Popular Post davehg Posted April 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2021 I finally took Peter’s recommendation on moving from my Sbooster powered D2 to a stock T2. The T2 is currently on endless loop playback to burn in, but in just the first few days I could hear it was a distinct improvement. I A/B’d a stock D2 against a stock T2 and it was no contest - the T2 had quite significant improvements. My dealer offered a generous trade in on the D2, so it was a no-brainer. I thought about keeping the Sbooster to try on the T2, but what I was hearing with the stock PS was plenty food, so for now I’m staying stock (plus nice to leave a new unit unmodified. I’ve done a significant system upgrade the past year, moving to DeVore Nines, a gorgeous Leben CS600x, and a Manley Chinook and Hana SL combo for my VPI Prime. The D2, as good as it was, was outclassed and swapping the T2 in, the digital can now keep pace. wklie, sonodynesrp205 and thingswelike 3 Headphones: Audeze LCD-3 / Focal Clear/ Sennheiser HD650 Speakers: Devore Fidelity O/96 and Graham Chartwell LS3/5a Amps: Leben CS600x / Bottlehead 300b amp and 300b preamp custom Digital: Lumin X1 and T2 / A&K 120 I DAP Cables: Foundation Research LC1/2 and Cardas Golden Reference AC, Acoustic Zen Absolute, Silver Ref. II and Cardas Clear and Light ICs Link to comment
berghoffer Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Is there a way to (1) use two outputs of a Lumin player, like two analogues, two digitals or one analogue and one digital, simoultaneously at the sime time by connecting two amps, two dacs or one amp and one dac and (2) set one of the outputs as variable (volume controlled) and the other one as fixed? Thank you, in advance. Link to comment
wklie Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 2. No. 1. Simultaneous two analog outputs: Lumin T2 / D2 / D1 only (be careful of ground loop) Two non-USB digital outputs AES / BNC / coaxial / toslink : Lumin U1 / U1 MINI only One analog + one digital: D2 / S1 / A1 / T1 / D1 for PCM output only Peter Lie LUMIN Firmware Lead Link to comment
Ropet Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 20 hours ago, wklie said: Two non-USB digital outputs AES / BNC / coaxial / toslink : Lumin U1 / U1 MINI only How about one USB connections to dac A and one to dac B when only one dac operates (switched on) at the time? Link to comment
wklie Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Ropet said: How about one USB connections to dac A and one to dac B when only one dac operates (switched on) at the time? It works if and only if DAC A behaves as USB cable being disconnected when powered off. This is often not true. Peter Lie LUMIN Firmware Lead Link to comment
tubegem Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 9:37 PM, wklie said: @tubegem Spotify HiFi is not yet launched. Based on public news, it'll be some time later in 2021, and the pricing is unknown. We are working to update our Spotify Connect implementation such that HiFi will be supported when needed. At this time the best you can get is 320kbps, no matter what device you use, see here: https://support.spotify.com/us/article/high-quality-streaming/ @alandbush This is not applicable to Lumin hardware. Lumin Spotify Connect implementation does not allow a lower-than-best quality to be chosen at all. This is to prevent an accidental misconfiguration causing a lower-than-best quality to be obtained. Hi Peter Thank you for the clarification. Link to comment
chungjh Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Hi Peter Is there any problem with placing Mutec 10 clock upstream of Lumin X1? Link to comment
wklie Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 None of the current Lumin models support clock input. Peter Lie LUMIN Firmware Lead Link to comment
berghoffer Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 4/10/2021 at 1:22 PM, wklie said: 2. No. 1. Simultaneous two analog outputs: Lumin T2 / D2 / D1 only (be careful of ground loop) Two non-USB digital outputs AES / BNC / coaxial / toslink : Lumin U1 / U1 MINI only One analog + one digital: D2 / S1 / A1 / T1 / D1 for PCM output only All clear. Thank you for the clarification, wklie. Link to comment
musicguy Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 @wklie, So I understand you, I could use AES and spidif at the same time driving to separate dac's? 🧐 Link to comment
Popular Post wklie Posted April 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2021 @musicguy As long as USB is disconnected, you may use U1 (MINI) AES / BNC / coaxial / toslink to drive 4 separate DACs. roadCingKlassik and sonodynesrp205 2 Peter Lie LUMIN Firmware Lead Link to comment
musicguy Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Cool, thank you for the tech tip. I will be able to split my streamer now between a headphone set up and a stereo. Really love my UI mini and now it even works better for me. Musicguy Link to comment
sonodynesrp205 Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Hello, anybody here listen Lumin D2? I love all in one solution. But I dont know if D2 will be good match for my Exposure 3010S2D integrated and Gallus Audio Portato speakers. regards, Simon Link to comment
wklie Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 15 hours ago, sonodynesrp205 said: if D2 will be good match for my Exposure 3010S2D integrated I looked at its specs and it looks fine, and Lumin D2 is uniquely suitable to match the low input sensitivity of Exposure. If you use the Exposure volume control, you may connect D2 RCA output to the CD or AUX2 input of the Exposure. You may need to set Lumin analog output level to Low, or further lower its volume if it clips for loud music content. If you are interested in trying the D2 Leedh Processing Volume (i.e. control volume by Lumin app instead of Exposure), connect the D2 RCA output to the AV input of Exposure, if the AV input is not already used by an AV receiver pre-out. Turn the Lumin volume way down before you play anything. sonodynesrp205 1 Peter Lie LUMIN Firmware Lead Link to comment
sonodynesrp205 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 hour ago, wklie said: I looked at its specs and it looks fine, and Lumin D2 is uniquely suitable to match the low input sensitivity of Exposure. If you use the Exposure volume control, you may connect D2 RCA output to the CD or AUX2 input of the Exposure. You may need to set Lumin analog output level to Low, or further lower its volume if it clips for loud music content. If you are interested in trying the D2 Leedh Processing Volume (i.e. control volume by Lumin app instead of Exposure), connect the D2 RCA output to the AV input of Exposure, if the AV input is not already used by an AV receiver pre-out. Turn the Lumin volume way down before you play anything. Good to hear that. I will use Exposure volume control. One more question - will be T1 a better match for my system? Maybe I can find used T1. regards, Simon Link to comment
vintageaxeman Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, sonodynesrp205 said: Good to hear that. I will use Exposure volume control. One more question - will be T1 a better match for my system? Maybe I can find used T1. regards, Simon I will pm you, Simon. Link to comment
chungjh Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Has anyone tried either the Westminster or AudioSensibility DC cable on Lumin X1? I am considering an upgrade to the stock DC cable if there is a noticeable (not subtle) improvement. Link to comment
BlueSkyy Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, chungjh said: Has anyone tried either the Westminster or AudioSensibility DC cable on Lumin X1? I am considering an upgrade to the stock DC cable if there is a noticeable (not subtle) improvement. I've got the Westminster at 0.6m. At the level of sound quality that the X1 produces stock right out of the box all changes are subtle. I like what the Westminster cable did for me. Denafrips Terminator + DAC fed by a Denafrips GAIA DDC, HTPC running JRiver MC, iFi PRO iCAN Signature headphone amp, Marantz AV8805, OPPO BDP-105 for SACD ripping, Sony UBP-X100ES for watching and listening, McIntosh MC1201s Front L/R with Bryston powering the remaining 5 channels, B&W N-801s, B&W HTM-1 in Tiger Eye, B&W 801 IIIs on the sides and in the rear, JL-F212 sub, ReVOX PR-99Mk II, Rega P10 and Alpheta 3, PS Audio Nuwave Phono Amp, Audeze LCD-4 and LCD-XC, UE18 IEMs, Sony CD3000 rebuilt, Sony VPL-VW995ES laser projector, Joe Kane Affinity 120" screen, Cables: Cardas Clear Beyond speaker, Wireworld Platinum Elite 7 RCA, custom (by me) XLRs using affordable, quality parts 🙂 Link to comment
EvilTed Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I have the AudioSensibility Signature Cable in 0.5m length. It is a definite upgrade over the cable I made myself previously using Duelund tinned copper. Both were noticeably better than the stock cable, once they had time to break in. Building your own is not easy or cheap. First you need the pinout diagram that shows the high current vs. low current. Not an issue if you use 20 awg or thicker everywhere, but the raw OCC cable is going to cost you. You have 10x connectors at 0.5m = 5m + enough to terminate cleanly at both ends. Call it 6.5m to be safe. 6.5m = roughly 21 feet. Neotech 20 awg solid core OCC silver cable is $23 / ft on Parts Connection. 21 x 23 = $483 just for cable. Add more for good silver or gold solder. The connectors and cable clamps alone will set you back close to $200, and it is a royal PITA to solder, because the pins are very close together. You are going to be close to $700 for parts alone. Then you are going to spend hours messing with the soldering. It took me 2 weekends to complete it and I have a degree in electronics :) Save the hassle and give Steve a call and get the AS cable ;) Link to comment
vintageaxeman Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I have several different cables. One is the stock cable from the standard rectangular power supplies to a T1, A1 or S1. I also bought one which was an upgrade cable, same plugs, with silver plated copper cable, from a guy in LA who had then bought a pure silver version of the cable from the same supplier. Since then, I have bought an S1 and an X1 power supply, and made two of my own cable design using Neotech rectangular pure silver cores, PTFE insulation, copper screen and carbon fibre outer. WestminsterLabs products are probably much better but I don't know any reason why they should be, and they were far too expensive for me. Link to comment
chungjh Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 hour ago, EvilTed said: I have the AudioSensibility Signature Cable in 0.5m length. It is a definite upgrade over the cable I made myself previously using Duelund tinned copper. Both were noticeably better than the stock cable, once they had time to break in. Building your own is not easy or cheap. First you need the pinout diagram that shows the high current vs. low current. Not an issue if you use 20 awg or thicker everywhere, but the raw OCC cable is going to cost you. You have 10x connectors at 0.5m = 5m + enough to terminate cleanly at both ends. Call it 6.5m to be safe. 6.5m = roughly 21 feet. Neotech 20 awg solid core OCC silver cable is $23 / ft on Parts Connection. 21 x 23 = $483 just for cable. Add more for good silver or gold solder. The connectors and cable clamps alone will set you back close to $200, and it is a royal PITA to solder, because the pins are very close together. You are going to be close to $700 for parts alone. Then you are going to spend hours messing with the soldering. It took me 2 weekends to complete it and I have a degree in electronics :) Save the hassle and give Steve a call and get the AS cable ;) Evil Ted In what way is the AS cable better than stock? With the 12% discount, it may be cheaper than the DIY. Jay Link to comment
vintageaxeman Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I have several different cables. One is the stock Lumin cable from the standard rectangular power supplies to a T1, A1 or S1. I also bought one which was an upgrade cable, same plugs, with silver plated copper cable, from a guy in LA who had then bought a pure silver version of the cable from the same supplier. Since then, I have bought an S1 and an X1 power supply, and made two of my own cable design using Neotech rectangular pure silver cores, PTFE insulation, copper screen and carbon fibre outer. WestminsterLab's products are probably much better than my attempt, but I don't know any reason why they should be, and they were far too expensive for me to consider. So these are the parts that I used: 1. The Hirose plug which fits into the X1 power supply is £15.25 from RSWWW in the UK. 2. The 8 pin connector which fits into a T1, A1 or S1 is £5.22 also from RSWWW in the UK. 3. The rectangular pure silver Neotech wire in PTFE insulation is £111.45 for 3 metres from HiFiCollective in the UK. It is quite fine but it is rated at 300v 4.4amps. What more do you need! We are not using this as loudspeaker cable or mains power cable! Only 6 inner cables are used in the X1 power supply to T1/A1/X1 streamer, even though the two connectors have 10 pins and 8 pins. Wiring is easy. Pin 1 goes to Pin 1, Pin 2 goes to Pin 2 etc. So 6 lengths of 50cm gives a total requiremnt of 3 metres. 4. I wrapped some 3M RF shielding tape around the 6 insulated cores. I then used ordinary heatshrink tubing over that, and finally used some REAL carbon fibre expandable sleeving from EasyComposites in the UK, which was £7.48 per metre. 5. I used a good quality solder which includes a small percentage of pure silver, which is easy to find online for very little cost per metre. The total cost was near enough £140.00 plus various postage costs. Compare that to Audiosensibility at WestminsterLab's cost. Audiosensibility's is actually quite reasonable at around £500 UK Pounds. Personally I feel that WestminsterLab cable is too much. But hey, I can't afford an X1, and probably people who CAN afford an X1 would love to buy the Westminsterlab cable. But it makes my Do It Yourself version look like a bargain. Link to comment
further Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 5 hours ago, chungjh said: Has anyone tried either the Westminster or AudioSensibility DC cable on Lumin X1? I am considering an upgrade to the stock DC cable if there is a noticeable (not subtle) improvement. chungih, I did a short review on the AudioSensibility DC cable last year, and I believe you had posted on that thread, so most likely not new info from me to you on this, https://www.audioshark.org/lumin-169/replacement-power-cable-lumin-x1-18507.html I am still very pleased with the AudioSensibiIity DC cord, but have not heard the Westminster offering. Link to comment
davehg Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 7 hours ago, sonodynesrp205 said: Good to hear that. I will use Exposure volume control. One more question - will be T1 a better match for my system? Maybe I can find used T1. regards, Simon I was in the same boat. I ended up with a D2 and Sbooster power supply which I felt was the right choice. The upgrade to the T2 was more significant in my opinion. sonodynesrp205 1 Headphones: Audeze LCD-3 / Focal Clear/ Sennheiser HD650 Speakers: Devore Fidelity O/96 and Graham Chartwell LS3/5a Amps: Leben CS600x / Bottlehead 300b amp and 300b preamp custom Digital: Lumin X1 and T2 / A&K 120 I DAP Cables: Foundation Research LC1/2 and Cardas Golden Reference AC, Acoustic Zen Absolute, Silver Ref. II and Cardas Clear and Light ICs Link to comment
sonodynesrp205 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Hello, anybody use U1 mini with Denafrips Pontus II DAC? regards, Simon Link to comment
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now