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Win10 can be booted and running from USB stick. I would try that and disconnect your HDD. Officially Microsoft supports to create 'Windows To Go' installation on USB stick only for Win10 Enterprise edition, but using Win10 installation media and free tool you can create USB bootable Win10 installation on USB stick for any Win10 edition (and not only Win10).

 

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Why would you want to run your audio OS off a slow USB drive? The performance difference in running off SSD vs HD is observable, this sounds like a step backwards.

Regards,

Dave

 

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Finally getting back to troubleshooting. If I pause or skip a song, NAA and the computer stop playing nice. Maybe it is the Amareno ASIO driver? See below.

 

When operating correctly, NAA says:

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO Technology by Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH.

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): connection from [::ffff:192.168.1.5]:50737

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Set channels: 2 (2)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO drivers: 2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Found ASIO driver: 'Combo384 ASIO 1.03' (0)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Found ASIO driver: 'foo_dsd_asio' (1)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Loaded ASIO driver: Combo384 ASIO 1.03

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO device supports DSD

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO device supports PCM

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO default format is PCM

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 32000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 44100

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 48000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 64000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 88200

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 96000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 128000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 176400

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 192000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 256000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 352800

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 384000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 512000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 705600

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 768000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 1024000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 1411200

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 1536000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default ASIO channels: 16 in / 16 out

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 0: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO SampleFormat 18, 32-bit

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 1: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 2: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 3: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 4: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 5: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 6: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 7: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 8: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 9: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 10: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 11: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 12: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 13: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 14: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 15: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 32000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 44100/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 48000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 64000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 88200/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 96000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 128000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 176400/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 192000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 256000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 352800/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 384000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 512000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 705600/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 768000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 1024000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 1411200/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 1536000/32/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 2048000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 2822400/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 3072000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 4096000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 5644800/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 6144000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 8192000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 11289600/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 12000000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 12288000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 16384000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 22579200/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 24000000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 24576000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 32768000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 45158400/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 49152000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): start 5644800/1/2 [dsd]

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO format set to DSD

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD buffer size is in bits

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 2048000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 2822400

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 3072000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 4096000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 5644800

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 6144000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 8192000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 11289600

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 12000000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 12288000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 16384000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 22579200

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 24000000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 24576000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 32768000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 45158400

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 49152000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default ASIO channels: 16 in / 16 out

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 0: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format MSB1

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 1: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 2: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 3: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 4: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 5: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 6: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 7: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 8: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 9: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 10: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 11: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 12: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 13: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 14: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 15: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Set channels: 2 (2)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Set sampling rate: 5644800 (5644800)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO channels: 16 in / 16 out

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 0: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 1: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 2: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 3: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 4: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 5: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 6: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 7: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 8: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 9: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 10: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 11: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 12: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 13: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 14: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 15: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO buffer sizes: 32768/32768/32768 granularity: 0

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Using ASIO buffer size: 32768

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO: unknown selector

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO: unknown selector

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO: unknown selector

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Latencies: 1024/0

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Using ASIO output ready notifications

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO engine started at 5644.8 kHz, 2 channels, 32768 sample buffer (2 channels)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO engine running at: 5644800

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): enter streaming mode

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): leave streaming mode

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): stop

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO engine stopped

 

 

The NAA log says this when flaking:

 

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): start 5644800/1/2 [dsd]

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Set channels: 2 (2)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Set sampling rate: 5644800 (5644800)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO channels: 16 in / 16 out

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 0: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 1: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 2: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 3: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 4: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 5: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 6: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 7: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 8: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 9: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 10: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 11: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 12: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 13: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 14: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 15: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO buffer sizes: 32768/32768/32768 granularity: 0

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Using ASIO buffer size: 32768

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO: unknown selector

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO: unknown selector

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO: unknown selector

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Latencies: 1024/0

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Using ASIO output ready notifications

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO engine started at 5644.8 kHz, 2 channels, 32768 sample buffer (2 channels)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO engine running at: 5644800

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): protocol error: clSocket::Send(): send(): Unknown error

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): begin disconnection

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO engine stopped

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): disconnected [::ffff:192.168.1.5]:50737

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): connection from [::ffff:192.168.1.5]:50765

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Set channels: 2 (2)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO drivers: 2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Found ASIO driver: 'Combo384 ASIO 1.03' (0)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Found ASIO driver: 'foo_dsd_asio' (1)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Loaded ASIO driver: Combo384 ASIO 1.03

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO device supports DSD

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO device supports PCM

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO default format is DSD

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 2048000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 2822400

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 3072000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 4096000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 5644800

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 6144000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 8192000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 11289600

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 12000000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 12288000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 16384000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 22579200

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 24000000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 24576000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 32768000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 45158400

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Rate available: 49152000

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default ASIO channels: 16 in / 16 out

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 0: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format MSB1

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 1: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 2: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 3: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 4: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 5: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 6: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 7: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 8: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 9: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 10: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 11: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 12: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 13: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 14: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Default output channel 15: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 32000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 44100/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 48000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 64000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 88200/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 96000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 128000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 176400/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 192000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 256000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 352800/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 384000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 512000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 705600/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 768000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 1024000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 1411200/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO PCM format available: 1536000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 2048000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 2822400/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 3072000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 4096000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 5644800/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 6144000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 8192000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 11289600/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 12000000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 12288000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 16384000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 22579200/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 24000000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 24576000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 32768000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 45158400/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO DSD format available: 49152000/1/2

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): start 5644800/1/2 [dsd]

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Set channels: 2 (2)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Set sampling rate: 5644800 (5644800)

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO channels: 16 in / 16 out

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 0: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 1: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 2: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 3: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 4: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 5: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 6: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 7: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 8: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 9: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 10: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 11: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 12: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 13: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 14: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Output channel 15: Sample

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO buffer sizes: 1024/1024/1024 granularity: 0

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Using ASIO buffer size: 1024

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO: unknown selector

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO: unknown selector

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): ASIO: unknown selector

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Latencies: 1024/0

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): Using ASIO output ready notifications

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): start failure: clASIOMiniEngine::StartAudioClient(): ASIOStart()

[C:\Users\Shawn\Desktop\networkaudiod.exe] (680): enter streaming mode

 

Any help here?

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Why would you want to run your audio OS off a slow USB drive? The performance difference in running off SSD vs HD is observable, this sounds like a step backwards.

 

SSD is naturally better solution. It's better to use USB only for DAC connection. But if he has an unused suitable fast USB key, he can compare it for free with his current HDD solution.

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Yes.

I even went to the settings where I set the Vol Min and Vol Max in order not to go into clipping.

 

The final thing I did last night was to take the NAA out of the equation and connect my DAC back the way it used to be connected (to the HTPC directly).

 

Volume levels returned to normal when I removed the NAA and using ASIO I am able to upsample to 384k. Using WASAPI I can only do 192k upsampling.

My Gustard X20u does do DSD but I could not get it to work when NAA connected. HQPlayer would stream data but there was no sound from the DAC when NAA connected.

 

 

 

I'm going to try something different. I've been stalking DCC interfaces for a few months now.

 

I just now ordered a Singxer SU-1 DDC

I will install the Singxer Drivers and let it feed the Gustard X20u

Also while I'm mucking around, I will probably:

 

1 - Replace the X20 transformer bolts with nylon ones

2 - Add non-metal doughnuts under the transformers

 

3 - Twist the internal power wires

4 - Possibly make my own X20 power cord and bypass the ON-OFF switch and fuse.

DIY Power Cord

 

5 - Remove the USB card from the X20

 

I had looked at the Tanly DCC for a while but for whatever reason waited.

 

Maybe the NAA PC will have better luck talking to the Singxer SU-1

I'm about 3 days into my 14 day HQPlayer trial so I would like to get this sorted out ASAP.

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i'm installing hqplayerd embedded and am making progress.

 

i've followed the instructions on http://www.signalyst.com/embedded-install.html

my pc is a 5i5 NUC running ubuntu 16.01 LTS.

i've installed and configured hqplayerd and rygel, and when i open them in separate windows, i can see the renderer on my network, so i'm ok up to the 'starting the renderer' section.

 

next step is to install and run the headless server.

i've installed everything except the linux-image-rt-amd64 package............is this a 'stretch' requirement or do i also need it for ubuntu 16?

at this point, i've set up the 'music' login and tlm but i'm stuck with failures on the step 7

Login as user music and check that components get started properly using command "/etc/session.d/user-session"

 

any suggestions on what i should look for next? i can post the error messages from step 7 if that helps.

 

my guess would be that i need a RT kernel for ubuntu, but i'm not sure where to find it, etc.

 

thanks

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Hi Miska (or anyone else who can tell me what should be done to correct the problem) -

 

I've got networkaudiod (3.40) up and running on Stretch on a BeagleBone Green Wireless, which is hooked up to an iFi micro-iDSD DAC. The BBGW and DAC are downstairs; I'm running HQPlayer 3.14beta5 on Xubuntu on my upstairs desktop. I tried running at DSD512 first, but at least by the time I got downstairs there was no sound. Then I tried DSD256 with the same result. (Not sure if my desktop can do DSD512 reliably, but I believe it should be able to do DSD256.)

 

Here is the output of systemctl status networkaudiod from the BBGW with DSD256:

 

● networkaudiod.service - Network Audio Adapter daemon

Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/networkaudiod.service; enabled; vendor pr

eset: enabled)

Active: active (running) since Wed 2016-08-10 10:49:56 EDT; 9min a

go

Main PID: 1348 (networkaudiod)

CGroup: /system.slice/networkaudiod.service

└─1348 /usr/sbin/networkaudiod

 

 

Aug 10 10:56:51 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): ALSA

period time: 100000

Aug 10 10:56:51 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): ALSA

period size: 35280

Aug 10 10:56:51 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): ALSA

engine started at: 11289600 (11289600)

Aug 10 10:56:51 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): enter

streaming mode

Aug 10 10:56:51 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): ALSA

engine running...

Aug 10 10:57:43 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): ALSA

attempting X-run recovery...

Aug 10 10:57:43 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): clALS

AMiniEngine::Execute(): clALSAMiniEngine::RecoverXrun(): snd_pcm_prepare(): No s

uch device

Aug 10 10:57:55 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): push to queue timed out!

Aug 10 10:57:55 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): begin disconnection

Aug 10 10:57:55 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): ALSA engine stopping...

 

The console message with DSD512 was similar, though I don't recall the line about cIALSAMiniEngine being there.

 

Thoughts?

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Aug 10 10:56:51 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): ALSA

engine running...

Aug 10 10:57:43 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): ALSA

attempting X-run recovery...

 

OK, after about 30 seconds there is kernel induced latency peak causing audio delivery deadline miss and thus buffer underrun.

 

Aug 10 10:57:43 arm networkaudiod[1348]: [/usr/sbin/networkaudiod] (1348): clALSAMiniEngine::Execute(): clALSAMiniEngine::RecoverXrun(): snd_pcm_prepare(): No such device

 

As a result seems like the entire audio device was lost.

 

 

Does the same work without WiFi? On Windows side, bad WiFi drivers are one of the most typical latency problem sources. On Linux side the most typical open source ones shouldn't be much of a problem at least on x86, but I'm not sure about all, especially on ARM. Probably depends a lot on how much intelligence the WiFi adapter itself has and how much it requires support from the CPU.

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OK, after about 30 seconds there is kernel induced latency peak causing audio delivery deadline miss and thus buffer underrun.

 

 

 

As a result seems like the entire audio device was lost.

 

 

Does the same work without WiFi? On Windows side, bad WiFi drivers are one of the most typical latency problem sources. On Linux side the most typical open source ones shouldn't be much of a problem at least on x86, but I'm not sure about all, especially on ARM. Probably depends a lot on how much intelligence the WiFi adapter itself has and how much it requires support from the CPU.

 

Thanks Miska. I managed to get it running by switching to ASDM7, where it was stable even at DSD256. However, due to the board or my setup, I've got what I think is a ground noise problem. (See http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f22-networking-networked-audio-and-streaming/grok-linux-help-me-make-naa-cute-little-board-29427/#post571113). Still, I consider the experiment a success as "proof of concept," and can hear good reproduction through the noise.

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The ones currently in use are USB, SPDIF/AES and Firewire. Most popular at the moment is NAA with Firewire connection to a Mytek DAC.

 

Miska can you tell me which boards I can use for a FireWire connection to the Mytek dac?

Thanks

 

Just remember the Mytek has a FW 400 setup.

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Oh yeah thanks for your reply Firedog! But I don't understand what you mean?

I (think I)understand that I can use an itx/atx board(with FireWire, like a Mac mini) as an NAA. But I would prefer a System on a chip or module.. which would be (almost) impossible with FireWire.

 

Came across Miska's post and was interested what board he used that has FireWire.

 

Again sorry for my ignorance just trying hard to get along.

 

 

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Hello

 

I install NAA in my Raspberry PI 3, no problems at all upsampling to DSD 128 from My Core I7 Hackintosh, not a single in about a week, but i have a question

 

How can i turn off the raspberry??? i just unplug it, but i think there are better ways.

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Thanks Miska. I managed to get it running by switching to ASDM7, where it was stable even at DSD256. However, due to the board or my setup, I've got what I think is a ground noise problem. (See http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f22-networking-networked-audio-and-streaming/grok-linux-help-me-make-naa-cute-little-board-29427/#post571113). Still, I consider the experiment a success as "proof of concept," and can hear good reproduction through the noise.

 

Turns out it's likely not ground noise. At another member's suggestion (thanks, lmitche!), I ran the BBGW from a cell phone charger battery, so the only physical BBGW connection to the rest of the system was USB out to a Regen connected to the iFi. Still got the noise. I'm thinking it may be the activity of the wireless receiver; wondering if the board's provision for USB over Ethernet (even though it wasn't being used at the time) may mean there is a connection between the wifi and USB sections of the board.

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I'll try getting rid of some services on the BBGW, and meanwhile I have an old BeagleBoard xM I dug out of the closet that I'll set up with wired Ethernet and see if it does any better.

 

Looking around at some other stuff to try, any advantage/disadvantage for NAA purposes between Cubox-i and Cubox-i4Pro?

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I'll try getting rid of some services on the BBGW, and meanwhile I have an old BeagleBoard xM I dug out of the closet that I'll set up with wired Ethernet and see if it does any better.

 

Looking around at some other stuff to try, any advantage/disadvantage for NAA purposes between Cubox-i and Cubox-i4Pro?

 

I think the Cubox-i2 will handle NAA duties just fine [emoji6]

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Help Please

I am trying to install HQPlayer NAA onto a NanoPi Neo

I have installed the Armbian distro

Downloaded and installed https://www.signalyst.eu/bins/naa/linux/stretch/networkaudiod_3.4.0-32_armhf.deb

The installation runs and a message comes up saying "configuring networkaudiod"

The end user license says "Click I agree" but no Iagee , or cancel , button is evident.

 

Try pressing the Tab key to see if anything is highlighted, or Enter to see if that works to accept.

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I think the Cubox-i2 will handle NAA duties just fine [emoji6]

 

I noticed a couple of things:

 

- I believe Miska has an -i4Pro, but don't know if that necessarily means he thinks it's any better for NAA duties.

 

- Cubox has a quad-core model called the CuboxTV that can be had for $10 more than the -i2. Would the quad-core have any advantage over the -i2 for NAA purposes, or would the extra stuff built into the board possibly make it noisier/worse for that purpose? Or are they pretty much the same?

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Hello

 

I install NAA in my Raspberry PI 3, no problems at all upsampling to DSD 128 from My Core I7 Hackintosh, not a single in about a week, but i have a question

 

How can i turn off the raspberry??? i just unplug it, but i think there are better ways.

 

Try sudo shutdown -h now

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I noticed a couple of things:

 

- I believe Miska has an -i4Pro, but don't know if that necessarily means he thinks it's any better for NAA duties.

 

- Cubox has a quad-core model called the CuboxTV that can be had for $10 more than the -i2. Would the quad-core have any advantage over the -i2 for NAA purposes, or would the extra stuff built into the board possibly make it noisier/worse for that purpose? Or are they pretty much the same?

 

The NAA is a clock domain crossing FIFO buffer -- which means that it takes in a TCP/IP stream, buffers and outputs to an ALSA device -- often a USB device. So the hardware and OS have an Ethernet driver onto which the TCP/IP stack is layered. The networkaudiod reads from this and sends bits to the ALSA stack which has its own device drivers. That's pretty much it (except for control functions). I am surmising this and Miska is of course free to correct any of my assumptions with the facts :)

 

In any case no need for high powered processing! I think any of the above will work and generally the simpler the better. There will be SQ effects from the hardware designs themselves so no rule that all tiny low powered and cheap boards will sound good but also no rule that they won't.

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The NAA is a clock domain crossing FIFO buffer -- which means that it takes in a TCP/IP stream, buffers and outputs to an ALSA device -- often a USB device. So the hardware and OS have an Ethernet driver onto which the TCP/IP stack is layered. The networkaudiod reads from this and sends bits to the ALSA stack which has its own device drivers. That's pretty much it (except for control functions). I am surmising this and Miska is of course free to correct any of my assumptions with the facts :)

 

In any case no need for high powered processing! I think any of the above will work and generally the simpler the better. There will be SQ effects from the hardware designs themselves so no rule that all tiny low powered and cheap boards will sound good but also no rule that they won't.

 

What I've seen in further research that may be the decider is that for $10 more the CuboxTV has nearly 5 times faster nominal Ethernet capability. (GigE stuff but limited to 467mbps nominal throughput by onboard message bus for -TV, vs 10/100 E for -i2.) For 10 bucks I like the idea of a much bigger margin before the little box's network throughput becomes a factor for, say, DSD512.

 

On the other hand, all this could evaporate if I hook up the BeagleBoardxM and just get music, no noise.

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This is the device I am waiting to be released: https://www.solid-run.com/product/clearfog-base/

 

Could consider replacing on board switching chip with 3v3 and 1v8 linear, as well as upgraded caps but has that built in SFP module for a very attractive price.

 

 

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Pretty amazing it has an SSD on board for that price. Couple of questions I'm curious about:

 

- Wonder if the opto-electronic conversion of the SFP could be a noise source. (Guess I'd use regular Ethernet, then.)

 

- Wonder what the availability of Linux distros would be for this (i.e., how soon could I install Debian Stretch and make an NAA out of it? :) ).

 

- What components would be needed to connect the SFP to a copper Ethernet router, and how much would they cost?

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