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    An Audiophile And A Subwoofer | The Wilson Audio Lōkē

     

     

    I have a love-hate relationship with subwoofers. When I hear them properly setup, I get the warm fuzzies listening to my favorite music. Subwoofers provide a sense of space, and both subtle and impactful presence to music. Subwoofers reproduce music that many people don't realize is present on their favorite recordings. However, I've always been extremely hesitant to embrace subwoofers. One reason is that I've never taken time to understand them thoroughly. Another is that poor subwoofer execution can ruin music in an instant. Perhaps the biggest issue for me has been an internal one. I have an ingrained sense that subwoofers are for home theaters, not audiophile endeavors. Logically I know this is nonsense, as I've heard some incredible systems using subwoofers to take them to otherwise unachievable heights. The tough part over the years has been truly convincing myself that it's not only OK to use subwoofers, but it's preferable in many systems. 

     

     

    Finally Interested In Subwoofers

     

    My first two cars had incredible aftermarket stereo systems, including subwoofers. My old desktop computers had subwoofers, including the long running Klipsch 2.1 ProMedia speaker system. But, none of those systems count. They were really fun, but more on the level of a hyper vivid, high dynamic range photograph, than a system capable of accurate reproduction. 

     

    In a way, subwoofers have always been a strange beast to me, kind of like turntables. I'll configure any music server or 12 channel immersive audio system in my sleep, but present me with a subwoofer and I get nervous looking at "all" the settings. I'm well aware that's ridiculous, or as Metallica put it, "Sad But True." It has been my reality forever though. I guess we all have limits and interests. Without an interest in subwoofers over the years, I never took the time to learn much about them. I listened to systems with them, but that's it. 

     

    The tide started turning for me shortly after October 2021, when I reviewed the Wilson Audio TuneTot loudspeakers. The TuneTots reproduce music down to about 65 Hz. I loved those speakers and thought the 65 Hz bottom end was sufficient, especially because the speakers were reinforced by a rear wall behind my desk. No need for a subwoofer, or so I thought.

     

    Then I was contacted by Wilson Audio to discuss a new subwoofer that was soon to be released, named Lōkē. I'd heard Wilson subwoofers many times and loved what they did for music, but the commitment was always more than I could stomach. The subwoofers were all passive models, requiring external amplification and crossover. For those with the means and space, I highly encourage looking into those models. Given my subwoofer hesitance, there was no way I was going the passive subwoofer route, even if the benefits were huge. I just couldn't do it. Walking before running is always wise.

     

    When Wilson told me the new subwoofer was an active model, the wheels in my head started turning. Pairing the new sub with the TuneTots could be very nice. In addition, my ideas surrounding immersive audio were starting to solidify and I knew a subwoofer would be required for such a system. This gave me two solid reasons to bring in the new subwoofer, and give it a spin. To be honest, if the TuneTots weren't here and I didn't have immersive audio dreams, I likely would've passed on the Lōkē. Again, that's my bias against subwoofers rearing its ugly head, rather than a decision based on knowledge and experience. 

     

    The Lōkē was scheduled to be shipped, once a production unit was ready, and I started researching subwoofers a bit more. 

     

     

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    A Low-key Arrival

     

    The Lōkē arrived with far less fanfare than a thousand pounds of speakers for an Atmos music system, and I was thankful for that. The unit weighs 110 lbs, but I managed to get it up to my listening room without calling Manny's Piano Movers. I took one step at a time, and moved very slowly. Once at the top of the stairs, I wheeled it into position and cracked open the manual. In typical Wilson fashion, the manual is thorough, even though it's rarely needed because Wilson dealers handle everything from delivery to setup. I understood the broad strokes of adjusting the volume and selecting the low pass filter between 30 Hz and 125 Hz.

     

    To help me understand the rest of the Lōkē, I called Wilson's Peter McGrath. I'd watched Peter setup Wilson passive subwoofers previously, and knew he could walk me through the details and options of the Lōkē. Peter explained everything to me, and more importantly why I'd want to use each option. After the call, I started listening to music and adjusting the settings. I was soon in over my head and trying to adjust the variable phase, based on some crazy method I read about online. 

     

    After a few days and conversations with others, I confirmed that subwoofers are my kryptonite. The only thing I could do was recognize my limitations, and proceed as a music lover rather than someone with a full technical understanding of the product and experience. In a way, this is when the fun began and the subwoofer apprehension ceased. I also felt like I did when I first got into this wonderful hobby. Before I understood anything about anything, and I could just listen. 

     


    The System(s)

     

    Wilson Audio Loke in Listening Room.jpegI initially setup the Lōkē subwoofer with my desktop system. I switched between a Constellation Audio Inspiration integrated amplifier, and a Schiit Audio Ragnarok 2 integrated amplifier. Both units feature speaker outputs for the TuneTots, and balanced XLR outputs that I connected to the Lōkē. The Schiit Ragnarok 2 also features a built-in DAC, which made the connection to my desktop computer really simple.

     

    I left most settings on the Lōkē at their defaults. The only items I adjusted were the main volume and the low pass filter. Based on my somewhat limited subwoofer experience, I've always enjoyed systems where I didn't even realize a subwoofer was present, until I heard or felt an unmistakable bottom end foundation. With this in mind, I set the low pass filter on the Lōkē to 65 Hz, the point at which the TuneTots should hand off low frequency duties to the subwoofer. 

     

    The Lōkē configuration is done via the back panel, but I've been told it's possible to use this Windows application for full control of the unit. The app could come in very handy for those with the Lōkē installed close to a wall, and a PC in close proximity. The app is supplied by Dayton Audio, which manufactures the amplifier used in the Lōkē. 


    I talked to a couple Wilson Audio representatives about the use of Dayton Audio parts in the Lōkē. What I heard was 1. This amp is bulletproof and was unfazed by incredibly rigorous testing by the Wilson Audio Special Applications Engineering team and 2. If Wilson Audio built this amp in-house, in relatively low quantities, the cost of the Lōkē would've been far higher, without additional benefit to the customer. 

     

    Once the Lōkē was minimally configured next to my desk, I fired up Audirvana and streamed some Big Head Todd and the Monsters. The 1993 album Sister Sweetly is a classic, not only because of its great music, but I love bassist Rob Squires' groove and the foundation he lays on every track. Listening to the opening track, Broken Hearted Savior, I immediately felt enveloped by the bottom end. Most importantly, the bass was tight, and right inline with the rest of the band. The Lōkē was serving the music beautifully, not calling attention to itself like the gentleman next to me at the stoplight a few days ago. 

     

    After jumping to a few tracks and albums, I knew I couldn't un-ring the subwoofer bell. I'd heard it in my own room, and there was no going back. Maybe this was one of my issues all along. I knew I'd "need" a subwoofer once I'd heard one in my own room. Seriously, adding the Lōkē wasn't a subtle change. It reproduced music I otherwise couldn't have heard or felt in this system. I'm not talking about a super tweeter that reproduces audio for bats. The impact of a subwoofer, such as the Lōkē, can't be missed.

     

    A few months later, Peter McGrath and Tyler Hall from Wilson Audio visited me to setup my new Alexia V loudspeakers and the rest of my 12 channel immersive audio system, including the Lōkē. The Lōkē has two balanced XLR inputs, so I could technically leave it connected to my desktop and immersive audio systems simultaneously, but the purist in me has to separate the two. I kept the Lōkē in the same position, and connected it to the Merging Technologies HAPI Mk2 DAC that I use for Atmos music. 

     

    Unlike with my desktop system, I used Audiolense to measure my immersive system's in room response. To my amazement, the Wilson Audio Lōkē went down to 14 Hz in my room! Wow, I couldn't believe it. I thought it would bottom out closer to 20 Hz, and be more important for the desktop system, than the immersive system with Alexia Vs that go down to 19 Hz. This was a nice surprise.

     

    I've spoken with several people about subwoofers lately, and without fail, every one of them says a system should have more than one subwoofer. My system has a single Lōkē, for now. I'm not opposed to dual Lōkē, but I need to walk before I run. In addition, Atmos music uses the LFE channel differently from typical bass management use cases. The LFE channel is a specific output to which a mixing engineer can send low frequency effects, not a channel to be used for all bass frequencies below a certain threshold. In Atmos music mixes, the LFE channel is frequently bereft of much content for two reasons, 1. Most music doesn't contain low frequency effects, and 2. When an Atmos mix is rendered to systems without an LFE channel (headphones), the LFE content is completely removed rather than folded into the remaining channels. I used the word "frequently" because it's often the case, but not always. Some Atmos mixes contain a very healthy amount of LFE content, and in these cases the Lōkē is stellar. 

     

    Nonetheless, I have a spot along the opposite wall of my listening room, where a second Lōkē could rest comfortably. I'm told the sense of space that a second subwoofer adds to a system is very nice. Someday I'll get there, but I'm enjoying what I have right now so much that I don't want to make a single change. Everything from the LA Philharmonic playing Le Sacre du Printemps to George Harrison's All Things Must Pass to the exquisite immersive albums from Morten Lindberg at 2L, sounds stunning in my room, with a single Lōkē. The subwoofer is most certainly there, but it doesn't overpower or stand out like the redheaded audio stepchild subwoofers that have turned me off previously. The Lōkē is low-key, and that's how I like it. 

     


    Wrap Up

     

    I must repeat that I've never had a "real" subwoofer in my listening room, until the Lōkē arrived. Therefore, I can't honestly report that the Lōkē is the best subwoofer on the market. I can say that it's the best subwoofer I've ever had in my system and it will never leave this listening room. Throw the shipping crate away, this one is here for good. I have no subwoofer to which I can directly compare the Lōkē, but from my perspective this leads to a different and very valid comparison. I've always been anti-subwoofer, for all the aforementioned reasons. My comparison is between my systems without a subwoofer and my systems with a subwoofer. In a way, I want to know if a subwoofer is right for me, not which subwoofer is right for me. The first question must be answered before the second can even be considered.

     

    In my case, I elect to use Wilson Audio loudspeakers because the company's service, support, and products are second to none. Wilson is the gold standard. The Wilson Audio Lōkē is the perfect match for me, and my subwoofer apprehension. The commitment required for an active subwoofer is next to nothing, compared to that of a passive subwoofer. I must also mention the build quality and perfect color match between the Lōkē and my eight Wilson Audio Alida speakers is absolutely perfect. A Lōkē in my listening room looks and sounds like it belongs here. 

     

    Prior to listening with the Lōkē, I thought, can't everyone just use a pair of passive loudspeakers with zero settings, straightforward placement options, and call it a day? I guess they could, but they'd be missing out on a lot of music and enjoyment. How can one faithfully reproduce what's on the recording, without the proper hardware. Nobody would suggest saving money and space by removing the tweeter from a loudspeaker. Yet, those without a proper subwoofer are doing just that, on the other end of the frequency spectrum. 

     


     

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    A week or so ago when visiting a member of the family I was again reminded of why subwoofers are normally useless. Okay, very low cost setup, and hadn't been given any attention to - but, was extremely annoying to listen to. Set to very low, background volume, but, you either heard some faint music, or, you heard the subwoofer rumbling - two completely distinct activities, with seemingly no connection between them ... it almost got to the point where it was like waiting for the dentist drill to contact, when is that damn thing going to start throbbing again ...

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    Welcome to the dark side, Chris!  I hope in the future you're able to compare the Loke to others.  One of the things that's tough about subwoofer reviews is that virtually all of them pit the subwoofer against no subwoofer, as you've done.  But for those who are most interested in subwoofers, the conclusion of sub vs none is known in advance.  It would be awesome to know how Loke delivers vs JL, REL, et al

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    DRC, subwoofer integration, good to see your insights evolving!

     

    Placement, crossover frequencies and filters, multiple subwoofers are variables with which you can experiment endlessly. It is also essential that you get the timing/phase between the mains and the sub(s) exactly right at the listening position.

     

    After a lot of measuring but also listening, the optimum in my setup is a crossover point of 64 Hz and a (quite steep) 4th order Linkwitz-Riley filter.

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    With only one 10 inch driver in the Loke I expect it won’t be too long before you end up with more than one subwoofer in your system. 
    I’m sure Mitch will be able to do a great job of integration of the subwoofer with a new 2 way AL filter. 
    Mark

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    Over priced, ported, under sized driver and low powered. Doing yourself a massive disservice with this sub. You actually need two minimum and at least 12 inch drivers with 1000 watts or more and sealed. You could squeeze two JL Audio 12's in for this retail price. Anyway it is what it is, you didn't pay retail so it doesn't matter. Sub woofers are essential and always have been they improve the midrange and high frequencies. Sealed subs have always been cleaner sounding to my ears. Ported are trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear!!!

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    4 hours ago, robocop said:

    Over priced, ported, under sized driver and low powered. Doing yourself a massive disservice with this sub. You actually need two minimum and at least 12 inch drivers with 1000 watts or more and sealed. You could squeeze two JL Audio 12's in for this retail price. Anyway it is what it is, you didn't pay retail so it doesn't matter. Sub woofers are essential and always have been they improve the midrange and high frequencies. Sealed subs have always been cleaner sounding to my ears. Ported are trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear!!!

    Did you see the measurements in my room?

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    12 hours ago, robocop said:

    Over priced, ported, under sized driver and low powered. Doing yourself a massive disservice with this sub. You actually need two minimum and at least 12 inch drivers with 1000 watts or more and sealed. You could squeeze two JL Audio 12's in for this retail price. Anyway it is what it is, you didn't pay retail so it doesn't matter. Sub woofers are essential and always have been they improve the midrange and high frequencies. Sealed subs have always been cleaner sounding to my ears. Ported are trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear!!!

     

    Visited a setup that had all of that, only lacking the 1000 watts driving power. But used a DEQX to 'perfect' the FR - and the bass frequencies were extremely clean, as demonstrated when a frequency sweep went down to the depths and back out again. Did it create, audio nirvana? Nope ... miles from it - if what's happening elsewhere in the spectrum has issues then you still don't get good listening ...

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    I have loved the Zu Audio Undertone since I received it years ago. It has lived on in every speaker based system since then.

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    On 12/10/2022 at 4:33 AM, robocop said:

    Over priced, ported, under sized driver and low powered. Doing yourself a massive disservice with this sub. You actually need two minimum and at least 12 inch drivers with 1000 watts or more and sealed. You could squeeze two JL Audio 12's in for this retail price. 

    I'm not a technical person, but aren't both of these points really a function of room size?  In general--isn't our optimum size for a sub one (or two) that will pressurize the room without the giant waves bouncing off the walls too much?  On comparisons to other subs--Wilsons are always high priced when we are just comparing hardware, but they are still a great value in terms of sonics.  So if one's room is below some certain size--isn't it the case that certain other attributes would enable it to sound better than the pair of JLs?

     

    Just to be clear--not pushing back just for fun here--I am in the market to upgrade sub from B&W DB3D and am considering, Loke, JL Fathom, and B&W DB1D.  I am not price-sensitive, but probably need to stick to one sub (for my wife).  To be paired with Wilson Tune Tots and McIntosh MC275, room is 17' x 30'.  Sound is currently excellent at low to medium volume, becomes muddy at high volume.  (Floor standers not an option)  Thanks

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    @The Computer Audiophile, you of course know that I use two GoldenEar SuperSub XXLs in my system, and you’ve heard them as optimized via Audiolense XO by Mitch. And I’ve heard the (terrific sounding) Lōkē on your (terrific sounding) system, as optimized as well by Mitch. You know my opinion that, particularly for rock, a second Lōkē in your system would, well, rock even more.  JCR  

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    Thanks for the review. I’m very interested in a pair of Loke, together with my Brinkmann pre and mono power amp, a pair of Sasha DAW AND a AV amp. 
    The AV amp is bypassing the front channels to L and R of pre amp. 
    My question is, after connecting the L and R Loke to the respective output from the preamp, can I still connect the LFE from the AV amp to the remaining input of the subwoofer (as there are 2, L and R, balanced or unbalanced inputs)?

     

    Many thanks. 
    Clement 

     

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    12 hours ago, Clement said:

    Thanks for the review. I’m very interested in a pair of Loke, together with my Brinkmann pre and mono power amp, a pair of Sasha DAW AND a AV amp. 
    The AV amp is bypassing the front channels to L and R of pre amp. 
    My question is, after connecting the L and R Loke to the respective output from the preamp, can I still connect the LFE from the AV amp to the remaining input of the subwoofer (as there are 2, L and R, balanced or unbalanced inputs)?

     

    Many thanks. 
    Clement 

     

    Hi Clement, both inputs are active, so unless your equipment actively determines the output, you will likely have a poor experience because LōKē would be getting a signal in both inputs.  Ideally, LōKē is either or, not both.

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    11 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Like low key. 

     

    OK, I couldn't find the part where Clouseau says "I am Mr. Lo Kee," but this is classic anyway: 

     

     

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    On 12/10/2022 at 9:08 AM, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Did you see the measurements in my room?

    Just becasue you received those measurements doesn't mean that the other comment was incorrect. 

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    11 minutes ago, mesonto said:

    Just becasue you received those measurements doesn't mean that the other comment was incorrect. 

     

    OK, let's go over the comment.

     

     

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    Over priced, ported, under sized driver and low powered. Doing yourself a massive disservice with this sub. You actually need two minimum and at least 12 inch drivers with 1000 watts or more and sealed.

     

    There is no basis for these sentences. Why would I need that, if I'm getting bass down to 14Hz that's accurate? I'm open to all factual information.

     

     

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    You could squeeze two JL Audio 12's in for this retail price.

     

    I'm uninsterested in squeezing more of anything just because more is seemingly better. Without the "why" I don't understand. I also don't believe I have the phase issues inherent in such a dual JL solution.

     

     

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    Anyway it is what it is, you didn't pay retail so it doesn't matter. Sub woofers are essential and always have been they improve the midrange and high frequencies.

     

    What is meant by "they improve the midrange and high frequencies?" I don't understand this.

     

     

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    Sealed subs have always been cleaner sounding to my ears.

     

    No problems at all. We all like what we like and only a fool would argue against one's subjective taste. 

     

     

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    Ported are trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear!!!

     

    How so? What would a sealed enclosure get me in my system that I don't already have? Not looking for theory, but actual real details.

     

     

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    No problem, but you sound a bit intractable already:

     

    "Over priced, ported, under sized driver and low powered." - absolutely for what it is,

    "Doing yourself a massive disservice with this sub. You actually need two minimum and at least 12 inch drivers with 1000 watts or more and sealed." - 2 12 inch drivers would get you there as well, but sealed would get you there with no port huffing, no matter how it was designed.

    "You could squeeze two JL Audio 12's in for this retail price." - absolutely true, and with dual woofers you will get more even coverage... just look this one up yourself. Even 4 will be better with less effort, but now we are trying to find room for them.

    "Anyway it is what it is, you didn't pay retail so it doesn't matter. Sub woofers are essential and always have been they improve the midrange and high frequencies." - very true, allows your L&R to relax, your subs are now in their best supporting role.

    "Sealed subs have always been cleaner sounding to my ears." Sealed subs are usually better for everyone's ears.

    "Ported are trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear!!!" - I get it but not worth defending.

     

    Hey if you cannot hear the difference or most likely haven't experimentated enough I get it. You love your Loke, great for you. Cheers!

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    18 minutes ago, mesonto said:

    No problem, but you sound a bit intractable already:

     

    "Over priced, ported, under sized driver and low powered." - absolutely for what it is,

    "Doing yourself a massive disservice with this sub. You actually need two minimum and at least 12 inch drivers with 1000 watts or more and sealed." - 2 12 inch drivers would get you there as well, but sealed would get you there with no port huffing, no matter how it was designed.

    "You could squeeze two JL Audio 12's in for this retail price." - absolutely true, and with dual woofers you will get more even coverage... just look this one up yourself. Even 4 will be better with less effort, but now we are trying to find room for them.

    "Anyway it is what it is, you didn't pay retail so it doesn't matter. Sub woofers are essential and always have been they improve the midrange and high frequencies." - very true, allows your L&R to relax, your subs are now in their best supporting role.

    "Sealed subs have always been cleaner sounding to my ears." Sealed subs are usually better for everyone's ears.

    "Ported are trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear!!!" - I get it but not worth defending.

     

    Hey if you cannot hear the difference or most likely haven't experimentated enough I get it. You love your Loke, great for you. Cheers!

     

    I hoped for actual information helping me and others understand why the initial comments were supposedly true. I don't see anything in your comments, other than it's true because I say it is.

     

    At the listening position, I'm getting 14Hz bass that measures great. What is meant by "more even coverage?" Does this mean in other locations in the room, where I don't listen?

     

    What is the benefit of "Even 4 will be better with less effort?" My single sub isn't overworked, and this is evidenced by both objective and subjective results. 

     

     

    I have no clue what is meant by, "very true, allows your L&R to relax, your subs are now in their best supporting role." My left and right are objectively and subjectively reproducing audio as designed. What do you mean by relax? What would improve if the speakers were relaxed? The subwoofer reproduces the frequencies it's supposed to reproduce, just lke the left and right speakers. 

     

     

     

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    7 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

     

    I hoped for actual information helping me and others understand why the initial comments were supposedly true. I don't see anything in your comments, other than it's true because I say it is.

     

    At the listening position, I'm getting 14Hz bass that measures great. What is meant by "more even coverage?" Does this mean in other locations in the room, where I don't listen?

     

    What is the benefit of "Even 4 will be better with less effort?" My single sub isn't overworked, and this is evidenced by both objective and subjective results. 

     

     

    I have no clue what is meant by, "very true, allows your L&R to relax, your subs are now in their best supporting role." My left and right are objectively and subjectively reproducing audio as designed. What do you mean by relax? What would improve if the speakers were relaxed? The subwoofer reproduces the frequencies it's supposed to reproduce, just lke the left and right speakers.

     

    Again, I cannot fault you for not hearing other configurations, it is what it is. So if you are happy with it, and you have the money and you wish to stick to this brand, utterly fantastic!

     

    But what the initial commenatator said is still valid. I believe what they were refering to "Over priced, ported, under sized driver..." was that the Loke is simply way overpriced for the value this woofer brings. Double the subs and you can expect less nulls from frequency interference in the room which will give you a larger listening area, and a sealed will most always exhibit tighter more layered less monotone "one note" sound.  And yes this is one over-priced sub for sure. A larger driver can generally push more air albeit not as quickly... is this the type of information you were looking for? It's pretty basic stuff.

     

    But please feel free to experiment yourself, look things up, visit a showroom that you are familiar with, etc. 

     

    As for the comment "I hoped for actual information helping me and others understand why the initial comments were supposedly true. I don't see anything in your comments, other than it's true because I say it is." -- don't be lazy, there are many papers and listening tests out there, easily at your fingertips. (I say this kindly as possible)

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    9 minutes ago, mesonto said:

     

    Again, I cannot fault you for not hearing other configurations, it is what it is. So if you are happy with it, and you have the money and you wish to stick to this brand, utterly fantastic!

     

    But what the initial commenatator said is still valid. I believe what they were refering to "Over priced, ported, under sized driver..." was that the Loke is simply way overpriced for the value this woofer brings. Double the subs and you can expect less nulls from frequency interference in the room which will give you a larger listening area, and a sealed will most always exhibit tighter more layered less monotone "one note" sound.  And yes this is one over-priced sub for sure. A larger driver can generally push more air albeit not as quickly... is this the type of information you were looking for? It's pretty basic stuff.

     

    But please feel free to experiment yourself, look things up, visit a showroom that you are familiar with, etc. 

     

    As for the comment "I hoped for actual information helping me and others understand why the initial comments were supposedly true. I don't see anything in your comments, other than it's true because I say it is." -- don't be lazy, there are many papers and listening tests out there, easily at your fingertips. (I say this kindly as possible)

     

    circulus in probando

     

    Value is inherantly subjective. You're continued argument about value falls on deaf ears. 

     

    I see we've moved on to less nulls rather than a relaxed loudspeaker. OK, that's useful. Can you show me where the nulls are in my system that "double the subs" would get rid of? The measurements are provided. 

     

    It seems like you haven't seen the measurements of my system. Do you see loose, monotone, one note bass that could be improved by a sealed cabinet? 

     

    Physics says a larger subwoofer can push more air. How much air is supposed to be pushed in my room? Is more always better? Can more just be more? Why would I want more air being pushed, if the sub I have measures and souds great?

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    42 minutes ago, mesonto said:

     

    Again, I cannot fault you for not hearing other configurations, it is what it is. So if you are happy with it, and you have the money and you wish to stick to this brand, utterly fantastic!

     

    But what the initial commenatator said is still valid. I believe what they were refering to "Over priced, ported, under sized driver..." was that the Loke is simply way overpriced for the value this woofer brings. Double the subs and you can expect less nulls from frequency interference in the room which will give you a larger listening area, and a sealed will most always exhibit tighter more layered less monotone "one note" sound.  And yes this is one over-priced sub for sure. A larger driver can generally push more air albeit not as quickly... is this the type of information you were looking for? It's pretty basic stuff.

     

    But please feel free to experiment yourself, look things up, visit a showroom that you are familiar with, etc. 

     

    As for the comment "I hoped for actual information helping me and others understand why the initial comments were supposedly true. I don't see anything in your comments, other than it's true because I say it is." -- don't be lazy, there are many papers and listening tests out there, easily at your fingertips. (I say this kindly as possible)

     

    To put it plainly and specifically:

     

    - What we have for Chris is detailed information about his room setup; detailed information about the expertise of the people who helped him with that setup; and detailed measurements of the results of that setup, before and after room response DSP is applied.

     

    - Since you presumably don't have access to Chris's room, what we would need for reliable evidence of what you say would be detailed information about a room setup (yours or anyone else's you have available) for Chris's subwoofer and the one you say is much better; detailed information about the expertise of the people who did that setup, so we know the subs are each set up to best advantage; and detailed measurements of the results, before and after room response DSP so we can understand how these subs perform with and without it.

     

    Do you have that information or can you provide it?

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    I will also add to this discussion that my recent experience listening to Magnificat 10 channel DXD has lead me to believe a second subwoofer in my room would balance the sound of this bass because I believe I can localize the sound of my subwoofer on this album. The bass is accurate, but comes from the right side of the room, contrary to popular belief that low frequencies can be localized. I think a second subwoofer, on the left side, would provide this balance. I don't believe it would do anything to the actual frequencies heard in my room because it's all run through room correction. 

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