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    Sonore microRendu Review, Part 1

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    In mid 2014 I received a call from Sonore's Jesus R. He wanted to discuss an idea. Jesus and his team had decided they needed to move the needle, in a huge way, with respect to computer audio playback. They had built, sold, and supported custom high end music servers for years, but were ready to innovate beyond this somewhat traditional approach. Jesus told me they wanted to design and build both the hardware and software for a tiny microcomputer the size of a credit card, that had a single purpose, to reproduce the best sound quality possible. Then he semi-jokingly asked me if I knew anyone with really deep pockets who'd like to bankroll the endeavor. At the end of our lengthy conversation I concluded that this was another great idea that would never come to fruition because it was simply cost prohibitive for a boutique manufacturer.

     

    Fast forward to summer 2015, when I received an email from Jesus with the subject, code name = Toaster. The first two sentences said, "For your eyes only. The small board goes on top of the larger board and it's to scale if you want to print it." Attached was the schematic for prototype units numbered 1, 2, and 3 that were already being made as I read the email. I was pleasantly surprised to say the least. Jesus and his team had successfully pulled off the initial hardware design phase of a project I never thought would see the light of day.

     

    Seeing a product brought to life from its infancy was pretty cool, at least for me. Readers putting two and two together are probably asking what happened from mid 2014 to mid 2015 to the end of April 2016. As anyone with knowledge of hardware design, prototyping, software development and testing, and sourcing components can tell you, there are more trials and tribulations involved in bringing a high precision product to market than Joe Sixpack could ever imagine. But, that's an interesting story for another time. Today, April 28, 2016 marks the launch of the highly anticipated custom designed Sonore microRendu, a purpose-built audiophile microcomputer designed to unprecedentedly process USB audio. [PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]

     

     

    The Team

     

    I want to take one step back before diving into the microRendu because it's important to understand who brought this from an idea to a purchasable product. The microRendu came about through a collaboration between Sonore by simple Design, Small Green Computer and JS Electronics. All three entities have been very active in the development of high quality computer audio for many years. Members of the Computer Audiophile Community are likely well aware of Sonore's products (music servers, signature Rendu, high quality customer support, etc...) and perhaps are as familiar with the Small Green Computer products developed by Andrew Gillis, namely Vortexbox. What most people are completely oblivious to is the fact that Jesus from Sonore and Andrew from Small Green Computer have worked tirelessly behind the scenes with software developers to improve high quality Linux based audio playback. The two have worked for years, herding cats and influencing without authority, to get a global cast of characters to update, adapt, and improve their individually or group maintained Linux software packages. Many improvements to UPnP, DLNA, LMS, MPD, and DSD playback have been driven by Jesus and Andrew, without seeking applause from the countless companies and end users worldwide who have benefited form this work. Then there's "Mr. Wizard", John Swenson. If you want to feel uninteresting and undereducated, have dinner with John. I did at Rocky Mountain Audiofest 2015 and walked away thinking he is one of the smartest people I've ever met, certainly the biggest Shakespeare fan I've ever met, and one of the nicest guys I've ever met. John has been building and designing audio components for decades, including his first DAC that was a whole 4 bits. Around 2000 John started digging deep into computer audio, sound cards, USB DACs, and Linux systems. He has designed some great products over the years, most recently the UpTone Audio JS-2 power supply and the USB REGEN. To pay the bills John has worked at a very large semiconductor company for over thirty years, designing power networks inside custom chips that are used in many devices we depend on every day and the internal circuitry of these chips effects the surrounding components. Trust me, it's way more complicated than that layman's description, but just remember John has likely forgotten more that most of us will ever know.

     

    All three came together to produce the Sonore microRendu. To oversimplify things, you could say Andrew developed the software, John developed the hardware, and Jesus managed the entire project and handled QC. The gritty details are much more intertwined than that description, but the general gist of it holds true.

     

     

     

    What Is The microRendu?

     

     

    To say the microRendu is a computer or microcomputer is true but it's also a bit misleading and may lead to miscategorization. People like to categorize and group things in order to better "understand" them. This is human nature, but it may lead to placement of the microRendu in the same category as Macs and PCs or custom music servers. The microRendu is in a category all by itself. Sure it contains a CPU, RAM, USB, Ethernet, etc..., but that's where the similarities end. The microRendu is a combination of software and hardware, designed to work in concert, to keep processing and ground plane noise a low as possible, while receiving audio over Ethernet and outputting audio over USB to deliver the best possible signal to a digital to analog converter. The end goal is to reproduce the best sound quality possible. How it accomplishes this goal is discussed below in great detail.

     

    First, let's look at this from a more general perspective.

     

    Input bread, depress lever, wait, receive toasted bread. Toasters are dead simple and work every time. Thus, the microRendu's code name of Toaster. Not only must the microRendu produce sonically, it was designed to function like a toaster. Connect to network, play music, hear music. At least that was the idea, and based on my extensive testing, the microRendu is the configurable toaster of computer audio.

     

    The microRendu has a single audio input (Ethernet) and a single audio output (USB). Installation entails connecting the unit to your network and to a USB DAC (or D to D converter like the Berkeley Alpha USB) and powering it up (power options discussed later as well). Configuration, calling it that is a stretch, is done via a web browser by selecting one of about five audio output modes. There are other options that may be necessary depending on one's desired use of the unit, but for the most part it works like a toaster.

     

    I'm sure some readers are wondering why they'd ever need the microRendu or wondering how they might use it in different scenarios. I get it, these same questions were popular when USB DACs entered the market. People used to say, "Why use a computer, can't I just use my CD/SACD player?" The answer is, you can stick with the status quo if that feels more comfortable. You don't need the microRendu in the same sense that you need food and water, but I believe many people reading this will very much want a microRendu. Here are five scenarios where the microRendu really shines.

     

    1. Simplification in combination with sound quality. These two don't often go hand in hand, but the microRendu makes this possible. Currently many people are using a NAS for storage of TBs worth of local music and a music server (Mac Mini, PC, CAPS, etc...) connected via USB to their audio systems. Control is frequently handled by an iOS or Android device. Inserting the microRendu into this chain enables one to remove the music server entirely. This simplifies the audio chain and removes the maintenance and cost of an "extra" computer and all its accessories. The new playback path is simply NAS to microRendu to audio system. All controlled by the an iOS or Android device.

     

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    2. A few people in the industry frequently talk about removing the computer from the listening room. Whether this is because their computers are noisy or they just don't like having computers in their listening rooms, that's beside the point. They just don't want one, but they still want all the benefits of using a music server. In essence, the microRendu takes care of this issue. Even though it's really another computer, it's more appropriate to think of it like an audiophile appliance. Once installed, it just works without requiring maintenance. One example of this scenario is the person who has a music server with a few TBs of internal storage sitting in his audio rack and connected to his USB DAC. Maybe the server runs JRiver Media Center or Roon, and it's controlled by an iOS or Android device. This music server can now be placed in any other room of the house, as long as it's network connected, and send audio to the microRendu that is dropped right into the system where the music server was located. Same Ethernet input and same USB output, but now the "computer" has been removed form the audio room and I'm willing to bet the sound quality is even better.

     

    3. Many audiophiles have components with AES, S/PDIF, or USB inputs and they wish they had an Ethernet interface for sending audio the network. Based on the cost of replacing one's component(s) to get that Ethernet interface or the fact that they may have to switch to an inferior product just to get a networkable component, I don't think many people are lining up at HiFi shops to get this functionality if they are already down the non-networkable road. This is where the microRendu comes into play. Connect a microRendu to a USB DAC or D to D converter and one instantly has a networkable audio system. No need to replace one's favorite DAC with something of lesser quality or greater price, when all that's needed is a microRendu.

     

    4. High quality multi-room audio. Using multiple microRendus connected to any number of USB audio devices in different locations throughout one's house is a great way to get the highest of resolutions to almost any system. Streaming 24 bit / 192 kHz or DSD256 to the same or different microRendus is a piece of cake. Use Roon or JRemote for music selection and control of each zone and call it a day.

     

    5. Audiophiles want the best sounding playback system they can afford. Based on my functionality tests and listening sessions, the microRendu could be the solution. I've never had better sounding audio in my room with any other device or server or streamer. Period. Much more on that later. Those who want the best must give the microRendu a spin.

     

     

     

    Hardware Details

     

     

    The microRendu's hardware was no small task to design. It took John Swenson over a year to get it right. This often meant getting new boards produced with the smallest of tweaks to eke out the final ounces of performance. In fact very close to the data of launch, Jesus decided to throw away all the newly delivered boards because of a single design change. This change could have been made to the existing boards after the fact, but this team is all about perfection. So, out went the "production" boards and a new order was placed.

     

    At a high level, the microRendu consists of a tiny processor module (System On Module) that's directly connected to a carrier board. The processor module contains an i.MX6 chip with a dual core processor and RAM. The processor module is attached to the carrier board via two 80 pin headers. It's this carrier board combined with custom software that separates the men from the boys and turns the microRendu into a true audiophile class component.

     

    The carrier board contains the regulators, oscillators, USB port, and Ethernet port. Let's start with the Ethernet input and work our way to the USB output. The microRendu contains a 10/100/1000 Gbps Ethernet interface. This interface is limited to 470 Mbps due to the internal i.MX6 bus. Audiophile needn't worry about this "limitation" because 470 Mbps is still hundreds of Mbps more than is required for even the highest resolution audio files. The microRendu features signal conditioning, signal isolation, and EMI suppression on this Ethernet input in part by using a radical power network with multiple regulators between the power to the Ethernet PHY and the power to the USB subsystem. These regulators have a very high power supply rejection ration or PSSR. The PSSR is used to describe the amount of noise that can be rejected from a source of power. Readers familiar with commercial motherboards built to hit the lowest price point will understand this is a huge difference because those cheap boards don't contain much isolation between the power to the Ethernet PHY and USB subsystem. This extensive design may be responsible for some of the network immunity or lack of sensitivity I've found with the microRendu. No matter what I do prior to the Ethernet input of the unit, the sound remains the same. Even using CAT7 shielded cables that break the inherent galvanic isolation of Ethernet by using connected shields on both ends.

     

    The carrier board features a very low jitter oscillator that feeds the hub chip, PLL, and clock network that has anything to do with the USB subsystem. The other on-chip oscillator is used to drive the processor and memory. This is where the software customization comes into play. The design team was able to shut off the processor module's internal oscillator circuit and externally clock the chip from the much better oscillators on the carrier board. Just like externally clocking a DAC, Sonore changed the reference clock of the PLLs to point to the external clock that's fed with the low jitter main clock.

     

    The microRendu has extremely low ground noise due in part to its design and linear regulators, but also because everything not used for audio purposes has been eliminated or completely shut off. There are many noisy processor circuits not simply unused, but totally shut off.

     

    The USB output of the microRendu is equally as special as anything else contained on the carrier board. Most, if not all, commercial motherboards contain extremely noisy DC to DC converters and switch mode regulators. Thus, even though an expensive linear power supply may be used on the outside, the power signal is going through a gauntlet of garbage once it hits the motherboard on its way to the USB output that feeds power to the USB DAC. It's like running a linear supply though a terrible switching supply in order to feed one's DAC. This isn't the case with the microRendu. The incoming power goes through a linear regulator on its way out the USB port and on to the USB DAC. This ultra clean path completely avoids switching regulators.

     

    In addition the design of the microRendu's USB architecture generates a completely new USB data signal and is highly optimized for signal integrity and impedance matching. To quote John Swenson, designer of both the microRendu and USB REGEN, "The microRendu does contain a circuit which is essentially an improved REGEN. There is no need to add an external REGEN between it and a DAC."

     

    The microRendu requires between 6 and 9 volts of power. During its approximately twenty-five second boot time it peaks at about 0.4A and during regular playback settles in at about 0.2A. Using the forthcoming Sonore 7V power supply provided for this review by Sonore, the microRendu uses 1.4 watts during playback.

     

    One of the beauties of the microRendu's design is its' separate power supply domains. The individual supply domains receive the appropriate regulation scheme for their functions. The processor domain uses a high quality switching regulator since it requires low voltage at high current.

     

    The PLLs that generate clock signals for many different systems use a single ultra low noise regulator, while the USB subsystem uses three ultra low noise regulators.

     

    One additional note about the hardware design. One of the first items I noticed upon receiving my unit was the SD card. This card is required, as it's loaded with the operating system. I figured that storing the OS on FLASH (eMMC embedded MultiMedia Card) or NVRAM would have been a better option. It's a good thing I didn't attempt to design the microRendu because my figuring was a bit off. According to John Swenson, "The i.MX6 has three memory subsystems, the DDR3, which we need to use for the main memory of the system, a very small simple, low power SD card subsystem, and the generic everything else memory subsystem. The later is what you use for NVRAM, flash chips etc. It is a large complex system designed to run very fast. This uses a lot of power and generates a lot of noise in the chip. "

     

    The SD card controller is slow, low power and generates very little noise, and on top of that has its own power supply pins on the chip which cuts down even more on the noise it generates. So by using the SD card rather than something like NVRAM I can drastically cut down on the noise in the chip. There are also things like SSDs, but they all need some form of high power bus to talk to (SATA, PCIE etc), which would mean I would have to turn on those subsystems.

     

    On the reliability front, I have actually found that using on board FLASH or NVRAM is actually less reliable. I have worked with several embedded boards over the last few years that have had flash chips, that have had problems far more often than ones that run straight off an SD card. I think it has to do with where the controller is. With SD card the flash controller is built into the card, the software doesn't have to know anything about that. The inexpensive flash chips used with these systems do not have a built in controller, they require the OS to deal with the issues specific to flash memory. Linux has some good code for this, but if something happens with the kernel during runtime, it is very easy for the flash to get corrupted. I had one board that if power went out during boot the flash was guaranteed to be corrupted."

     

    The SD card simply clicks into the microRendu and sits there without requiring any user intervention. If the OS is somehow corrupted or there's a problem with the unit, a new SD card can be placed into the slot very easily. I like this option much better than sending the unit back to Sonore to get re-flashed if onboard solid state storage was used.

     

     

     

     

    Part 1 Wrap-up

     

    This is it for part one of the Sonore microRendu review. I hope readers have an understanding of how the product came to be, who designed and brought the product to market, what the product is, how it works, and some of the main hardware design elements. Of course there are some proprietary features that Sonore won't tell me about and some that I can't tell you about, but that's to be expected with a bold new product like the microRendu.

     

    In part two of this review I'll dig deeper into the Sonicorbiter operating system, selectable audio output modes, and compare the microRendu to the Sonicorbiter SE, and discuss the external power supply options. I'll conclude the review with my assessment of how my audio system sounds with the microRendu connected to different D to A and D to D converters. Before heading off to the Super Bowl of audio shows that is Munich High End, I'll leave readers with this listening impression - I've spent hours on end listening to music since I took delivery of the microRendu. I wanted to make sure I wasn't burned by expectation bias, so I compared it to many other sources and methods of audio playback (both blind and sighted). After all this, I can unequivocally say that with the microRendu in place, my audio system has never sounded better than right now.

     

     

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    Product Information:

     

     

     

    • Products - Sonore microRendu
    • Price - $640
    • Product Pages - Link
    • User Manual - Link
    • FAQ - Link
    • Purchase - Link

     

     

     

     

     

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    Admittedly, my admonition was heavy handed and out of place. Sorry.

     

    It does rub me the wrong way to see productive threads sidetracked/hijacked by those not genuinely interested or involved in the subject/object under discussion.

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    Hi skikirkwood - One last thing after reading about your disdain for high end publications and including Computer Audiophile in your list of publications (slightly implying CA is like the rest of them).

     

    We've been talking about using Raspberry Pi and Beaglebone Back's for years. Here are a couple articles that didn't please any advertisers -

     

    Computer Audiophile - Geek Speak: Raspberry Pi HiFi Is Here

     

    Computer Audiophile - Geek Speak: How To Build A UPnP / DLNA / OpenHome Renderer For Less Than $100

     

     

    In addition we actually educate around here as well -

     

    Computer Audiophile - CA Academy

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    Well, let's keep on beating that dead horse. First of all, I didn't choose a DIY solution to save a few bucks. I had a Squeezebox Touch and after several years was curious as to what might provide a better streaming component for my stereo. So investing $50 was a low cost and low risk experiment to see what could be done as a possible replacement. I'm not naturally a DIY kind of guy - but the risk/reward ratio here seemed worthwhile to try it.

     

    A friend of mine replaced his HRT MusicStreamer II+ with a $6500 Playback Designs MPD-3, and let me have the HRT DAC on permanent loan. Comparing the sound of the Squeezebox (with its built-in DAC) to the Raspberry Pi B+ and MusicStreamer, I heard a significantly better sound on my Bryston/B&W system. As part of that experiment, I tried out various Linux distros and found them hard to work with and configure for audio - until I stumbled upon Volumio. It's a highly tuned Linux distro designed for a headless SBC acting as an audio streamer.

     

    Then I started reading about the advantages of I2S DAC's, and thought for $45 it would be fun to try one and compare the sound to the HRT DAC, so I bought an IQAudio Pi-DAC+. IQAudio is as far as I can tell a one man company from Glasgow who recently moved to England. I like supporting small companies with innovative products, and everything I read about his DAC indicated it was pretty remarkable. When I received the DAC it took 5 minutes to add it on top of the Pi, power it up, and use Volumio's Web-based UI to choose it as the audio output device, as well as enable the hardware volume control it supports. The sound was stunning. No soldering involved, which is good, since I've never soldered anything in my life.

     

    I was blown away how good this little DAC sounded. And I've had my friend's Playback Designs DAC in my music room. Perhaps the MPD-3 had a bit better soundstage and depth, but not a very big difference. And that's before I discovered I could change the default digital interpolation filter on the DAC to one which I thought sounded even better.

     

    After that I forked up another $15 and bought a case for the Pi/DAC combo - that was the hardest part of the whole DIY effort - taping the corners of the case components before screwing them in.

     

    Since then I bought another Pi, the 3, and another IQAudio DAC, along with a bunch of microSD cards, having tried out Moode and Rune Audio distributions. I'm currently running Volumio on one, and piCorePlayer on the other. I then added the open source Spotify Connect module to Volumio, so even though Volumio supports Spotify now I can use the Pi as a Spotify Connect device, which is a big improvement.

     

    None of this was to "save money". It was due to my curiosity, and I think it's a lot of fun to play around with the various "audiophile" linux distros.

     

    I'm also not saying the solutions I stumbled upon are "superior" to commercial solutions such as the microRendu. Different people have different requirements and weights as to what provides the superior solution to them. I am, however, questioning whether the "purpose built" approach that is being advocated by Sonore provides any better audio quality. I don't believe it does. Apparently the engineers at Bryston agree with me, with their approach of using the Raspberry Pi 2 and HiFiBerry Digi+ board as the core of their new BD-Pi.

     

    I am also questioning the longer term approach of packaging a bunch of open source modules with a proprietary hardware product like this and how future-proof it will be. Actually, I'm questioning how usable is the current software packaged with the Sonore unit compared to integrated Linux distros such as Volumio and Moode. Yes, Squeezelite is one option for the microRendu, but the piCorePlayer platform incorporates the latest releases of Squeezelite with other options and software (e.g. Shairplay), providing what I am guessing (since I haven't used the Sonore software) is a more integrated, functionally complete and easy to use interface. Third party apps that control the Linux MPD player (an option for the microRendu) are pretty weak, whereas Volumio, Moode and Rune offer highly usable UI's that run in standard web browsers but with CSS tuned to smart phones and tablets above and beyond PC's.

     

    And regarding Doak's comment that I'm not welcome here, this is, after all, a comment thread on a review of the microRendu. So in any critical review, and the comment thread to follow, I believe the basic design approach and "benefits" of the product should be questioned and debated. I also believe alternatives should be compared. Hence, my motivation for my original posting.

     

    Now, to end here by adding more fuel to the fire, after reading up on digital audio over the last year I decided to post my first article on Medium about what I found. Here it is:

     

    https://medium.com/@skikirkwood/truth-lies-and-fraud-in-the-audiophile-world-a365e56c97c4#.nhblwvrgi

     

    And I followed that with a post on how I evolved from an early CD player to my current gear:

     

    https://medium.com/@skikirkwood/how-to-play-2000-cds-without-a-cd-player-d6f231057971#.xikszxv5l

     

    I'm sure the above two Medium postings will provide a bunch of you with a lot more ammo for snarky comments. Bring it on.

     

    Thanks. That's a well written post with a well thought out process described.

     

    Part of the reaction to what you originally wrote is because we (I) unfairly lumped you with DIYers who say about every product, "I can do it better for 1/10 of the price". The truth is that in the vast majority of cases they can't; and in the cases where the DIY route does result in something with equal sound quality, it may be: a)only so on their setup, and not on someone else's; b)inconvenient to use for others when the commercial product isn't; c)missing some feature the builder doesn't care about but others do; d) ugly - and yes some of us care about how things look and are willing to pay for better looking products; e) without true product support, not just Google searches and forum support.

     

    I personally have used linux products that were way too fiddly for me. I can go in and do command line stuff to get things to work, update, etc. - but I don't want to - ever. I just want to play my music. So I don't want to DIY, even if I pay for the privilege not to.

     

    It may be that the microRendu and other products like it don't sound better than a "one PC" solution or a "two PC solution" like you came up with. But when I do comparisons in either of those scenarios, the mR sounds better to me than my alternatives. If I'm fooling myself or enjoying euphonious added distortion, so be it.

     

    As far as software, I don't exactly get your point. Are you trying to say there's risk involved b/c the support for the unit might disappear? That's certainly possible, but it's true of just about all hifi devices including those from big companies. My previous player is from SOtM, and it's now no longer being given support. For me, the mR has built in the ability to use all the software packages I'm interested in - now and in the foreseeable future. It also has support from people who give proper support of their products.

     

    I read your blog posts and disagree with some of what you wrote. Your bit about Nyquist and why hi-res is irrelevant shows an incomplete understanding of the theory - because the theory makes several assumptions (has conditions for it to work) that don't exist in almost every Redbook recording. And thinking hi-res is a worthwhile medium isn't about humans being able to hear frequencies above 20k. I also don't accept Waldrep's definition of high res. That can all be discussed elsewhere in more detail.

    As far as audio publications and expensive products: a) they don't always say the more expensive stuff sounds better, but instead of dissing an expensive piece, they will say that a less expensive product sounds as good or better than many more expensive pieces, or that it sounds very close to the much more expensive piece, and may be a better value for some readers. That kind of stuff is pretty common, and is one of the things I look for in reviews. b)my understanding is also that for most reviewers and publications - if they truly think the product is subpar they simply don't publish the review and return the piece. You may not approve of that approach, I get it. But that's why you only see positive reviews.

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    Nothing is future-proof.

     

    You're making comments about software you've never seen and it's showing. microRendu has Shairplay.

     

    Yes, I am making comments about software I haven't seen, but have read the description from Sonore's site. And in that description, it appears that the only software contribution Sonore has made here is the "Audio App Switcher", that lets you choose between 5 different output modes. And it appears these modes are exclusive of each other - you can only choose one at a time. Meaning that I have to choose say between SqueezeLite Output mode and ShairPort Output mode. You've used this software Chris, so am I correct?

     

    If I am, then yes, I'm saying this approach of having to choose between one of a number of exclusive modes is vastly inferior in terms of user experience to any of the integrated audiophile tuned Linux distros, with Volumio being my favorite, but Moode looking increasingly interesting, and piCorePlayer being a good choice for those migrating from the Squeezebox Touch. That's the whole point behind these efforts and the hard work of the hackers evolving these systems is to add a layer of integration on top of the low level single purpose open source packages.

     

    So this point is not about commercial vs. DIY, it's not about cost, it's about user experience. Since I don't have access to a microRendu, I would be interested in hearing from someone who does, and also has experience with Volumio/Rune/Moode, to compare the end user experience of operating the unit. As someone who closely follows both Volumio and piCorePlayer, I believe the effort of adding value and integration on top of the individual packages such as SqueezeLite and ShairPort provide you with a much more enjoyable experience of accessing your music - for those who don't want to make the investment in Roon that is.

     

    Regarding the future-proof comment, yes, nothing is future-proof, but some things are more than others. Take the apps within smart TV's. If you bought a LG TV a few years ago, by now the majority of the apps in that TV no longer work. If you buy a Roku or other streaming device and hook it up to your TV, you are going to almost always have the most up to date apps, as well as the largest selection of them. That's because the TV manufacturers are hardware companies, and want you to upgrade to a new TV versus putting the effort into retrofitting their older hardware models with the latest software. Yes, Roku is a hardware manufacturer too, but compared to virtually all TV manufacturers they've ensured their older models will support the newest versions of apps on their platform.

     

    So when i look at offerings such as what Sonore is providing here - a hardware company providing a software solution of separate open source packages with no value added or integration - I wonder a year or two how many of the latest versions of those packages will be available and supported on the microRendu. That's a very valid question to ask, as I've been personally burned by buying expensive hardware units such as Tivo devices, only to be forced to purchase a newer model to have access to software features that certainly could have been added to my older device. But that wouldn't provide motivation for a hardware upgrade, the core of Tivo's (or any consumer hardware) business model.

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    Hi skikirkwood - One last thing after reading about your disdain for high end publications and including Computer Audiophile in your list of publications (slightly implying CA is like the rest of them).

     

    We've been talking about using Raspberry Pi and Beaglebone Back's for years. Here are a couple articles that didn't please any advertisers -

     

    Computer Audiophile - Geek Speak: Raspberry Pi HiFi Is Here

     

    Computer Audiophile - Geek Speak: How To Build A UPnP / DLNA / OpenHome Renderer For Less Than $100

     

     

    In addition we actually educate around here as well -

     

    Computer Audiophile - CA Academy

     

    Hi Chris, I should have been clearer in my Medium posting when saying "most" of these publications. I like Inner Fidelity, trust Audioholics, and would not place this blog in the commercial category of AudioStream/Stereophile/TAS/ etc. That's why I decided to do a post here and see what happened. :)

     

    My audiophile friend and former college roommate alerted me to your initial Beaglebone Black article knowing I was fooling around with Rpi's and that's when I started reading your blog.

     

    That said, as I mentioned in my post, I do believe AudioStream/TAS and others are not much more than an advertising vehicle for the high end audio industry, and purposely mislead their readers with FUD to prop up the the demand for $1000 ethernet cables.

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    Yes, I am making comments about software I haven't seen, but have read the description from Sonore's site. And in that description, it appears that the only software contribution Sonore has made here is the "Audio App Switcher", that lets you choose between 5 different output modes. And it appears these modes are exclusive of each other - you can only choose one at a time. Meaning that I have to choose say between SqueezeLite Output mode and ShairPort Output mode. You've used this software Chris, so am I correct?

     

    If I am, then yes, I'm saying this approach of having to choose between one of a number of exclusive modes is vastly inferior in terms of user experience to any of the integrated audiophile tuned Linux distros, with Volumio being my favorite, but Moode looking increasingly interesting, and piCorePlayer being a good choice for those migrating from the Squeezebox Touch. That's the whole point behind these efforts and the hard work of the hackers evolving these systems is to add a layer of integration on top of the low level single purpose open source packages.

     

    So this point is not about commercial vs. DIY, it's not about cost, it's about user experience. Since I don't have access to a microRendu, I would be interested in hearing from someone who does, and also has experience with Volumio/Rune/Moode, to compare the end user experience of operating the unit. As someone who closely follows both Volumio and piCorePlayer, I believe the effort of adding value and integration on top of the individual packages such as SqueezeLite and ShairPort provide you with a much more enjoyable experience of accessing your music - for those who don't want to make the investment in Roon that is.

     

    Regarding the future-proof comment, yes, nothing is future-proof, but some things are more than others. Take the apps within smart TV's. If you bought a LG TV a few years ago, by now the majority of the apps in that TV no longer work. If you buy a Roku or other streaming device and hook it up to your TV, you are going to almost always have the most up to date apps, as well as the largest selection of them. That's because the TV manufacturers are hardware companies, and want you to upgrade to a new TV versus putting the effort into retrofitting their older hardware models with the latest software. Yes, Roku is a hardware manufacturer too, but compared to virtually all TV manufacturers they've ensured their older models will support the newest versions of apps on their platform.

     

    So when i look at offerings such as what Sonore is providing here - a hardware company providing a software solution of separate open source packages with no value added or integration - I wonder a year or two how many of the latest versions of those packages will be available and supported on the microRendu. That's a very valid question to ask, as I've been personally burned by buying expensive hardware units such as Tivo devices, only to be forced to purchase a newer model to have access to software features that certainly could have been added to my older device. But that wouldn't provide motivation for a hardware upgrade, the core of Tivo's (or any consumer hardware) business model.

    It's not my place to defend Sonore, so I won't. but you've got much of this wrong. I have a feeling your bent against HiFi, as evidenced by your Medium posts, has clouded your judgement.

     

    Sonore and Small Green Computer have made so many behind the scenes software contributions that most people will never realize. I get it you overlooked my comments about this in the first part of this review, but it's true.

     

    The customer for this device wants exclusive mode only. The rest of your suggestions that an approach is better or worse is purely based on your use of the product and your understanding of a different market.

     

    I still don't get your idea about no support and using the TV industry as an example. It's not relevant here. Please be specific with this product in your examples.

     

    Sonore is the hardware company and Small Green Computer is the software company.

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    Part of the reaction to what you originally wrote is because we (I) unfairly lumped you with DIYers who say about every product, "I can do it better for 1/10 of the price". The truth is that in the vast majority of cases they can't; and in the cases where the DIY route does result in something with equal sound quality, it may be: a)only so on their setup, and not on someone else's; b)inconvenient to use for others when the commercial product isn't; c)missing some feature the builder doesn't care about but others do; d) ugly - and yes some of us care about how things look and are willing to pay for better looking products; e) without true product support, not just Google searches and forum support.

     

    While I may be calling my current setup DIY, it is of course based upon two commercial hardware products - the Raspberry Pi, and the IQAudio DAC. What's lacking is a systems integrator that sells and supports the combination, combined with one or more of the audiophile Linux distros, but I think that is coming soon.

     

    In terms of point d), yeah I love the look of my B&W speakers with grills removed, never get tired of staring at my Bryston electronics, and actually think the smoked acrylic case from IQAudio looks pretty damned cool - with the LED's shining through at night.

     

    Instead of buying a second IQAudio DAC I was going to purchase an Audiophonics I-Sabre DAC ES9023, which some have said has a slightly better sound than the TI PCM-5122 DAC chip used in the IQAudio. But then I saw IQAudio was developing an aluminum case with an OLED display, and my newest Pi is without a case waiting for this new bad boy!

     

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    I was going to purchase an Audiophonics I-Sabre DAC ES9023, which some have said has a slightly better sound than the TI PCM-5122 DAC chip used in the IQAudio.

    Measurements, or the difference doesn't exist. Only kidding. I couldn't resist. :~)

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    The customer for this device wants exclusive mode only. The rest of your suggestions that an approach is better or worse is purely based on your use of the product and your understanding of a different market.

     

    I disagree. If the customer wants to use it as a Roon endpoint yes. But many people will want to use SqueezeLite output or MPD output in conjunction with the ShairPort Airplay emulator. You're listening to your music collection on a network share streaming to the microRendu running MPD and may want to fire up a Tidal or Spotify app on your smartphone or tablet and beam it to the Airport emulator. That should be seamless, which it is with Volumio/Rune/Moode, but it sounds like with the microRendu I have to invoke the Audio App Switcher and change output modes. Not having seen this I don't know how it works, but it certainly doesn't sound seamless as it is with these audiophile distros whose primary purpose is to provide an integrated experience of using several packages without changing "output modes". Another example is adding tracks to a playlist, where those tracks can come from your network share, Spotify, Tidal, etc. Sounds like I can't do that in MPD Output mode on the Sonore.

     

    The customers of Volumio/Rune/Moode are by and large audiophiles who use these distributions because they provide a better end user experience than any one open source module in exclusive mode. I believe they are exactly the same market Sonore is targeting with the microRendu.

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    I disagree. If the customer wants to use it as a Roon endpoint yes. But many people will want to use SqueezeLite output or MPD output in conjunction with the ShairPort Airplay emulator. You're listening to your music collection on a network share streaming to the microRendu running MPD and may want to fire up a Tidal or Spotify app on your smartphone or tablet and beam it to the Airport emulator. That should be seamless, which it is with Volumio/Rune/Moode, but it sounds like with the microRendu I have to invoke the Audio App Switcher and change output modes. Not having seen this I don't know how it works, but it certainly doesn't sound seamless as it is with these audiophile distros whose primary purpose is to provide an integrated experience of using several packages without changing "output modes". Another example is adding tracks to a playlist, where those tracks can come from your network share, Spotify, Tidal, etc. Sounds like I can't do that in MPD Output mode on the Sonore.

     

    The customers of Volumio/Rune/Moode are by and large audiophiles who use these distributions because they provide a better end user experience than any one open source module in exclusive mode. I believe they are exactly the same market Sonore is targeting with the microRendu.

    Based on my experience reading hundreds of thousands of posts, running CA since 2007, talking to hundreds of audiophiles all over the world, I will respectfully disagree with you.

     

    Not many people even use AirPlay anymore. I think the market for your seamless AirPlay / MPD integration is a tiny but very vocal minority.

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    from skikirkwood:

     

    "I'm also not saying the solutions I stumbled upon are "superior" to commercial solutions such as the microRendu. Different people have different requirements and weights as to what provides the superior solution to them. I am, however, questioning whether the "purpose built" approach that is being advocated by Sonore provides any better audio quality. I don't believe it does. Apparently the engineers at Bryston agree with me, with their approach of using the Raspberry Pi 2 and HiFiBerry Digi+ board as the core of their new BD-Pi."

     

    And there is the rub, and why folks are upset with you. You post pure speculation: "I don't believe it does", without any experience. Those of us that do have the experience which you lack, have found that purpose built solutions do offer tangible, significant improvements in sound quality. Until you actually have the experience, perhaps it would be best if you keep your unfounded opinions to yourself.

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    Measurements, or the difference doesn't exist. Only kidding. I couldn't resist. :~)

     

    When the Raspberry Pi 4 comes out, I will purchase one along with the latest Audiophonics Sabre ESS DAC and report my findings.

     

    By the way, Audiophonics already sells a pretty cool network player based around a Raspberry Pi 2, DAC Sabre V3 chip and a custom case with an OLED display. And runs Volumio, Moode and piCorePlayer too! Too bad they don't have a U.S. distributor.

     

    AUDIOPHONICS RaspDAC Network player Raspberry Pi 2.0 & DAC Sabre V3 - Audiophonics

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    Extinction: a procedure used in Applied Behavioral Analysis (ABA) in which reinforcement that is provided for problem behavior (often unintentionally) is discontinued in order to decrease or eliminate occurrences of these types of negative (or problem) behaviors.

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    I disagree. If the customer wants to use it as a Roon endpoint yes. But many people will want to use SqueezeLite output or MPD output in conjunction with the ShairPort Airplay emulator. You're listening to your music collection on a network share streaming to the microRendu running MPD and may want to fire up a Tidal or Spotify app on your smartphone or tablet and beam it to the Airport emulator. That should be seamless, which it is with Volumio/Rune/Moode, but it sounds like with the microRendu I have to invoke the Audio App Switcher and change output modes. Not having seen this I don't know how it works, but it certainly doesn't sound seamless as it is with these audiophile distros whose primary purpose is to provide an integrated experience of using several packages without changing "output modes". Another example is adding tracks to a playlist, where those tracks can come from your network share, Spotify, Tidal, etc. Sounds like I can't do that in MPD Output mode on the Sonore.

     

    The customers of Volumio/Rune/Moode are by and large audiophiles who use these distributions because they provide a better end user experience than any one open source module in exclusive mode. I believe they are exactly the same market Sonore is targeting with the microRendu.

     

    Think you're quite wrong here. The customers for Sonic Orbiter OS basically want plug and play ethernet to USB solution in a "2PC" setup b/c they think that gives them the best SQ, in principle. Based on several years of experience, and interaction with other users of the OS, I'm pretty sure most of us have one mode we use almost all the time. On this forum there are a lot of people who've bought it as a Roon endpoint or as an HQP endpoint - or who like it specifically as an HQP NAA with Roon as the interface to the NAA.

     

    As Chris indicated, using it in one mode at a time is exactly what we are looking for. I can run it in 4 of the 5 modes in my setup, but I'm not interested. Before I bought Roon and HQP I used it exclusively in MPD/DLNA mode with JRiver, now I use it exclusively in NAA mode. One of the reasons I bought it is exactly the software package. I knew it would "just work" from the moment I plugged it in my setup. I'm not really interested in any other UI besides Roon or barring Roon, JRiver/JRemote at this point. I've tried lots of them and those are the only two that truly fit the way I like to listen and the interact with my library.

     

    I suspect (and I'm not trying to be snarky) that many of the audiophile users of Volumio/Rune/Moode use them not only because they like them, but because they are free. That's fine. Some of us are willing to pay $50 or $100 or more for what we consider a superior user experience. To each his/her own. Are you positive the users of free software would still be using them if some of the commercial software packages were somehow free?

     

    And again, you haven't used the software so you don't get quite how it works. In MPD/DLNA mode it can be used with a program like JRiver and some other software so you can do just about anything with a playlist or anything else you can think of to do in an audio interface. One of the things you aren't quite getting is that a lot of the members here use one of the widely available commercial playback software packages like JRiver, Roon, HQP, Audirvana, etc. I'm pretty sure that's a majority of the users, or at least of the posters.

     

    "We" use them b/c we think they provide some feature that open source software doesn't (nothing open source can do what HQP does), or because we prefer the GUI they provide (JRiver/JRemote and Roon come to mind). Ditto for different software for Apple users. You may think the open source software provides a better user experience, many of us would respectfully and forcefully disagree.

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    And there is the rub, and why folks are upset with you. You post pure speculation: "I don't believe it does", without any experience. Those of us that do have the experience which you lack, have found that purpose built solutions do offer tangible, significant improvements in sound quality. Until you actually have the experience, perhaps it would be best if you keep your unfounded opinions to yourself.

     

    @barrows

     

    +10^1000

     

    I'm fascinated by the human psychology that audio arouses in people. You never see/hear this kind of diatribe against expensive cars, meals, toast (in San Fran, of course), etc.

     

    But oh, those ones and zeros, they can't possibly be anything other than ones and zeros...

     

    Well, thank God others hear it too because they build great gear that sounds great to me. SOUNDS great! That's what it's for, remember? I can't speak for others, but I suspect most of us here buy stuff that sounds great, not because it has blinky lights or has an unobtainium faceplate. (Sigh.)

     

    Chris, we happily await part two of your review. Thank you.

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    Hi Chris, I should have been clearer in my Medium posting when saying "most" of these publications. I like Inner Fidelity, trust Audioholics, and would not place this blog in the commercial category of AudioStream/Stereophile/TAS/ etc. That's why I decided to do a post here and see what happened. :)

    Glad to see you clearing the air. After all, if you are here in CA writing such lengthy post I think that your motivation is not only to share your view of things but also to learn something more...

     

    That said, as I mentioned in my post, I do believe AudioStream/TAS and others are not much more than an advertising vehicle for the high end audio industry, and purposely mislead their readers with FUD to prop up the the demand for $1000 ethernet cables.

     

    I certainly relate to your general skepticism.

    Just note this. If you have not heard a component, you cannot have an opinion about that component...

     

    Even if you heard in your system, the same component will behave differently in another system.

    In my system a cable made no difference. In another system, with far mode superior resolution, it made clear

    Do I remain skeptical about cables...I would say in my system, yes...

     

    Be open to relativism.

     

    Cheers.

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    How is the inevitable crunch in bandwidth because of the combined Ethernet/USB controller in the Raspi no different than Auralic, a PC, Mac Mini, especially for high-rate DSD?

     

    The Raspberry Pi 3's wireless LAN does not share the USB bus, so its perfectly alright to use USB/ethernet to connect to an external HDD or NAS and use WiFi for streaming.

     

    I'm not into DSD, but how much b/w will it need? The Pi 3 gives 100 Mbps, and 4K video needs 25 Mbps, which I know for sure cause I've streamed 4K content via Netflix.

     

    Obviously open to correction here (from folks who are streaming DSD).

     

    It never will sound the same as a motherboard, a set of components, interfaces and power distribution designed from the ground up to do one thing and one thing really well: computer for the best SQ.

     

    This device is not in the same league as a general-purpose SBC at all. One is a Lamborghini Countach, the other is a Lada. Both can make you travel from point A to B faster than by foot and you can sure work on a Lada to improve it...

     

    I'm the first one to admit that the Pi sucks for both USB and HDMI, though I've seen the Pi USB plugged into a Regen and also direct to DACs like 2Qute. Myself though wouldn't use the Pi via USB, at least not unless I'm using something like USB Regen.

     

    However, none of the interconnects and ports matter in the case of wireless streaming. I've personally heard the Aries Mini and the Pi in DLNA mode and I could not hear anything different or even pick between the two. Via USB, yes sure the Aries will walk all over the Pi. Like you put it, it's designed to do computer audio well.

     

    My point - In my instance, using 100% DLNA, I cannot hear anything different from a $35 Pi, $800 NAS, $400 Aries Mini, or my $2500 gaming PC.

     

    PS: FWIW, even Auralic tells you that wireless may sound better than wired and no I'm not getting into which is better.

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    I suspect (and I'm not trying to be snarky) that many of the audiophile users of Volumio/Rune/Moode use them not only because they like them, but because they are free. That's fine. Some of us are willing to pay $50 or $100 or more for what we consider a superior user experience. To each his/her own. Are you positive the users of free software would still be using them if some of the commercial software packages were somehow free?

     

    Coming from JRiver and JPlay with a 2 PC setup I can certainly say hell yeah baby. Moode is excellent and MinimServer is the shiznit.

     

    Bug Head Emperor is the best ever (again free), seriously its the best ever if you have the PC for it. I know folks with seriously high end systems using it. Though I have the PC for it, its still too much work for me, and I don't look for the analog/vinyl sound.

     

    MinimServer is the shiznit as far as I'm concerned and I've already been corrected by @Cebolla that its not a media player and should not be called one.

     

    PS: Even back in the day (and I really mean back in the day), cPlay (free) walked all over JRiver in SQ. Of course freeware is not always supported or updated, developers lose interest, and may even become paid, but just because something costs $50 or $100 does not make it the best either.

     

    Superior user experience, yes certainly. All the freeware I've mentioned look ugly and need a couple of hours to even figure out, and then again most folks will never get it. Even to this day I do not understand or even know what all the filters and options do in BHE, but it sure walks over everything in terms of SQ.

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    Can you please move these off topic discussions to a new thread.

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    The Raspberry Pi 3's wireless LAN does not share the USB bus, so its perfectly alright to use USB/ethernet to connect to an external HDD or NAS and use WiFi for streaming.

     

    Wireless is usually unbelievably noisy...

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    I suspect (and I'm not trying to be snarky) that many of the audiophile users of Volumio/Rune/Moode use them not only because they like them, but because they are free. That's fine. Some of us are willing to pay $50 or $100 or more for what we consider a superior user experience. To each his/her own. Are you positive the users of free software would still be using them if some of the commercial software packages were somehow free?

     

    And again, you haven't used the software so you don't get quite how it works. In MPD/DLNA mode it can be used with a program like JRiver and some other software so you can do just about anything with a playlist or anything else you can think of to do in an audio interface. One of the things you aren't quite getting is that a lot of the members here use one of the widely available commercial playback software packages like JRiver, Roon, HQP, Audirvana, etc. I'm pretty sure that's a majority of the users, or at least of the posters.

     

    After reading your comment I downloaded a trial of Jriver on my Mac, but it hung twice and I gave up. I understand it's by and large a Windows product with a follow-on OS X port, but it looks like they have more work to do for the Mac. I tried Roon a while ago but had 4 issues with it.

     

     

    1. The iPad app wasn't supported on my iPad 2
    2. No Spotify support
    3. A bug that raised the volume of my home office KEF X300 A speakers to 100% (still recovering from that)
    4. The price

     

    I realize most people here are Tidal users and that's fine - I find the user experience of Spotify a big step up from Tidal and have 5 different devices in my house that support Spotify Connect.

     

    So for me Roon and Jriver don't work. But I also utilize a lot of music sources beyond my own library and Spotify. I have a premium subscription to DI.fm, I like the SomaFM Internet streaming stations, there's great exclusive content on SoundCloud, occasionally use Pandora, TuneIn, Noon Pacific, live concerts on YouTube etc. LMS support some of these but not all, which is why it's great to have Airplay support easily accessible without going into a browser interface to change output modes of a renderer.

     

    I can't speak for others in the Volumio/Moode/Rune/piCorePlayer community, but I don't think it's about the fact that they are free. I think it's more of a movement, and people like being part of it. Many of us have made financial contributions to these efforts with amounts equal to or above the cost of the commercial software packages you list. Could be an age thing here too, not sure what the median age of people on this forum are, but I'm guessing there's a younger crowd attracted to the SBC and audiophile Linux distro ecosystem.

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    Wireless is usually unbelievably noisy...

     

    Please elaborate.

     

    I run my music i.e. NAS and all endpoints on a separate network switch and wireless network.

     

    But being audiophiles, what would we be if not for endless tweaking and getting the best SQ.

     

    I cannot hear any noise with wireless, in fact the noise floor has come down a lot since going wireless, even measurably so, but I'm always open to further tweaking and improving.

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    Hi Guys - I know these are interesting topics, but that's what the entire forum is for. Please discuss non-microRendu related topics in another thread or risk having your comments deleted.

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    I was going to do a fairly long post about how awesome the microRendu/sonicTransporter combo is (which it indeed is) but why bother. This and many other CA threads have become polluted with side arguments and other typical troll behavior to the point where it bears no resemblance to the topic at hand. There seems to be a desire to argue for the sake of arguing and it makes it very difficult to extract any useful info. Who really wants to sift through hundreds of posts when most are long diatribes and many are off topic in pursuit of something about the product.

     

    Chris, Please get this under control. Other websites and forums are taking a much more aggressive posture and it has made them much more civil and useful.

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    I was going to do a fairly long post about how awesome the microRendu/sonicTransporter combo is (which it indeed is) but why bother. This and many other CA threads have become polluted with side arguments and other typical troll behavior to the point where it bears no resemblance to the topic at hand. There seems to be a desire to argue for the sake of arguing and it makes it very difficult to extract any useful info. Who really wants to sift through hundreds of posts when most are long diatribes and many are off topic in pursuit of something about the product.

     

    Chris, Please get this under control. Other websites and forums are taking a much more aggressive posture and it has made them much more civil and useful.

    So where is your long post?

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