what is being done in this century. And therefore an audio set that allows to forget about the shortcomings of an archive recording and allows to experience strong emotions would be preferable for me. We are here for the music, after all, aren't we?

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@manueljenkin et al: To up the ante on this discussion a bit, I just finished a USB test using Shunyata's Omega USB.
 

I had a very limited opportunity to borrow one for a demo. This is a $3,500.00 USB cable (plus 5K retainer for the divorce attorney), so stop reading now or grab your air-distress bag if you get queasy during take-off and landing. 

I listened in two systems (actually, I'm still listening at home), one a friend's Benchmark Audio system on Monitor Audio speakers, and my own.

 

In both systems, adding the cable yielded an audible change. IMO it was also a net-positive change. My friend agrees about his system (he did not hear mine).
 

More separation among instruments. More momentum and drive to the music. Increased liveliness. Very nice.

Time to rewatch Ocean's 11 for tips on planning a casino heist. <Joke>

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16 minutes ago, MarkusBarkus said:

This is a $3,500.00 USB cable (plus 5K retainer for the divorce attorney), so stop reading now or grab your air-distress bag if you get queasy during take-off and landing. ....  

Time to rewatch Ocean's 11 for tips on planning a casino heist. 

 

LOL! x-D

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If you don’t want to buy don’t audition. 
Once I have someone in my system I like I just have to buy. So I’m staying away from Shunyata. Not that I don’t think they make great cables! 

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14 hours ago, jon2020 said:

Oh no, not another one. Why even bother coming to this forum?

Because it is an open discussion, we all have our opinions (you and I included) and both are completely valid

 

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Just now, sgr said:

I’ve never understood why those that don’t think cables sound different (or any other component) have to react negatively to what others at least believe they hear. 
 

Nor do I understand why the believers have to try to persuade unbelievers. 
 

And why insisting on coming to a forum and interrupt others’ conversations when the discussion does not pertain to belief or unbelief. 
 

Now if the topic is”Do cables make a difference in a system?” Then that’s open to all.

 

I’ve read about many things I scratch m head and wonder about. But I’m never going to tell someone they don’t hear what they say they do. 

 

I agree 100%

 

 

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2 hours ago, MarkusBarkus said:

@manueljenkin et al: To up the ante on this discussion a bit, I just finished a USB test using Shunyata's Omega USB.
 

I had a very limited opportunity to borrow one for a demo. This is a $3,500.00 USB cable (plus 5K retainer for the divorce attorney), so stop reading now or grab your air-distress bag if you get queasy during take-off and landing. 

I listened in two systems (actually, I'm still listening at home), one a friend's Benchmark Audio system on Monitor Audio speakers, and my own.

 

In both systems, adding the cable yielded an audible change. IMO it was also a net-positive change. My friend agrees about his system (he did not hear mine).
 

More separation among instruments. More momentum and drive to the music. Increased liveliness. Very nice.

Time to rewatch Ocean's 11 for tips on planning a casino heist. <Joke>

Lol x2   🤭

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27 minutes ago, sgr said:

I’ve never understood why those that don’t think cables sound different (or any other component) have to react negatively to what others at least believe they hear. 
 

Nor do I understand why the believers have to try to persuade unbelievers. 
 

And why insisting on coming to a forum and interrupt others’ conversations when the discussion does not pertain to belief or unbelief. 
 

Now if the topic is”Do cables make a difference in a system?” Then that’s open to all.

 

I’ve read about many things I scratch m head and wonder about. But I’m never going to tell someone they don’t hear what they say they do. 

 

It is usually more like non-believers trying to persuade believers.

Believers don't go around forums trying to persuade non-believers. :)

Jon

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I have recently added the Shunyata Delta Ethernet cable into my system (from EtherRegen to Aurender music server/streamer) with incredible results/ increase in sound quality. Perhaps give the Shunyata Delta USB cable a try? I have read that Grant (their head of sales) believes that the Delta line is the “sweetsop” within their lines between value vs. benefit. 
I auditioned a bunch of USB cables in my system a couple of years ago and the one I decided was the best and purchased was the Cardas Highspeed 3.0 USB cable. 
It is a split cable design (like several others) where the power and data are Y split using Independant cables for each. The standard configuration has the two cables joined at each end into one plug on each side. 
I had Cardas build be a custom one that is truly Y split, so the two cables are in one plug at one end, and Y split to an independent Power and Data plug each with there own plug on the other end. I feed the power only cable with clean LPSU 5V and it is an outstanding solution and great SQ in my system. 
I think I paid Cardas around $450 for a 0.7M fully customized arranged through the dealer The Cable Company (but I’m sure they would do the same through any dealer and maybe even direct). 

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2 hours ago, luisma said:

Because it is an open discussion, we all have our opinions (you and I included) and both are completely valid

 

Not when the opinion comes from someone with no experience.

 

That is the consistent theme for the audio cable, et al naysayers....   no experience listening to any high end audio.

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9 hours ago, xyzzy1 said:

 

the true honest audiophile is listening to music on their expensive audio equipment and trying to get a more intimate experience of the artistry of the musicians.

 

Which is slightly different from what I aim for - if you're trying to 'understand' what the musicians are doing, and want to focus very strongly on how they are going about their craft, then it is fair game to distort what you hear - let's say a drummer listens to a track with the intention of picking up precisely what his fellow musician is doing; to do this he may play with DSP to mold the sound, so that the drum kit instruments cut through better - he doesn't want to hear 'accurate' sound; he wants to hear more intensely what he really wants to hear.

 

Personally, I just want to hear what's on the record - get that spot on, and the result is immensely satisfying, IME. Then 'enhancing' the sound for extra oomph is a step that can be taken next, if it really seems worthwhile for a particular recording, is how I see it.

 

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As with any hobby there are plenty of charlatans who buy expensive audio equipment because they can and then listen to vapid pop or the same few tracks because it sounds spectacular and loud. Honest audiophiles thank these folks for helping keep the high end companies alive :-).

 

There is always status in expensive stuff, which usually has the looks to make the impact ... but in audio, that has little chance of guaranteeing an excellent standard of performance ...

 

 

Frank

 

http://artofaudioconjuring.blogspot.com/

 

 

Over and out.

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6 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

 

Personally, I just want to hear what's on the record - get that spot on, and the result is immensely satisfying, IME. Then 'enhancing' the sound for extra oomph is a step that can be taken next, if it really seems worthwhile for a particular recording, is how I see it.

 

 

There is always status in expensive stuff, which usually has the looks to make the impact ... but in audio, that has little chance of guaranteeing an excellent standard of performance

 

Believe wishful thinking on listening to what is recorded ..  every designer of components, including usb cable, in the audio chain have their take on what is should sound when recorded.

 

Indeed but those will not survive for long and there are plenty of brand of expensive stuff that had been around for a long time ... let's not kid ourselves on gettinng cheap and great but only VFM. Having engineering solutions is not cheap and someone has to pay.

 

Cheers.

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