HQPlayer's Network Audio Adapter

[The Computer Audiophile]

Some error this morning that I haven't noticed previously on my Windows 10 NAA

 

protocol error: clASIOEngine::DeviceLookup(): lDrvs < 0

 

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Looks like installation of the USB audio driver wan't successful, thus the error. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

54 minutes ago, semente said:

Dumb question. 🤔

 

Can I flash the ".7z" NAA image into the SD card like I did with the ".img" file or to I need to extract the image?

Depends on the flashing software being used. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, semente said:

 

I'm using the Terminal on Mac OS.

Not sure about that one. You could install the Unarchiver app to turn it into an img. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, asdf1000 said:

Hi @Miska

 

See attached orange error, something about RTP packets ?

 

Does that give any clues why Ravenna version HQP OS is popping?

 

AHHHHHHHH, ANEMAN, the bane of my existence! :~)

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 minutes ago, asdf1000 said:

 

I have audio all solved for everything except HQPlayer OS (Jussi's special Ravenna version).

 

If I can't get it working I'll simply use Tidal, Spotify, Apple Music, Soundcloud, Qobuz, without HQPlayer.

 

But with my RME ADI-2 I can route ALL those through HQPlayer so that's the last thing I'm trying.

 

But yeh, I have a poster on my wall that I throw darts at each day, this:

 

I need to circle back with the Merging guys to ask them to work on a music mission. Enable Roon Ready and NAA within the Anubis. It's all possible. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, NoNaim said:

Hi... need some advice on using a pi4 + PoE as a NAA endpoint. I fancied setting up one of these things in the living room for those times I wanted to use my TT2 there instead of my main listening room. Never used them before.

 

So, to the questions.

 

1. Will it receive the 32/768 output from the HQPlayer that my oR receives?

2. What OS do I need to install on the pi4? 

3. Or, do you only need to flash the HQPlayer NAA onto the SD card an no other software.

 

As I say, never used these things before so not sure what is required. I'll be using a MacBook Pro to create the image file on the SD card. Thanks for any pointers.

 

 

I’d flash the NAA image. Just plug it in and you’re done. HQP will see it. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, NoNaim said:

Ok... so no Ubuntu or any of the other OS systems etc... just install the HQPlayer NAA Daemon file onto the SD card and that's it 🤔... seems to simple 😂

You can install Ubuntu then NAA, but the NAA image that includes OS and NAA is best. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

17 minutes ago, NoNaim said:

 

Excellent, thanks. I just noticed, the fanless one states cat 5e or 6e cable. However, I have cat 6 installed. Any ideas whether this would be an issue? If it is, I'll just go with the one with the fan as I'll be using headphones anyway in the living room.

Won’t matter. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

I used the official PoE hat. 
 

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

8 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Trying NAA on a Rasberry PI3.All I can get is PCM which plays slow and crackling.No DSD at all ? Any ideas

Are you using an NAA image? Which DAC?

[The Computer Audiophile]

17 minutes ago, Miska said:

ethernet shares the same USB bus as the Type-A connectors

I totally forgot about that once the RPi4 came out!

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 hours ago, SpaceGhost said:

I'm really struggling to maintain my support of Ubiquiti 😕 Freshly built Windows 11 box (to act as something of a media and home server) and HQPlayer can't find the NAA agent on the sms-200. Investigation points to the bad / lack of multicast and IGMP proxy support on the UDP Pro and managed switches. Sigh.

 

I'm looking for resolutions, but in the meantime @Miska or anyone: Is it possible to configure HQPlayer to target a specific IP for the NAA rather than relying on discovery through multicast? That would get me back up and running in the short term!

 

Make sure you enable this on the UDM Pro. I have full Ubiquiti network and it works great. 
 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

And this. 
 

[The Computer Audiophile]

21 minutes ago, SpaceGhost said:

I have these enabled already! That’s the annoying bit. Can I ask if you have any managed switches or VLANs configured?

 

I have a full managed Ubiquiti network. I have VLANs for iot devices, but my audio rides on the main network. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

It’s likely something other than mDNS on Ubiquiti that’s the issue. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 hours ago, SpaceGhost said:

Thanks for the responses. This is even more puzzling then. I'm running the network flat, no VLANs at all.

 

Yes I understand this is commonly relied upon, I'm certainly not criticising HQPlayer for doing so! I'm more frustrated that mine is failing.

 

Have people with UDM Pros and multiple VLANs not experienced any other issues? I've read that even until the recent 1.11.0 firmware multicast would have required the use of a different reflector to get cross VLAN multicast working.

 

All I can think of left to try is a clean reset or setting up a VLAN other than the default one to put everthing on as the switches I know default IGMP Proxy to VLAN mode and not interface mode.

 

I’ve run into issues where there were so many devices on a mainly A/V network, that a separate vlan was required to get a specific music app to work. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

27 minutes ago, SpaceGhost said:

 

Just as a follow up: Totally reset the UDM Pro and all downstream hardware. Created a separate VLAN which now hosts the media server and the NAA, and set the two relevant ports on the switch with the relevant profile. The problem persists, and I can't see a reason for it. Even tools like this one (which work on other hardware connected to a downstream unmanaged switch and I'm assuming therefore not hitting the router) show that multicast traffic just isn't being forwarded.

 

This is with mDNS on, IGMP Snooping on and off and the various other WiFi AI stuff disabled (even though I'm testing hardwired). Interestingly, one thing the VLAN did resolve is that the Roon core (on the media server) is now discoverable from all over the network (was not detectable when on default VLAN).

 

Again, not saying this is down to HQPlayer at all (and therefore apologies for perhaps being a little off topic)... but I'm out of ideas (and nearly hair at this stage!) so if anyone has any other crazy ideas do let me know.

 

 

What if you connect the HQP server and NAA to the same unmanaged dumb switch, just to create a baseline / known good setup. Then start making changes one by one to see if you can cause the issue.

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 hours ago, SpaceGhost said:

 

That's the thing. When connected to the same (unmanaged / downstream) switch, it works fine. As soon as the router is involved it fails. I'm not sure what changes I can make in between that to narrow it down!

 

 

Ah, interesting. 

 

Have you SSH'd into the router and monitored /var/log/messages ?

 

Which UniFi software interface are you using, the new or old? I hate the new one because it still doesn't give you all the options, so I revert to old. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

6 minutes ago, wisechoice said:

Has anybody had success using a RPi NAA while upsampling music from HQPlayer via a software virtual cable or loopback on the Mac? I can use HQPlayer4Desktop without issue if the DAC is connected locally, but when I select the NAA as the output, playback always fails to start for some reason, no matter the settings. I've tried VB-Cable, Blackhole, and Rogue Ameoba's Loopback, and none of them appear to work with the NAA, even though they work with a local DAC.  This is true with both the arm64 and x64 macOS versions. With the Digiface USB plugged in, I can use the hardware loopback and it plays successfully to the NAA. However, that device isn't connected to the computer with the most processing power, so I'm comparatively limited with it. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!

Why are you using a virtual interface? I’d just send audio from HQP to NAA. Make sure the DAC is connected to the NAA before trying. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 hours ago, wisechoice said:

 

Sorry, I guess I should have specified that I'm using a virtual interface to pipe lossless and hi-res audio from Apple Music (and other applications) to HQPlayer via CoreAudio for the backend. The virtual interface is set as both the system audio output and the HQPlayer input device. This works when I'm not using the NAA as the output but instead using a USB DAC connected to the same machine. But it doesn't work when the NAA is selected as the output. When the Digiface is used instead of the virtual interface (as system audio output and HQPlayer input device), it works with the NAA. I'd rather not buy another hardware interface just for the loopback functionality on the computer that's doing the processing. Hope that makes sense.

Great, thanks for the explanation. Great use of technology to get what you want. 
 

perhaps @Miskahas an idea why NAA doesn’t work on this config. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

23 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

Half the price:

https://www.pcengines.ch

 

Oh wow, I forgot about those. Haven't used one in over a decade. Cool stuff. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

I would love to see more high end manufacturers adopt a truly high end solution like Ravenna or even NAA. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

5 minutes ago, warrior_on_mars said:

 

Oh, and I've been putting all basic Oversmapling 1x as well. No errors are displayed beyond: Processing time 00:10:32 or something like this. Subsequent to that, opening Preferences again kills the application (checked that the same happens on MacOS and Windows)

Your DAC looks like it supports up to DSD128 and only via DoP, and up to 24 bits, which isn't selected for your output device. 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

We can ask @Ryan Berry from Ayre as well.