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    Meitner Audio MA3 Integrated D/A Converter Review

     


    Have you ever heard people talking about two products at the store, and suggesting they were nearly identical, probably made in the same factory, but have different packaging and substantially different prices? I certainly have. Perhaps I missed an exposé on national television back in the day, when everyone learned about such practices. Or, this is an urban legend that makes people feel even better about throwing the less expensive products in their carts.  I can see it now, a couple guys at the next audio show talking about the EMM Labs DV2 ($30,000) and Meitner Audio MA3 ($9,500), and suggesting they were nearly identical, probably made in the same factory, but have different packaging and substantially different prices. 

     

    Let's put the speculation to rest. The "nearly identical" part is a bit over the top with respect to performance and external build quality, but everything else is true. The Meitner Audio MA3 Integrated D/A Converter was designed by the same team, including Ed Meitner and DSP engineer Mariusz Pawlicki, as EMM Labs components, manufactured in the same factory as EMM Labs components, and is 1/3 the price of the flagship EMM Labs DV2 converter I reviewed in 2020, and still use to this day. While not nearly identical to the DV2, the MA3's sound quality is very close. So close in fact, that I've recommended the MA3 to friends, with reference level systems, as the place to start with EMM Labs/Meitner. These friends still use the MA3 today, despite the wherewithal to have a DV2 delivered tomorrow.

     

    The Meitner MA3 is the sweet spot in the complete lineup and the place to start or end one's EMM Labs / Meitner journey. The chances are good that an upgrade to full blown EMM Labs level products won't be necessary for many folks. Yes, some of us are a bit more like Oscar Wilde in that we have the simplest tastes, always satisfied with the best. In this case, only a DV2 will do. For everyone else, lets dig into how good the Meitner Audio MA3 actually is and where it differs from the EMM Labs components.  

     


    MA3 Integrated D/A Converter Details

     

    I'll start with an accurate and quite honest quote from Meitner Audio, about the MA3. 

     

    "Introducing Meitner Audio’s ground breaking MA3 Integrated D/A converter. The first of our next generation products. The MA3 combines Ed Meitner's proven world-class sound techniques from our beloved DA2 V2 and DV2 converters, with network audio streaming functions from our popular and simple to use NS1 Streamer - creating one sleek, affordable package to serve your greater enjoyment of music."

     

     

    MA-3_Beauty1.jpgSeriously, when the manufacturer agrees that its far less expensive product is this close to the flagship, it's a great thing for consumers. The MA3's similarities with the DV2 include critical items such as 16xDSD MDAC2 DACs coupled with proprietary MDAT2 DSP and VControl volume control. This is the heart of the digital section of both DACs. Both also feature EMM's proprietary USB isolation hardware, MFAST jitter removal, and custom MCLK2 clock. 

     

    The MA3 diverts from its flagship-level brothers when it comes to inputs. The MA3 includes a Conversdigital Ethernet input that supports UPnP/DLNA and is Roon Ready. This is my favorite interface on the MA3, as I used it extensively during the review period. 

     

    Signalpath DSD1024x48.jpgWith respect to sample rate support, the MA3 is like other Meitner and EMM Labs products. Support for PCM through 192 kHz and DSD64 via DoP (384 kHz and DSD128 over USB). Everything coming in to the MA3 is upsampled to DSD1024 using EMM Labs' custom DSP. This use of DSP should be very familiar to fans of HQPlayer and also lends credibility to the concept of using extremely high sample rates to improve audio quality in the frequencies that humans can actually hear. Also note, the DSD1024 upsampling is done in multiples of 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz (DSD1024x41 or DSD1024x48).

     

    The front panel display on the MA3 is much nicer than any of the other EMM Labs or Meitner products I've seen to date. It isn't fancy and full color, but it's easy on the eyes and informative, while enabling limited touch selection of inputs. The large volume knob is nearly identical to that on the DV2. Smooth, with physical detents easily felt by the finders. 

     

    Huge cost savings were passed on to consumers with the new all metal chassis, smaller remote control, circuit boards, and different power supply of the MA3. The DV2 employs Ed Meitner’s proprietary switch mode power supply and ceramic circuit boards with tighter tolerance components, whereas the MA3 has a custom specified power supply meeting the voltage, noise and current performance requirements of Ed and his team, and conventional FR4 circuit boards.

     

    In terms of magnitude, this is the biggest difference between the MA3 and DV2. Chassis and remote control metal, anything proprietary, and ceramic boards are extremely expensive, especially in low quantities. Meitner Audio used a very sturdy, but much thiner chassis for the MA3 and the remote is fairly pedestrian compared to the self defense  device that is the DV2 remote. I expect readers to know where they stand on items like these. Some appreciate the elevated build quality, while others put components in a cabinet and never look back.  

     


    Listening 

     

    MA-3_Back.jpgMy system for this review, and every review, consisted of Wilson Audio Alexia Series 2 loudspeakers, Transparent Audio Reference cable, Constellation Audio Inspiration mono amps, and 512 Engineering symmetrical power transformers. It was very nice to have both the MA3 and DV2 sitting next to each other in my system, enabling simple comparisons. I connected both units directly to the Constellation Audio amplifiers's XLR input, not to be confused with the Direct input used in conjunction with a preamp. 

     

    I controlled music playback two ways. Eighty percent of the time I used the forthcoming JPLAY for iOS application to pull music from Qobuz and MinimServer running on my QNAP NAS to send audio to the MA3 via DLNA. The other 20% of the time I used Roon and my convolution filters created by Mitch Barnett from Accurate Sound. 

     

    Starting with the track Prodigal Daughter from Aoife O'Donnovan, an artist to which I can't stop listening lately, the MA3 just shines. O'Donnovan's 1934 O-17 Martin acoustic guitar and Tim O'Brien's mandola both sounded delicate and delineated. The MA3 has a smoothness that, on this track that, puts the listener at ease, yet it isn't coloration type of smoothness. O'Donnovan's lyrics appear to roll right off her tongue with grace that can be heard crystal clear when she sings verses such as "Prodigal daughter returns like a lamb to the slaughter. She yearns for the things that you taught her." Strange I know, but listening to this track through the MA3 made me wonder many times, how the heck O'Donnovan thought she would get those lyrics to sound so sweet. Components at this level bring out those type of thoughts while I'm listening. 

     

    Note: If readers want even more greatness from Aoife O'Donnovan, I highly recommend her acoustic album titled In the Magic Hour, on which she covers Brice Springsteen's Nebraska. It's absolutely delightful. 

     

    A song I recently rediscovered, that I used to annoy all my friends with by playing frequently, is Beautiful Girl from INXS. This is such an underrated gem. Listening to the Mendelsohn version of Beautiful Girl through the MA3 was as enjoyable as any system on which I've ever heard this track. The opening keyboard and bass line are unforgettable. When the deep, punchy, and visceral bass kicks in, it's easy to notice the MA3 has serious authority on its XLR outputs. Not every DAC can drive an amplifier directly. The MA3's 4.36V brawn was a bit surprising. I expected the flagship DV2 to drive my amps easily, but the way the MA3 handled this task was just terrific. 

     

    As the track continued, Michael Hutchence's centered vocal sounded a bit processed, as it should, but it also sounded a bit like a high dynamic range photo looks. Very rich and overly real. This is how the vocal should sound in my estimation. It's just lovely. Kirk Pengilly's saxophone has an airy sound to it at times, and a solid, forceful, reenforcing sound at other times. The MA3 is excellent at reproducing both airy and solid details in a way that's easy to delineate from the other instruments and doesn't meld the sound into a single saxophone / one note bass type of sound. There are some beautiful details within this track and the Meitner Audio MA3 reveals them all, individually, in their own spaces, with a balance of power and delicacy.

     

    There is no question in my mind that the MA3 is a DAC that has outputted its coverage. It's a DAC on which I'd spend my own money and on which I've "spent" friend's money. What does "very close" mean with respect to sound quality differences between the MA3 and the DV2 and what are the differences? By the way, is there a better job in the world than comparing these two DACs over and over? I think not. 

     

    There are three main differences between these two DACs. The differences relate to power, endless reverb delicacy, and smoothness. Based on my experience in my system only, the DV2 has more subjective raw force and power when driving my amps directly. Perhaps this is because (checks notes) it's 7.0/5.0V user selectable output. This difference will greatly depend on one's amplifiers and the use of a preamp if desired. 

     

    Another difference I heard was the DV2's sustain and decay seemed to go on longer with more delicacy, air, and detail than the MA3. When I say more, I don't mean double. This is a subjective "more" that is hard to quantify. It also depends the type of music. Listening to Larry Karush's album May 24, 1976, it was possible to hear this difference easier than say with Eddie Vedder's new album Earthling. 

     

    The biggest difference between the MA3 and DV2 revolves around smoothness and transients. Again, on the album May 24, 1976 this really comes through loud and clear. The opening track, when played through the DV2 can be devastatingly sharp or pointed, not harsh, because that's what's on the track. Through the MA3 this was slightly smoothed over, but in favor of a more organic, fuller sound. I can already envision some of my friends telling me they'd go for the MA3 because this is the sound they prefer. It's a distinction with a big difference if one is a knuckle dragging audiophile like me, but depending on one's musical selections and system it may not be that pronounced. I imagine on some tube based systems, the playing field may be a bit more flattened, bringing the sound of both DACs closer together. 

     

    Circling back to the first track I used in this review, Aoife O'Donnovan's Prodigal Daughter, the DV2 tightened things up just a touch and offered a bit more air across the soundstage. The MA3 offered the smoothness I mentioned, but again, not a colored smoothness like I've experienced with tube amps from Balanced Audio Technology in the past. 

     


    Conclusion 

     

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    The Meitner Audio MA3 Integrated D/A Converter is the beneficiary of decades of R&D, skilled engineers designing flagship products, and mostly cosmetic cost reductions. This DAC really belongs in the EMM Labs lineup, if the considerations are sound quality, who designed it, and where it's manufactured (Canada by the way). We've all heard of manufacturers slapping expensive badges on cheap components, to sell them for much more money. This is a case of the opposite phenomenon. EMM Labs designed its flagship DV2, which I went crazy for, then essentially put it in a less expensive chassis (and scaled back a couple costly items), and called it a Meitner Audio MA3. This is a huge win for high end audio consumers. 

     

    The MA3 is a great sounding DAC, capable of receiving content directly via its Ethernet interface, and driving amplifiers directly without a problem. It offers delicacy, delineated reproduction, and an organic sound that will make listeners smile for years. If you're only satisfied with the best, the EMM Labs DV2 is for you. I highly recommend everyone else consider picking up the MA3, sitting back, turning up the volume, and thinking about what to do with all that cash saved. Speaking of cash, the Meitner Audio MA3 is unequivocally CASH Listed. 

     

     

     

     

    Manufacturer’s comment:

     

    "Our goal with the Meitner Audio MA3 is to bring state of the art audio enjoyment to a wider demographic. We firmly believe that the MA3 is a “welcome to the family” product and audio enthusiasts can be confident owning one for many years to come. Our commitment to Meitner customers is the continual improvement of our designs and the future implementation of software and hardware upgrades to keep the MA3 at the top of the pack. We are humbled and thankful for the accolades and feedback received so far. Especially from the great community at Audiophile Style.

     

    Music... One bit at a time."

     

    -Meitner

     

     

     

     

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    This graph shows the frequency response of my room before (top) and after (bottom) tuning by Mitch Barnett of Accurate Sound. The standard used for this curve is EBU 3276. This tuning can be used with Roon, JRiver, and other apps that accept convolution filters. When evaluating equipment I use my system with and without this tuning engaged. The signal processing takes place in the digital domain before the audio reaches the DAC, thus enabling me to evaluate the components under review without anything changing the signal further downstream. 

     

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    Headphones

     

    My RAAL-requisite SR1a headphones using a convolution filter created my Mitch Barnett of Accurate Sound. The blue trace is the raw measurement and green is the corrected response. Here we bring down the two peaks above the green curve, in addition to smoothing out the response.

     

    Here is an article all about the headphone filter - Taking the SR1a to Another Level

     

     

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    5 minutes ago, bbosler said:

    wow, how timely !

     

    I got my MA3 earlier this week and absolutely love it... but then you sit and wonder if this is so good should I upgrade to a DV2? An extra  $20K is a big leap when you have no ability to audition. So after this review  I'm sticking with the MA3, at least for now.. maybe wait for somebody to dump a used DV2.

     

    with my last DAC I was preferring Roon with HQP up sampling  and Mitch convolution filters inside HQP  into the DAC via the USB port. Now leaning toward no HQP, using the Mitch filters in Roon and using Ethernet

     

     

    That's awesome!

     

    With Meitner and EMM DACs, I've found the same thing. I prefer sending audio to them natively (with or without convolutions filters) and have the proprietary DSP upsample to DSD1024. The MA3 is really a great piece.

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    Cool product and nice review.

     

    Seems like the ideal combination of features to allow one to retire all those other dodads commonly seen in use today leading up to the main Input of the DAC. In this case, assuming one uses the Ethernet Input on the MA3 exclusively.

     

    One question though. Am I understanding correctly that the Eth Input on the MA3 is limited to DSD64 and in order to feed DSD128 you will need to use the USB Input?

     

     

     

     

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    4 minutes ago, cjf said:

    Cool product and nice review.

     

    Seems like the ideal combination of features to allow one to retire all those other dodads commonly seen in use today leading up to the main Input of the DAC. In this case, assuming one uses the Ethernet Input on the MA3 exclusively.

     

    One question though. Am I understanding correctly that the Eth Input on the MA3 is limited to DSD64 and in order to feed DSD128 you will need to use the USB Input?

     

     

     

     

    Thanks cjf.

     

    You are correct on the sample rate support. The reason is that the Conversdigital Ethernet card only supports DSD64 and 192 kHz max. I'm sure Meitner would support higher on that interface if they could.

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    I commend meitner audio for the trickle down strategy.

    The pricing is indeed more approachable but the import tax will ruin it for us europeans.

    I would love NAGRA to do the same on their splendid dacs...

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    I am amazed that any DAC manufacturer is willing to put a computer board in a DAC after the disaster that PS Audio had when they did it. I know Chris said that Schitt would not do it because of the update and support problems it would bring. The high-end guys can do it because they can charge enough to cover the ongoing support

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    15 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    With Meitner and EMM DACs, I've found the same thing. I prefer sending audio to them natively

     

    currently experimenting with and without filters... initial results , very initial, are I prefer without filters. That led me to try the Mconnect iPad app that Meitner recommends, using it with Qobuz  and Tidal instead of Roon. Can't say it is better but the same, and since I am fed up with the quirky issues I experience with Roon as well as paying for the frustration, may be finally dropping Roon. AND you don't need a server as it streams direct from the internet. It also found my NAS 

     

    I used the Roon radio (auto-play) feature a lot as a way to discover new music but for me it keeps going  into a cycle of repeating songs it just played an hour ago. Roon says they are aware and working on it, but I see complaints on their forums going back over 5 years for the same issue so I am giving up on them. Using the Mconnect app you can use the Tidal and Qobuz auto-play feature which tend to repeat the same artists, but not the same songs.

     

    I have hesitated because I will need to rebuild my Roon playlists .. oh well..

     

     

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    3 minutes ago, bbosler said:

     

    currently experimenting with and without filters... initial results , very initial, are I prefer without filters. That led me to try the Mconnect iPad app that Meitner recommends, using it with Qobuz  and Tidal instead of Roon. Can't say it is better but the same, and since I am fed up with the quirky issues I experience with Roon as well as paying for the frustration, may be finally dropping Roon. AND you don't need a server as it streams direct from the internet. It also found my NAS 

     

    I used the Roon radio (auto-play) feature a lot as a way to discover new music but for me it keeps going  into a cycle of repeating songs it just played an hour ago. Roon says they are aware and working on it, but I see complaints on their forums going back over 5 years for the same issue so I am giving up on them. Using the Mconnect app you can use the Tidal and Qobuz auto-play feature which tend to repeat the same artists, but not the same songs.

     

    I have hesitated because I will need to rebuild my Roon playlists .. oh well..

     

     

     

    When @Marcin_gps releases the JPLAY for iOS app, you'll love it. Full local, Qobuz, Tidal content and works with MA3 great. Also has a JPLAY radio feature. 

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    17 hours ago, bbosler said:

    wow, how timely !

     

    I got my MA3 earlier this week and absolutely love it... but then you sit and wonder if this is so good should I upgrade to a DV2? An extra  $20K is a big leap when you have no ability to audition. So after this review  I'm sticking with the MA3, at least for now.. maybe wait for somebody to dump a used DV2.

     

    with my last DAC I was preferring Roon with HQP up sampling  and Mitch convolution filters inside HQP  into the DAC via the USB port. Now leaning toward no HQP, using the Mitch filters in Roon and using Ethernet

     

     

    Let me know when you're ready to "dump" your MA3!

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    I had MA3 on short loan and compared it to the DV2 I had at the time. The MA3 was waaaay brighter and less warm sounding then DV2, sounding more like dCS gear than MSB.

     

    I was disappointed to say at least - I was hoping for a great dCS Bartk alternative (variable volume, Roon Ready Ethernet input) for those that would like a fuller and warmer sound, but it turned out more alike than differen. 

     

     

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    I’m quite happy with my MA3.  It replaced a Berkeley Reference Ser2 MQA.  Both are excellent DACs, but to my ears, in my system, the MA3 had a more natural organic sound, while preserving the detailed sound I got from the Berkeley.  Ergonomically, the MA3 is a more modern, easier to use product with full Roon integration via the Net input, that also sounds great.  Absolutely a home run by Ed and his team.  

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    1 minute ago, pga said:

    Absolutely a home run by Ed and his team.  

    Agree. It’s about building the right product, and this is it. 

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    Thank you for introducing me to the word “wherewithal”. 

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    On 3/4/2022 at 11:49 AM, The Computer Audiophile said:

     

    When @Marcin_gps releases the JPLAY for iOS app, you'll love it. Full local, Qobuz, Tidal content and works with MA3 great. Also has a JPLAY radio feature. 

    When. Yes. But WHEN?! 

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    On 3/4/2022 at 2:52 PM, Elberoth said:

    The MA3 was waaaay brighter and less warm sounding then DV2, sounding more like dCS gear than MSB


    I don’t have a DV2 to compare, but bright is not a word that comes to mind when I’m  listening to the MA3

     

     

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    29 minutes ago, bbosler said:


    I don’t have a DV2 to compare, but bright is not a word that comes to mind when I’m  listening to the MA3

     

     

    I have both units sitting next to each other. Neither unit is bright in my system, whether using convolution or not. 

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    On 3/4/2022 at 8:52 PM, Elberoth said:

    I had MA3 on short loan and compared it to the DV2 I had at the time. The MA3 was waaaay brighter and less warm sounding then DV2, sounding more like dCS gear than MSB.

     

    I was disappointed to say at least - I was hoping for a great dCS Bartk alternative (variable volume, Roon Ready Ethernet input) for those that would like a fuller and warmer sound, but it turned out more alike than differen. 

     

     

    Hi Elberoth, could you please share with us the rest of the system?

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    MA3 is not the least bit bright in my system with TAD R1s, that tend to be very sensitive to anything bright.  I would say the treble is the most natural, analogue like that I’ve heard at home.  

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    Awesome review Chris - this is my second experience with Meitner's designs, the first being his DS-EQ1 optical cartridge decoder which I have been using since the better part of early last year. To say that optical cartridges - DS Audio - have recalibrated my thoughts on just what is really possible with analog playback would be akin to saying digital is digital. 

     

    Thus, when I was then presented with the MA3, I knew I would be in for something special, which indeed it turned out to be. The "little" MA3 is an absolutely fabulous all in one DAC/streamer, with sonic qualities far above its price point and in many ways very much similar to the DS-EQ1 sound. Punchy, live, dynamic, resolving, musical... 

     

    Video review in the works... way over due in fact. Cheers!

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    Hello - purchased this DAC recently to replace my PS Audio Directstream Sr. I am really enjoying it. In my system it is a tad bright but I have tamed that a bit with isolation. But while having that sonic signature it also brings incredible sound stage/timbre/separation of instruments. Instruments just sound right (not to quote a conrad-johnson tag line :D )

     

    Curious about the digital vol level to use when utilizing a preamp. Does everyone using it this way run it full out at 100?

     

    Thank you

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    1 minute ago, FrankMA said:

    Curious about the digital vol level to use when utilizing a preamp. Does everyone using it this way run it full out at 100?

    Yes, run it at 100 when using another preamp.

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    Thanks for the great review @The Computer Audiophile. I was considering folding my streamer/DAC/preamp into one unit and the MA3 came up in several threads. Well I just setup my newly acquired used unit, and blown away. One Ethernet cable and done using Roon. 
     

    it replaced my:

    Lumin U1 Mini with sbooster LPS

    Audio Mirror Tubadour III SE DAC

    JCAT USB cable

    Custom built Slagle autoformer preamp

     

    i absolutely loved my Audio Mirror DAC (R2R NOS based on AD1865N-K) and tried lots of other dacs, but the MA3 finally beat it. 
     

    one question I had. I use Roon exclusively but just tried Mconnect on iPad. It said there was a firmware update. Current was 3.9.19, what is the latest version? Why can you not find any details online about it? I’m hesitant to upgrade it as I’ve experienced a bricked product before updating firmware and since my MA3 is working fine didn’t want to risk it. 

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