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Welcome to the Pono community. After bouncing from its original home to another, the Pono community finally has a permanent home :~)
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  2. @Karrma good to hear from you and glad you've found us. Don't recall hearing of a PonoPlayer that had to be booted without mSD card. When it is started this way does it read the library a second after adding mSD card? At least this method still allows the player to work. My Pono still work. I recently took steps to prolong the micro USB connector on the Pono. Now use an external battery tank with very short USB cable. Never unhook the cable from the Pono. When it is time to charge the big battery, I unhook the cable from it, leaving the short USB plugged into the Pono. No wear and tear on the Pono USB connector. We can replace Pono batteries, but a circuit board mounted USB receptacle is probably beyond our abilities. Welcome back, Doug A
  3. I found you again. Still using my kickstarter Norah Jones which has a new battery and some quirks like can only start up with no external sd card and then put it in. Skips some and was hoping battery replacement would help (not) and a signed Willie Nelson that I purchased a few years ago on eBay that looked like it had not been used.
  4. I'm still using mine, and still love it! (metal KickStarter unit), balanced cables (Shure SE846-K headphones). But my battery went out (bought a replacement from Surf Cables - popping open the metal Pono was quite difficult and required a lot of persistence using iFixIt prying tools. The case is fastened and glued shut. But the battery replacement was trivial once the case was open). It's charging now - crossing my fingers... While I have the unit popped open, I have a question for the group: I have 2 white lines across my screen. Obviously I have my Pono for sound quality, so 2 lines on the screen aren't a huge problem. But I'm a high-tech guy and would like to fix it. Does anyone know how to get a screen replaced? Or where to buy a replacement screen so I can do it myself?
  5. Thx for your reply, Doug. Sadly had to give up on my Pono revival attempts and purchase a Fiio M11Plus — dramatically superior in just about every way: bigger, heavier, waaaaay more expensive. That said, also waaaay more convenient and (yes) even better sounding.
  6. Sorry so late getting back to you on this. Is the Nirvana file on a card or in the internal memory? If internal memory, there isn't much that can be done. Don't know anyone that specializes in repairing them. It would be tough without a schematic. Are you sure the USB cable is a 4 wire charge and data cord? There are a lot of charge only cables. The only other thing to try is holding O button for about 30 seconds to see if it will reset. Thanks, Doug A
  7. I have two Pono players — my yellow KS and a silver FF I found on EBay. My KS now refuses to boot past the Ayre screen and the FF apparently has a corrupted Nirvana file that locks up (fails) the boot process. I have opened both up and have installed fresh batteries. Neither will connect to Mac or Windows via known-good USB. Does anyone have a handle on possible repair strategies?
  8. I agree. Also have a HifiMan and an ultra tiny Shanling M0. They use negative feedback which drops output impedance. The PonoPlayer isn't always happy with 6+ driver per side IEMs. Higher output impedance can cause more frequency response variations. Some would say earphones shouldn't be designed with that many drivers. That's another discussion.
  9. Even though the Pono does objectively sound better in most cases, I'm still really enjoying the HiBy R3 Pro Saber device. I find it pairs will with my HD6XX headphones in balanced mode and is "fun to use and listen to". The R3 has tons of power. In balanced mode I rarely can set the volume above 50%. The 650s are "easier listening" headphones and less accurate than the HD600 which I prefer with the Pono. They seem to pair well since they don't analyze the source as closely as the 600s do on this lesser DAC. The Pono is my "first love" but I still allow my self some love affairs "on the side" here. I can't really say the R3 sounds a lot better than listening from my Android Pixel 4a phone through my O2 objective amp to drive the Sennheisers --it's just more fun to use. I don't feel like I'm on my cell phone, which for some reason, matters when I'm attempting to listen to music without a lot of distraction. So I guess what I'm saying, I think having a DAP still is a nice thing --even if it's not as good as a Pono, not a super high end one. It's nice to have a device that is dedicated to music and isn't a phone, one that provides a good interface, can effortlessly hold thousands of files and also stream. I would like to try some of the more expensive DAPs, but I can't really justify it --except in the name of geekery.
  10. Absolutely @pinecone. I jumped on the chance to get the NYLE thru kickstarter.... and when I got it and listened to the hi-res music that came on it (with normal headphones at the time not even balanced...) I knew it was special..... So then I bought a black one and a yellow one so I could have one in the living room and one portable one with me..... then when I got the chance to buy one of the final few clear ones from Phil Baker I jumped on that too. Now my NYLE and the clear one stay in it's collectable box in the closet, coming out periodically for me to check the charge level. And I could not be happier that I scored all 4. So yes, the device is wonderful. And I will always wonder what would have happened with the PonoMusic website had Apple not bought the rug out from under them. However it did prove to others that there is a market for hi-res audio.... and Neil was truly vindicated when Amazon jumped on the hi-res train. Do you subscribe to the NeilYoungArchives.com site? If not, I suggest you check it out.
  11. Thinking back to the days when Pono came out it seems like nobody understood the actual proposition of this device, myself included. The focus was about “high definition” music versus compressed music when it should have been about the Ayre DAC and the system Doug outlines above. The actual selling point to me is that even cd quality music sounds a lot better when paired with good headphones, and especially in balanced mode. The typical consumer and reviewer just didn’t understand, and Neil was constantly accused of being a “snake oil salesman” when he was actually selling a phenomenal product, one that to this day is the best in its class at its price point.
  12. If the digital audio players weren't more expensive than a mini-PC and decent DAC, they may not be dying. But, the prices are ridiculous. I say they are pricing themselves out of a market.
  13. @pinecone it sounds so good because of the design choices Ayre and PonoMusic made. 1. A custom digital filter designed for optimum sound quality. Most companies just use the default filter included with the DAC chip. So they all have a Sonic similarity about them. 2. The PonoPlayer was designed to do one thing - play music as it was recorded. It doesn't wifi, Bluetooth, have EQ, or sound enhancement modes. This leads to #3. 3. Discreet analog circuitry. This causes the player to be more expensive to build but sounds better. Other players are using $1.00 opamps. They have no choice but to use opamps to reduce size. They have to reduce size to cram in all the extra features mentioned in #2 above. Opamps are very unlinear and require massive amounts of negative feedback to work. Negative feedback messes up the time domain. Charley hated negative feedback. This is why I bought 4 PonoPlayers. There won't be a comparable sounding player until someone builds a player the same way. People are so used to gimmicks and gadgets it isn't economically feasible, unless made in small quantities at a high price. Unfortunately, high-end audio companies aren't very interested in portable audio. I was so surprised to see Ayre get involved with Pono. Thanks to Neil Young and Charley Hansen for making it happen. Thanks, Doug A
  14. The so-called experts also said that CD's were dead, I guess they don't really get it.
  15. So the little R3 is really a beautiful little device. I’m 100% satisfied overall. The bottom line though is that soundwise the Pono with balanced out is still superior for most music that I listen to. I’ve got to hand it to Ayre acoustics on that DAC. How did they do it? And why is it that even in 2022 you still can’t get a DAP at the Pono price point that can match it?
  16. Glad it worked out. Still a great sounding player. Listening to the Codex as I post this. Just added a Don Sachs Model 2 preamp to the system - amazing. Eagles - Hotel California Live is stellar in 24/192. Highly recommended. Listen on.
  17. @Séamus MC Donnell What is an se200? Is it from Astell & Kern? That is the only one I could find after Googling.... list price $ 1800. Holy shit. I still love my 4 PONO players, each $400.
  18. I have a 200 GB SanDisk in my Pono. My wife’s Pono has, I think, 100GB. Both take about that long to boot as the OS scans the library. Not ideal but worth the upgrade over the 60GB internal memory.
  19. Agreed. Got it for over 700sterling off retail on eBay from a very solid seller.
  20. Decided to ditch Pono. Gave it to a young relative who loves playing guitar. Moved onto the se200 Massive difference.
  21. I just ordered one of these https://store.hiby.com/products/hiby-r3-pro-saber Curious to how this will compare to the Pono to be paired with Sennheiser HD600 balanced. Will report back in a few weeks once it arrives from China. I also listen to streaming (non balanced) through my Pixel4a phone, using O2 amplifier. I have to admit that this sounds good too. But I really prefer to have files /and or vinyl lps of my music and to own the music I really like in multiple formats. I have started ripping records to digital using audacity to compare the vinyl rips to digital. Sometimes the vinyl rip sounds better to my ears.
  22. @LDF @Doug A Guys, this effort has been highly successful. With the card that LDF recommended and removing the data from the internal memory that Doug recommended, my Pono is functioning like new. It's not super speedy when it reboots ~30 seconds but at least it boots and this is acceptable. I'm really glad because I still love this device, it sounds fantastic, and I have invested significantly in it by buying the balanced cables etc for my HD600s. With 512GB I should be good to go for the foreseeable future. Thanks!!!
  23. @[email protected] A Thank you for the suggestions. I ordered a new card and will erase the songs in the system memory and then report back.
  24. @pinecone, it is very important to pick a quality card. Here is a link to the 512GB card I use in all of my PONO Players, the SanDisk 512GB Ultra Micro SDXC UHS-I, now about $65 on Amazon. Hope this helps. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08GXXKY6P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
  25. @Séamus MC Donnell wow, just got the notification of your post. Talk about time lag...yikes. I've never been inside a PonoPlayer, but suspect you are correct about the cause of the problem. Guessing the connectors are soldered directly to the circuit board. That shouldn't be too difficult for a repair tech. Many people could probably handle it DIY. Good luck. Thanks, Doug A

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